[Standard] WoW:BfA v1.1 - Alliance Victory (2/16)

[Vulgard]

Seth’s early posts are hilarious. They are also reminiscent of an acid trip.

@ChopChop

They call me Greedy but I’m like nah fam. I’m just a Horde r

I chuckled.

@ChopChop

Ok there’s not much note worthy things yet.
But the one thing I will bring up is @Alice still has their vote on someone who has arrived and is yet to take their vote away from them.
So I’ll keep an eye out to see if Alice switch’s vote or for some reason actually makes a scum case on them.

@ChopChop

@CRichard564

Getting slight town pings from Alice and Napoleon this game.

Frankie’s entrance is a little interesting, though I’ve never seen how he plays before.

Maybe Alice knows Frankie

@ChopChop

@Alice

…it’s RVS.

And I shall wait to see where your next vote is.

@ChopChop

I brought Chuck into this game.
I hope he’s not scum or we’ll all be fucked.

@ChopChop

Chuck is a Good Player.

@ChopChop

@Frankie

I’ll admit it is not my forte. But I still think that it is not a good thing to read somebody on the way they type, especially because you don’t know me! I’m getting the feeling that you are serious here, and I think that your push is full of very faulty reasoning.

/vote Napoleon

This will stay here until you have provided some evidence to back up your claim young man .

Now we wait to see what Napoleon shall provide!

Some of these are so performative.

@ChopChop

Nap is either Town or Scum Trying to improve his meta.
That’s how I see it.

The definition of a double-edged sword statement. Comes from scum.

@ChopChop

@Napoleon
I think there voting you because they didn’t like your reasoning towards the vote on CRich.

He’s kinda… not taking stances. Not doing anything he will have to take responsibility for later down the line.

@ChopChop

@Alice

/vote Modeshifter

Nice!

I chuckled.

@ChopChop

I’ll be honest.
I don’t have my full attention in this.
But I also haven’t read too much of you either.
One thing I will say though is that you have a good amount of words with your posts so you are using effort.
That isn’t directly alignment indicative but it’s something.

It really takes him a while to develop a stance here.

@ChopChop

While meta is a thing.
It isn’t always trustable.

@ChopChop

Sometimes it’s better to trust your reading skills over looking at someone’s meta.
The only time I look at someone’s meta is if I’m having difficulty determining someone’s alignment.

@ChopChop

Agreed.
Napoleons reaction was Null.
He did nothing that indicated his alignment.

@ChopChop

You mean you?
RN your Null for me as I need to have more of an engaging interaction with you however I also really need to get to bed I work in the morning.

@ChopChop

I’ll say this now though.
I believe CRich to be Town based upon he said I feel odd then a few minutes later made a case on me.

I feel Scum!CRich would have just said I feel Odd and have done nothing about explaining themselves until questioned.

Wow, first read of the game after posting for quite a while, and it’s a relatively easy read to make.
Not earning any town points.
Also, this reason to townread CRich is bad, but that goes without saying.

@ChopChop

From hindsight it looked like they were trying to pocket Alice’s reads but again, I’ll go ahead and read Chloe’s ISO after work if I have time.

Okay, so Chloe is scum and Alice is town, or at least Chloe thinks that Alice is town, right…?

@ChopChop

I’m thinking that if Chloe is Group Scum then Alice is Lost Wolf.

@ChopChop

I also don’t feel like their TVS.
I think it’s TvT or SvS.

What???
How did he manage to turn a “TvS” starting point into a “TvT or SvS” conclusion?
Clever way to make yourself exempt from responsibility later down the line.

@ChopChop

I’m slightly scumreading Centenary

@Centuries

@ChopChop

I’m Town Leaning Leafia and if Century flips Scum I’m putting Leafia as Town or Lost Wolf.

Mentions having a townread on leafia, but makes sure to keep an option open to mislynch Leafia later, if possible.
What is this.

@ChopChop

Maybe I’m their Town read
Maybe someone loves me
Let’s find out!

Bruh.

@ChopChop

If Alice is Scum it’s prob LW and Chloe would be groupscum with Chuck in that case.

What are these preflips?

[Vulgard]

Mode probably scum tbh.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I’m not liking Vul here

[Vulgard]

@SirDerpsAlot

What is this supposed town tell

If I say it, she’s going to fix it.
If it’s consistent, it may allow me to read her better, which is good for me and for the village when I’m V.

@Frankie

I’m liking this vulgard guy, but I think he’s spending too much effort on chloe. I think that she has a fairly good chance at being mafia as well, but if she dies to poison tonight, which she should, there is no reason to put that much time and energy into her

I agree, I probably shouldn’t waste so much time on a bleeding player.

Also, hi.

[Vulgard]

On a skim, Frankie had good tone but not much else to V lean him for.

[SirDerpsAlot]

His reads don’t feel like the analysis I usually see from town Vul

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Vulgard

If I say it, she’s going to fix it.
If it’s consistent, it may allow me to read her better, which is good for me and for the village when I’m V.

Then I don’t care about it so better make a better case if you don’t want that slot lynched

[Vulgard]

Ah, yes, you have caught me. I must selfvote and appeal to emotion now. I Am Wolf.

Wolves:

Mode
Chloe? (Early still bad. Gets better later. Volume feels good but is fakeable with all the padding.)
Frankie/Blizer/10posts (still have to read them.)
Chuck (If none of the above are flipping scum, revisit this.)

Also possible that Italy suddenly cares about the game despite randing scum. Could be a more likely world if he’s exactly LW, since I have no idea if he struggles with posting as LW.

[Leafia]

Hmmm, I kind of see what you mean there by Seth being preformative.

[Frankie]

Italy has gotten a lot less off-topic and more game focused, and I have had the game Evolution Mafia and the Game 28 ENDGAME recommended, and I’m willing to believe the meta tells for now. Enough so that I don’t want to push on him.

I still think that Alice’s emotion was genuine, and so I do not want to push her replacement slot today. My current PoE right now is:

10_posts_daily
Chloe
SirDerpsAlot
Chuck

I do not think this is the exact mafia team, but this is who I want to focus right now. 10 posts is a hard read because they aren’t saying that many alignment indicative things, just being rude to most people and talking about not-specific-to-the-game things, and even advocating for a policy lynch. I understand the frustration with keeping up, but there is just not too much to go on. I think some of the things they say are reasonable but it’s not enough for me to get a real substantial read on her slot.

[Vulgard]

This mostly looks like what I have.

[Frankie]

Vulgard is a little brash, I’ll do a deeper dive on him later. I’m not sure if italy meta as Cult Leader and Mafia are exactly the same but that’s what I could find.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Vulgard

Ah, yes, you have caught me. I must selfvote and appeal to emotion now. I Am Wolf

Yeah so I don’t think town Vul does this?

[Vulgard]

Remember that time I replaced into SFoL 61.5 and selfvoted, calling myself wolf, as my 2nd post in the game?

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Frankie

I still think that Alice’s emotion was genuine,

That isn’t AI for Alice she gets emotional as either alignment

[SirDerpsAlot]

This is a different scenario

[Vulgard]

@10_posts_daily

Chleo rare
Napoleaon medium
Apprentice well done

All of you forgot to add spices to your steaks.
But since everyone knows bloody steaks are best for lunch.

/eat Chelo

@10_posts_daily

@host - Please count my previous vote. Don’t ignore it.

Also add to my conclusion list:
Centuries - lacks of any mafia experience, do not sheep
CRichard - probably should just die

@10_posts_daily

That’s why.

You think problems are on soemoene’s else side instead of just trying to read with less posts.

Look, Centuries is trying, maybe with very reachy logic, but they are.
You just took the attitude of “It’s useless, whoever team they are, it’s just -EV” and demotivate people.

Who is more useless then? Person who tries minimaly or person who doesn’t try at all, but demotivates others instead?

@10_posts_daily

There is no read.

You are being toxic, shouting on other people to “shut the fuck up” and being passive agressive.

I dont care who you are, as Im not from this site, but if you want to be toxic, I dont really want you in the game.

Call it a policy vote.

To be honest, this looks villagery. I don’t think this guy is pushing agenda / pushing in bad faith at all.

@10_posts_daily

@Alice

Consider yourself added to the PoE.

Apparently saying that is not breaking rules here, so I will quote you…

@Alice “Shut the fuck up and start playing the damn game”

@10_posts_daily

@Alice

Yes, I get horribly pissed at people like Derps or Italy who don’t bother playing the game, so what?

If you think this is acceptable, which it looks like based on your entire account’s gimmick, then I’m really don’t care what you think my reaction is.

To be fair, all my posts were game related.
On MS we have minimum of around 1 post per 2 irl days. I’m already doing like 5 times more than what’s minimum on my site. And as far as I know, you are aware of it.

And no, I don’t think ad hominem attack are acceptable, and that’s what you are doing.
You are making atmosphere of whole game much more toxic for everyone.

Perfect policy vote if you ask me.

So if you won’t stop, I won’t either.

@10_posts_daily

You ask me to waste my 10th post for that?

Apparently reading 9 posts is too hard for you.
Or maybe 6 serious reads is not enough for you for day 1?
Or maybe it’s just OMGUS?

Sure, let me lay it out for you.

Chloe, Napoleon, Apprentice - all had mild and boring day openings, which ended up going in totally different directions.

Napoleons was most… mild and chewy. And mostly staied this way for the rest of the day.
You were on plain downhill, enough to poison you at least.
Only Apprentice, despite starting unimpressive, managed to climb up and look like they want to forward the game.

Then I posted reads about Crichard/Centuries, where Centuries was actually trying despite taking very reachy conclusions. I accept theirs explanation that it was late, but it’s something to watch out for.
Better to say real opinion than just take a forced stand to look good.

CRichard just doesn’t try and demotivates town with it. No idea if it’s normal or not for them, but now that I think about it, Alice mught be right that people have hjndreds of posts without playing.

Then we have Alice who prefers to make enemies and do ad hominem attacks without standing when someone does it to them.
Probably would be a very easy read if someone managed to tilt them hard enough, but I don’t have more posts. Someone else should do it.

All those was in my previous 9 posts.
If you’ve read them, you would know it.

But apparently for you making 200 posts of your own is more importamt than reading to find scum.

Please do NOT heal Chloe.

/vote CRichard

And this post is really good. I think I’m locking this in as town.

Having so few posts makes the guy so much easier to read. I don’t think all the insults targeted at this slot were entirely warranted.

[Frankie]

I think her frustration with getting SPK a lot is true in particular. Her posting matches that mindset, and I can definitely relate to that feeling! I do not think she faked it just to get town credit, I think her posting in general shows that she wants to push her beliefs before she gets killed!

I guess I can add seth to the PoE as well, I forgot about him, and i’ll probably have to read him more later on.

[Vulgard]

@Blizer

@Italy

we’re in the same timezone you fucking boomer

@Italy

actually you’re an hour behind but still

thats a lie right there

Italy bad.

Vote hopping early.

@Blizer

also yeah, took a look at Chloe`s iso so far

I feel like her push on Nap is bad tbh.

Like, Nap`s intro and interaction with Frankie is fucking weird, but if you look at why he posted that as scum vs as Town, i dont think scum would post and say the shit he did tbh.

feels like a LHF to push on.

Having this thought so early gives him town points in my book.

@Blizer

Felt like Chloe was pushing a bit too hard on Nap, and that if she look from both a town and wolf perspective, what Nap did was actually stupid as a wolf. Felt like she was pushing LHF with Nap.

PREACH.

@Blizer

Nap after his recent posts and everything with that interaction is town imo, i would be quite surprised if he flips Alliance here

Your not wrong on Centuries, their posts had a performative tone towards it, but i do agree with them on Chloe with her bad Nap push. overall im still ehh on Centuries, but their couple of posts improve (Similar to TBE from FoL 28). Want a bit more content to see their full thought process.

You, are still one of the harder people to read for me, but, from tone and perspective so far, you dont seem to be pushing agenda from my perspective, but i could be missing something

From Most Towny to Least Towny in this order:

Nap
Alice
Centuries
Chloe

This entire post is really cool and Good.

@Blizer

Alice

if you actually read the posts, you can see why i town read him.

Look at it like this, Nap does his bad RT out of the gate, his plan was to generate discussion and to see not only the person he targeted her (Frankie), but how others react to his push on him.

afterwards, he gets peoples reactions, and he comes to his conclusion (which is Frankie being a V!lean from his beahviour towards the RT)

He scumreads both you and Chloe for your reactions towards it, and he explains and points out the logic behind his RT.

Nap also put the spotlight on himself by doing that play, Wolfs usually try to coast d1 and push agenda, which is something that lacks from his posts from my perspective.

His behaviour towards his own reaction test, to people reacting towards, and the conclusion of it, plus how he did it does not come from a wolf.

This feels like a villagery defense, and it’s also highly independent. Not many people had developed thoughts like these at the time.

@Blizer

also cause i know hes up

@Italy

get your ass in here and read the thread.

I actually like the fact he’s pressuring the player with a distinctive meta while managing to be funny about it. I think he would be more rigid as a wolf.

@Blizer

Current Thoughts:

Chloe - Her re-eval of Nap was actually pretty solid all around, there was nothing there that heavily stuck out to me, and i dont see any agenda being pushed here when it comes to Nappy. Very natural all round and tone got slightly better. /Unvote Should not be the lynch today.

Alice vs. Mode vs. Light - These 3 had alot of interaction with eachother, and i do think there is a solid chance of a wolf being in one of the 3. Both Seths and Lights posts are all over the damn place when it comes to tone, but Light has a more natural progression when it comes to his thought process. I do wanna Re-Eval Alice depending on the flips here, and see if she is pushing these two in bad faith. I Request a Check on one of the 3 tonight, Pref on Alice.

App vs. Ami - Ami is her usually laid back self tbh, and i know IRL can be busy, but nothing seems off to me tbh. App is heavily pushing for an Ami wagon atm, and it is not gaining any traction. Tone feels off a bit to me, and honestly, feels like a bad faith push to me tbh.

Leafia vs. Centuries - From what ive seen from both here and CFM2, Leafia`s thought process and progression is more natural, where in CFM2, she jumped everywhere, and had actual garbage progression throughout that game. Townlean here. Centuries has gotten better a bit, and perspective reading from both a town and wolf angle, her thought process is more town then wolf. This is a TvT in my eyes.

Italy - Yeah, not much to be said here, hes in his scum meta, which is basically not posting at all, and no motivation to play the game. /Jettison Italy . Vote will stay on him unless he drastically improves in the next 12 hours here.

I think I’m agreeing with this guy too much for him to be scum unless my reads are garbage.

He also feels super different from the last FoL he played in. Nothing he’s posted reeks of bad faith to me.

I think I’m ready to lock this one in as town.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Vulgard

reads are garbage

If you’re town I’m flipping all your reads