[Standard] NUF FM 2 - GAME OVER (MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY)

[GonZ]

Hey @Tilgarial @cdecora does marl somehow remind you of joker13? Cuz i get that vibe somehow…

Some bg info: joker13 is a mafia player that has somehow managed to gain sus at practically every game he had played…

[Marluxion]

who

[Intensify]

Plot Twist: Marl is Joker13

[Marluxion]

[Tilgarial]

Well… i originally wanted to milk the situation for all it’s worth, and only post it near EOD/before hammer. S’why i wrote it early in the first place.

But with a change in situation, and the people that it might affect not necessarily involved, I guess i could post it early.
Lemme think some on that one though

[Marluxion]

Don’t mistake, i’m no one you know. You’d know if you knew me from somewhere else. Marluxion the town hero isn’t mistakable for anyone else!

[Tilgarial]

Somewhat, mainly because his title says joker.
But he hasn’t made a single meme yet, so it can’t be

[GonZ]

Maybe cuz of that…
But you seem oddly have similar reaction with the person i know. Albeit he’s way more nonsensical and easily pressured.

[Marluxion]

@Tilgarial

But he hasn’t made a single meme yet, so it can’t be

@Marluxion

Chop Chop Method

By following this Method, you get a way more accurate readslist and get scum almost all the time the longer you stay alive.

Playstyle PoV

Each player has a different (or similar to another) Playstyle.
The first thing to do is to know someone’s Playstyle before making a read on them as they can be naturally scummy or naturally Townie.
Now while a Playstyle is NAI (although to some that not so bright, can cause a read or two) you need to look at their Point of View. To determine how it can come from Town rather if it comes from Scum.

Look to see where their POV comes from.
Essentially put everyone as Town unless reason otherwise.

META

First off, if they have previous games you may want to look at them or if you already played with them enough then you may get the feel of how they play.

Contradiction

Now sometimes, people will stay stuff and then say something completely different or opposite. This is called a Contradiction.
Now while this isn’t entirely AI, in certain circumstances it can be if there is absolutely zero or close to zero reason they would do this from a Town PoV.

Agenda

Some scum have a certain agenda they want to push to get consistent ML’s or manipulation in others reads.
Now sometimes Town can also have Agenda’s as well.
So you got to figure out exactly how or why they would do it from a Town PoV.

Reaction

Sometimes Reaction is just straight out NAI.
However, in some cases a Reaction can be scum indicative and some can even be called a “Slip”.

So to push for some Reactions a good way to do it is to Pressure other players to see how they respond towards the Pressure.
Another, is try and question other people’s actions to see how they react towards the questioning and how they handle it.
Interacting is also a good way for Reactions as well but it’s usually not as effective as Pressuring or Questioning.

Votes, Reads and Kills Analysis

Votes

Remember it’s very important to where you place your vote. For scum they usually don’t leave their vote on a scum unless they intend to Bus.
Scum may vote each other throughout the day but them leaving it on each other at day end is an unlikely scenario.
When looking at someone you want to keep track where they placed their vote at the end of the day and keep track as to how many times they voted. (Who they voted each time is irrelevant, only the final voted player matters)

Reads

So when it comes to this, this has nothing to do with your reads but rather others reads.

First you want to take the number of amount of alive players and divide it by 4.
Then you want to take that number and try and get everyone to give their Top (that number) TR’s and their Top (that number SR’s) as it can come in handy later.

Kills

Most of the time people are killed for a certain reason rather if be accurate reads, obvious town or allowing scum to push agenda.
Now I suppose scum could randomly do the kill but it’s fairly unlikely for scum to do so.
There are also some, who just don’t make a certain kill as it would make no sense from their Scum PoV to do so.
Make sure to keep Track of each scum kill as well.

I also gotta Remember to see the dead townies reads killed or ML’ed.

Interaction Partners Removal

So sometimes there are just interactions players have that can just never be scum theatre. So keep track of those interactions as if 1 flips scum, you can clear the other.

Evaluation Swap

In the case of if you feel that your current readslist or PoE is incorrect, try and evaluate and swap at least 1 Read/Clear with another, potentially from the opposite side of the Readslist.

@Marluxion

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sus

[Intensify]

Joker13 = DybuDabu = SmoothBrainPepega = Trucklover?

FOL conspiracy theory

[Tilgarial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818929543162888222/818929685453864991/50y209.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818929543162888222/818929595406483506/50y1du.png

These are some of the ones he made about a newbie game i held a while back, that i kept for narcisstic reasons

[Tilgarial]

Hmm, that’s just linking it

Now?

[Tilgarial]

There we go

[GonZ]

Narcistic reasons… i see…
cough and hides my judgemental gaze
I mean, neat~

[Tilgarial]

does this count as a wallpost?

Okay, so, I ain’t gonna have propper quotes in this because I’m writing it off site. Imma add numbers and poster to quotes so they be somewhat good, aye?

So, here is the list i posted that said who I’d be okay with lynching/yeeting/executing for the day:

Marly, Wind, Gonz, EVO, Eli (post number 1619)

So, what makes this an actually useful venture is this post from Marly:

“If EVO is town, every single bolded person in this list is town” (PN 1706)

-he bolded everybody but gonz

The reason why this is interesting is this:

The reactions gotten from it.

I’m specifically thinking about the reactions from those on that list, but i guess you can also go back and check all reactions. I suspect mafia not being ready to deal with that, so they should be caught off balance, somewhat.

My main take is on the people in that list, however.

Because town would be more willing to yeet me if they consider everybody in that list town too.

Mafia, however, would be a bit more queasy about it - if you lynch somebody off based on the premise of you being town, and the person flips town, that’s gonna but at least some sus on you

Or at least so goes my thoughts on the matter.

So here goes the analysis of what happened so far:

Eli immediately:

“I don’t like their slot either” (PN 1707)

Due to the suddenness/speed of the entire thing, there wasn’t much thought behind this, so this is an honest opinion.

I’d say that puts it more likely as a town reaction - considering the main reason Eli was on my list in the first place was basically only their first few posts seeming more of a chaos starter than an attempt at helping, they weren’t particularly high on my sus list in the frst place, so this prolly moves them more towards null/town

EVO - “why did he switch off me to marl btw?” (PN 1712)

I’m not sure if this is an honest question, or indirectly throwing shade.

People are generally more happy about not being voted instead of questioning the why, in my experience.

Also, timing was interesting

So EVO stays where he is, in terms of sus.

(Main reason i didn’t answer in the original readthrough was that i totally missed it, but: i was originally more sus of marl. The entire controversy my head has on them was the literal only thing that prevented me from voting marl earlier than that - and as soon as i started reconsidering the placement of my vote, it was only a question of time, basically. Added to that the immediate convo surrounding that, with wind and somebody else i think, is why it happened so fast? Maybe?)

Next up, despite not being on the list is cloned:

He reacts confused, which honestly can go either way (PN 1718 /1733)

…aaaaand this is the point where i check the thread and see everything went on to another topic, so I’m unlikely to get more out of this.

@marluxion i even said I’m grateful so that if you’re town, you could’ve continued! Smh

Mebbe it’s just the different culture thing though. Can’t get the stuff others try indircetly telling ya if that stuff is different, i guess… but still.

[EliThePsycho]

can you like
quote them
thaaanks

[EliThePsycho]

do you know how to quote tho

[Marluxion]

@EliThePsycho

can you like
quote them
thaaanks

dont be lazy, you can jump to specific post numbers easily with the bar on the right side

[Tilgarial]

@Tilgarial

Not opposed to lynching:

Marly
EVO
GonZ
Wind
Eli

Opposed to lynching:
PKR
Eevee

Everybody that hasn’t been mentioned is a) somewhere in the middle or b) I haven’t remembered their existence/participation in this game yet

Initial post from me

@Marluxion

If evo is town every single bolded person in Til’s list is town

@EliThePsycho

i don’t like their slot either

@EVO

Why did he switch off me to marl btw?

@clonedcheese

…???
Someone needs to explain

@clonedcheese

Why is everything dependent on EVO’s alignment then
can it not be “I think these few are town, idk about EVO”

These should be the mentioned quotes?

[EliThePsycho]

i know