[Standard] NUF FM 2 - GAME OVER (MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY)

[an_gorta_pratai]

before if my read was bad we had an extra chance, but now we don’t

[Intensify]

What is your read then.

[an_gorta_pratai]

currently scum on Eli, but I also said that of Wind, so I want to review everyone alive again

[Intensify]

Righto.

You can get on doing that I guess.

[EVO]

well I guess I should delete my wallpost as to why Wind is scum

Anyways, Gorta/Eli seem like the only team no one has really thought of. Have they really been just sitting back as we claw each other apart?

[Intensify]

@EVO

well I guess I should delete my wallpost as to why Wind is scum

Oh crap I didn’t realize someone else also did the same thing

[EVO]

I had convinced myself to push Wind hard today

[Intensify]

@EVO

Anyways, Gorta/Eli seem like the only team no one has really thought of. Have they really been just sitting back as we claw each other apart?

I mean I’m considering it.

Considering my teams are
Gorta/Eli
Gorta/Tilga
Tilga/Eli

[Intensify]

I mean I was thinking about a Wind/Tilga team hard when PKR died so weh

[EVO]

Okay, I’ll create a consensus town ig? Give me time, it’s definitely not gorta or Eli, maybe til, you have been on the same wavelength as me with wind and pkr and tbh you sus’d them before me so you are also kinda townie

[EVO]

Okay. I have

People who I will not vote today:

• Tilgarial

• Intensify

People who may get the boot:

• Eli

• Gorta

[EVO]

After Wind’s death I am okay with changing my reads though, because I had a plan to hard tunnel a townie on lylo apparently

[Intensify]

Wind died for the greater good of not being death tunneled by 2 townies today.

[EVO]

Would not have been my proudest moment

[Intensify]

I mean if Wind lived and I sus’ed them with Tilga, and tunneled her, my self confidence/EGO after this game would absolutely obliterated.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I encourage you to look at other options because I’m not sure either

[Intensify]

I don’t know why I spent 2 hours ISOing and quoting every EVO/Aelin interaction in Aelin’s ISO but I have.

Anyways I’ll probably return soon to explain why I think EVO is good.

EVO/Aelin Interactions

@PokemonKidRyan

Yeah, I love RNG.
Since we have 15 people.
I’d expect 3-4 scum. Maybe 3 mafia and a neut?

So I think lol, GonZ and Eli are mafia.
With EVO as neutral.

And Eevee is a town member who just seems to be butting heads with me.

@Aelin

/vote PKR

EVO hasn’t posted yet :^)

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@EVO

@PokemonKidRyan

@Aelin

would you guys mind too much to use she/her for me

Hey, all’s good! We each have our own preferences for how we want to be referred to and in general this is a very welcoming community (also I know people might say I sound forced or like I’m being too friendly so I’m scum trying to win a vote, but no, genuinely, welcome. If I get suspected for holding my belief then so be it)

Welcome one and all, new or old. I look forward to this game now that it’s finally starting and I’m excited. I kinda want to start asking questions but like I don’t want to go too into the spotlight.

Good guy PKR lmao

@Aelin

EVO
It’s
I already went through this
I’m not new

@EVO

When did I say you were?

@Aelin

Touché
Just making sure

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@Aelin

Anyway
/vote EVO
one post then dipped was :wowee:

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@min

Why are you voting evo with only 1 post then

@Aelin

Because checking on the thread and then saying nothing of import and just leaving isn’t exactly a good look, so I’m trying to get some pressure going because EVO buckles pretty easily from what I remember.

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@Marluxion

i never said you being nice is why i think you’re mafia
i think your posts so far this game have served no purpose but to HAVE posts

i never even mentioned meta or your tone in previous games

@Marluxion

I’m not buying it
You can do that and also have meaningful solving in your posts

@Aelin

shrug intensifies

@Aelin

Rather ironically, I’m more worried about how defensive he immediately got rather than what you’re talking about lol

@Aelin

I don’t really think there’s anything AI in it for PKR, although I can follow Eevee’s train of thought quite easily.

@Aelin

Hmm… I’ll chalk mixing names up to you being new. And, yes, those are fair points, but you’re only looking at it from one perspective.

@Aelin

Why are you voting him?

@Aelin

I have, and I’ve given my thoughts on PKR/Eevee already

Why’d you wait until I voted him to vote?

@Aelin

I didn’t like their vote because they voted right after I voted PKR for the memelist and their reasoning and response wasn’t great

@Aelin

How would you describe your main style of playing and making reads?

@Aelin

Level negative one read

Wind/PKR not W/W

@Aelin

Anyway

/vote EVO
one post then dipped was :wowee:

@Aelin

Saying I haven’t been solving is, quite simply, incorrect.

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@EVO

Honestly I wasn’t going to even pay attention to your comment until I saw that it was in a burger king

@Aelin

No, no, I think it’s inside the Burger King, like, in line or something
Also EVO what the fuck

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@Aelin

I’m uh
really not sure what to make of them

EVO don’t read this

This doesn’t make me feel any better about his slot but I feel like it would be incredibly rude to vote him because of it

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@Intensify

Alright.

Let’s just ignore what just happened.

Say Aelin, I don’t remember if you’ve mentioned this before but who are your scumreads as of now?

@Aelin

Don’t worry, it’s because I haven’t really been too vocal about them. My stronger scumreads would currently have to be Marl and Eli, although there’s this weird thing going on with Marl that, like… whenever I’m not in thread, he’s acting pretty normal and casual and then he just like flips a switch or something when interacting with me. PKR doesn’t seem great, but they aren’t bad enough to the extent that they’d be my first vote today. I’d rather give him some more time to produce content. Other slots I’m looking at are EVO and gonz, the former because low content and the latter just because I remember very little of what they did and don’t really like what I can remember of interacting with them.

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@GonZ

I guess thats fair… since i’ve been basically silent all this time…
Although it didnt help that when i come online i see a personal fights happening rather than game fight…
Also is @eevee usually this striaghtlaced or is eevee just touchy about insults coming his/her way?

@Aelin

Ah… I’m not really sure
Usually EVO isn’t like this, although I can’t say I play with Eevee often enough to confirm or deny.

@GonZ

I’m slightly focusing on EVO right now. He/she didnt answer my question on why he voted no exe, and bounced the question back to me. Then ignoring or skipped my follow up post.

@Aelin

Okay
ahem
Clarification: What are those thoughts?

@GonZ

Nothing concrete yet. But along the lines of (from my experience, no exe is bad for town), why is he pushing no exe into the tie with 2 votes, is he recuing someone?

@Aelin

So… essentially, you have no thoughts on… anything ?

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@Marluxion

I could easily see evo being mafia tbh

@Marluxion

/vote Evo

@Aelin

Mmmm yeah

kinda scared if i vote him he’ll scream at me though >_<

@Aelin

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that there’s a potential for you to be v!Marl doing Marl things™

/vote EVO

if he screams at me im using you as a meat shield

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@WindwardAway

Well
Looks like I missed… stuff here
Why are a bunch of you suddenly voting EVO? I can understand the reasoning behind suspecting him as a wolf, but it looks like three of you in a row just decided to vote him without much comment (Marl, Aelin, GonZ).

@Aelin

@Aelin

Anyway

/vote EVO
one post then dipped was :wowee:

@Aelin

Because checking on the thread and then saying nothing of import and just leaving isn’t exactly a good look, so I’m trying to get some pressure going because EVO buckles pretty easily from what I remember.

@Aelin

I’m uh

really not sure what to make of them

EVO don’t read this

This doesn’t make me feel any better about his slot but I feel like it would be incredibly rude to vote him because of it

@Aelin

Don’t worry, it’s because I haven’t really been too vocal about them. My stronger scumreads would currently have to be Marl and Eli, although there’s this weird thing going on with Marl that, like… whenever I’m not in thread, he’s acting pretty normal and casual and then he just like flips a switch or something when interacting with me. PKR doesn’t seem great, but they aren’t bad enough to the extent that they’d be my first vote today. I’d rather give him some more time to produce content. Other slots I’m looking at are EVO and gonz, the former because low content and the latter just because I remember very little of what they did and don’t really like what I can remember of interacting with them.

@Aelin

Ah… I’m not really sure

Usually EVO isn’t like this, although I can’t say I play with Eevee often enough to confirm or deny.

@WindwardAway
Anyway, I’m heading to bed, should be back before EoD as school permits. Also, quoting on mobile is haaaard, man ;-;

@Aelin

Not sure how you missed all that, though, Wind.

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@Marluxion

I’ll gamble my right to exist on evo flipping scum

@Aelin

I really don’t think your/EVO’s alignments rely on each other…

@Aelin

At least, not for me.

@Marluxion

No it could be T/T
If it is the hole is gonna be deep for me tomorrow which is why i want copped

@Aelin

That just sounds like you’re trying to get out of it

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@Aelin

Anyway, enough about Umineko. I really don’t understand what EVO is doing here.

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@EVO

I mean, there are people here who clearly are biased against me because of being offended at my outburst, and people who’s best interest is to vote me instead of marl if he is indeed wolf. So idk if I can but either way if scum makes too many moves rn we will tear them from their roots later

@Aelin

I mean, you’re not wrong
But it’s not like you’ve been doing literally anything to change our minds

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@lol

whats your case against him though

@Aelin

No content, disrupting thread, bad tone

@lol

so nothing

@Aelin

No, and I dislike the fact that you just delegated to that immediately.

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@Aelin

@Intensify

Ow.

Anyways.

/vote EVO

I gave this slot some time during EoD to build a case for someone… didn’t do much during EOD… very unsatisfied with it.

Intensify starts off with a pretty ‘meh’ vote after a bad vote the day prior that ended in a ml.

@Aelin

@WindwardAway

It’s pretty improbable that out of the 7 of us voting Marl (excluding Marl himself), all of us are town. I think even if he’d flipped wolf, it would be highly likely that at least one wolf would’ve been on his wagon at that point for towncred anyway, but that’s irrelevant now.

This is fair. Just going by the numbers, there are probably 3-4 wolves, and I really can’t imagine that there’s more than a single wolf on the EVO wagon regardless of their alignment. So, that leaves at least 2 or 3 elsewhere, and if we’re trying to narrow it down, looking at the no-voters the only one whose been actively scummy to me is PKR, although cdecora is absolutely null to me. Still tr’ing Eevee, even if he’s getting slightly annoying.
For simplicities sake, I’m going to say there’s probably ~2 wolves on the Marl wagon, and we can obviously discard min and Marl, so, just looking at the votes…
WindwardAway - Obvious progression throughout the entire day. Whether or not it was correct is another story, but the vote itself makes sense.
clonedcheese - At first I didn’t remember too much progression, but it actually does exist upon looking back (this is where the ISO failed me last time and deleted my wallpost so shoot myself). Vote is, once again, logical for where it is.
lol - As soon as I think about this, all I can think about is the like… seven people pointing out that it looked like they were trying to chainsaw Marl/Wind who are two extremely strong players in their own rights. Even more than that, they were on the wagon because they were sheeping Wind, removing literally any blame from themselves.
EVO - Self-pres, NAI.
Intensify - Stated he didn’t have a read on either, and that despite two of his townleans were on EVO’s wagon, Wind and Cloned had a stronger case which he agreed with. On the vote, he basically told Marl to try and convince him which isn’t terrible , but it was very obvious that Marl wasn’t going to do a lot of convincing.
EliThePsycho - Voted Marl on the basis that wagons were tied, which is meh… a couple hundred messages prior he was telling people to sheep him on EVO, though, and instead of trying to convince more people he just decided he didn’t want tied wagons about 20 minutes before EoD instead of waiting.

So, just in these votes, if I had to do anything I’d probably put these guys in

T

Wind
Cloned
EVO
Intensify
Eli
lol

W

@Aelin

@WindwardAway

I think at least 3/4 people on the EVO wagon are likely to be town, if not all of them

That’s fair.

@Aelin

@EVO

But fair enough.

Current Notes

1. EliThePsycho - Null/Townlean, [REDACTED]
2. an_gorta_pratai - [REDACTED]
3. Aelin - scumlean, Activity would match a Scum investigator
4. PokemonKidRyan - Townread, (meta)
5. clonedcheese - Townlean, (meta)
6. lol - true null, PoE
7. Intensify - Null
8. WindwardAway - Townlean, positive thread influence
9. eevee - null, PoE, negative thread influence
10. cdecora - true null, PoE
11. GonZ - Null/Townlean, [REDACTED]
12. Tilgarial - null, PoE, (iioa?)
13. Marluxion - Executed D1, Nahrenne (Town Vanilla)
14. min - Killed D1, AliceShiki (Town Vanilla)

Not really sure why there are redacted stuff
I’m also not really sure what he means by “activity would match a Scum investigator”, but this is why I’m willing to trust his claim of PR because the paranoia lines up pretty well logically speaking
I’d like some more thoughts on PKR, lol, intensify, and gonz
it seems nobody has a fricking read on cdecora though, which… makes me worried.

@Aelin

@EVO

But fair enough.

Current Notes

1. EliThePsycho - Null/Townlean, [REDACTED]
2. an_gorta_pratai - [REDACTED]
3. Aelin - scumlean, Activity would match a Scum investigator
4. PokemonKidRyan - Townread, (meta)
5. clonedcheese - Townlean, (meta)
6. lol - true null, PoE
7. Intensify - Null
8. WindwardAway - Townlean, positive thread influence
9. eevee - null, PoE, negative thread influence
10. cdecora - true null, PoE
11. GonZ - Null/Townlean, [REDACTED]
12. Tilgarial - null, PoE, (iioa?)
13. Marluxion - Executed D1, Nahrenne (Town Vanilla)
14. min - Killed D1, AliceShiki (Town Vanilla)

Not really sure why there are redacted stuff
I’m also not really sure what he means by “activity would match a Scum investigator”, but this is why I’m willing to trust his claim of PR because the paranoia lines up pretty well logically speaking
I’d like some more thoughts on PKR, lol, intensify, and gonz
it seems nobody has a fricking read on cdecora though, which… makes me worried.

[Intensify]

Sidenote:

@Aelin

Don’t you know? Any inconsistency, no matter how small, makes some lockwolf! ^-^

Everytime I ISO Aelin this posts feels like it’s taunting me and I have no idea why reeeee

[EVO]

@EVO

• EliThePsycho - Null/Townlean, [REDACTED]
• an_gorta_pratai - [REDACTED]
• Aelin - scumlean, Activity would match a Scum investigator
• PokemonKidRyan - Townread, (meta)
• clonedcheese - Townlean, (meta)
• lol - true null, PoE
• Intensify - Null
• WindwardAway - Townlean, positive thread influence
• eevee - null, PoE, negative thread influence
• cdecora - true null, PoE
• GonZ - Null/Townlean, [REDACTED]
• Tilgarial - null, PoE, (iioa?)
• Marluxion - Executed D1, Nahrenne (Town Vanilla)
• min - Killed D1, AliceShiki (Town Vanilla)

Oh I guess I'll clarify this

@EVO

• EliThePsycho - Null/Townlean, possible PR
• an_gorta_pratai - possible candidate for a fake redcheck to see if anyone immediately jumps to bus them
• Aelin - scumlean, Activity would match a Scum investigator
• PokemonKidRyan - Townread, (meta)
• clonedcheese - Townlean, (meta)
• lol - true null, PoE
• Intensify - Null
• WindwardAway - Townlean, positive thread influence
• eevee - null, PoE, negative thread influence
• cdecora - true null, PoE
• GonZ - Null/Townlean, Neutral? or PR?
• Tilgarial - null, PoE, (iioa?)
• Marluxion - Executed D1, Nahrenne (Town Vanilla)
• min - Killed D1, AliceShiki (Town Vanilla)

[EVO]

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