[Standard] NUF FM 2 - GAME OVER (MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY)

Ok thanks but why do you sound like you’re giving me directions to the nearest McDonald’s

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not gonna quote all the posts but i think this summarizes it

So a townslip?

PKR saw it as a scumslip
lol said he was hoping it was a townslip

i didnt quote my take on it but I knew what PKR meant when he said that

I don’t get what PKR refers to when he says lol made scumslip

well
my point is that I think PKR could only see that because he knows his own alignment to be town
I don’t think a wolf would think to read what lol said as a scumslip

so I wasn’t reading lol as scumslipping necessarily, but reading PKR as towny due to suspecting a scumslip

Ok but I don’t get how PKR read it as a scumslip?

What part of it was a “scumslip”.

perspective slip that PKR is town
point being, I don’t think any of the rest of us would think it was a perspective slip specifically because we don’t know PKR’s alignment

Vote Count

Accused Voters Number
EVO EliThePsycho, clonedcheese, lol 3/7
clonedcheese GonZ 1/7
Intensify WindwardAway 1/7
[No Exe] cdecora 1/7
[Not Voting] eevee, Aelin, an_gorta_pratai, Tilgarial, Intensify, PokemonKidRyan, EVO 7

EOD2 is at 2021-03-29T19:50:00Z.

/vote Eli @Zone_Q11

hmm

Btw could ya point out where PKR softclaimed?
I read his d1 ISO, but I eithwr missed it due to skimming or just didn’t see it
Would be great to have as a quote rn anyways

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Yeah I get that, but how did he think it was a scumslip?

I don’t get it… even it were to look at it from a town perspective…

No one is explaining why PKR would think it’s a scumslip at all from a town perspective and what the scumslip from PKR’s perspective even is.

Softclaimed → hinted/whatever

still waiting for that defense btw @EVO

/vote PKR

@PokemonKidRyan Ill unvote once you or someone else can explain how you thought lol scumslipped.

Here is the play in question.

I took this immediate response as a possible reaction that I was looking for. Some kind of push for the meat of the information immediately with no regards to benefits of withholding it.

I was hinting here (mainly towards Wind) that my train of thought was directly related to PKR’s lunge for info.

In hindsight this could come from a PR. But from my POV stuff like this could be scum sweating, meaning my plan had already begun to yield fruit.

Little things like this was going to be included in a last post before being lynched today, in order to give town the fuel to start scumhunting.

After getting a reaction from PKR that pinged my interest I tried to push it and force some kind of interaction with other slots to put into my final notes as possible spew.

Stuff like this, while in direct context of me having a redcheck on someone would be invaluable to mapping out connections between slots.

Further instance of me pushing that interaction as far as I dare to go to get info.

Stuff like this, and with how quickly answered, allowed me to deduce that PKR and GonZ were probably not w/w

My chart and this post were primarily to plant the seed in Intensify that my redcheck could be on them, as well as a double wifom that I may or may not have altered my chart based on my redcheck. (said that I didnt, but I assumed me saying that would cause some people to not believe it entirely).

Also, Aelin was the only person who pointed out the redacted bits in my earlier notes, which was annoying, as I was hoping adding “REDACTED” to a few could incite some paranoia in the wolves.

Phase two after I’ve realized i’ve milked PKR and the reactions from others of me milking him.

This was a late reaction to Phase One by Intensify that intrigued me on Intensify’s alignment, as they feign interest and then possibly pry for info by dancing around the subject with a seemingly adjacent-relative question.

This then backtracks and shows a bit of awareness to my plan, as well as pointing out PKR’s resistance to the redcheck being witheld.

Oddly enough this was one of Intensify’s towniest posts, as the awareness seems naturelly biased from a town perspective seeing themself scumread

Ending Intensify’s post with a push on me regardless of the previous findings, I am having trouble finding out whether this is AI or not.

Then they backtracked again catching my interest again.

Wind caught onto it as well.

Here is an instance where I hint at my findings.

This is where I notice that Intensify is chatty and made a slip in judgement that may have been from a scum PoV.

Wind also, as reliable as they are for noticing this stuff, liked this post, giving me the thought that I may be able to pass the majority of my findings to them before my lynch.

This is a NAI logical fallacy that I was pointing out for the sake of pressuring intensify after their slip about Eevee.

Here is where I end the interaction and leave my work with Wind to analyze while I went to work.

here I was just trying to keep the thread from just sitting and waiting on my check, so I threw a bone to encourage interactions

Notice that theselection contains two of my townreads, and two coasters. Also, my townreads at this time were somewhat suspected to be scum, so the extra pressure on them made me look out for oppertunists, which you wills see soon.

This was just me giving them an out on claiming neutral, making it more likely someone gives something to save themself later

late reaction to Phase Three.

At this point I was still unaware what tf ice cream had to do with anything

this is when I realized my plan wasn’t going exactly where I wanted it to go

As expressed here.

The point was for a PR to understand that because they have a role that is worded differently from mine, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND I WAS A FAKE lol

Me slipping my plan out of frustration.

Now that PKR knows my plan (in theory) I quickly jump to Phase Four before too many people catch on.

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Here was the thing PKR saw a scumslip.
“Knows he’s the shit” → can be interpreted as knows he’s right
i.e. town seeing a mafia thing
“Just experienced and can deal with this stuff” → can also be seen as regarding the other as town

So, two versions where your opposite is town in that situation, basically.
Not saying this is what lol meant, but I think it’s what PKR saw.
Which, in that situation, could have been stretched to a scumslip?

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might count this as a light hint
not as much as later posts

today’s very obvious role soft (for those who know what neapolitan ice cream is)

well
I guess PKR mostly just softed today and not D1
but yeah, there was discussion about it earlier (but in the context of Eli now that i’m looking at it)