Starting King changes

[katze]

I see you never really found a solution for a confirmable, but not meta day ability for kings to prove themselves as not being possessed. Overall I’m a big fan of the ideas, but I still consider this is decently sized possessor buff, indirectly. A king who has already slammed is free reign for a possjump.

@Kape

Swear Fealty (2 use): Make target player immune to conversion tonight.

Would you get any indication if this is successful?

@Kape

Allies (3 use): Check if a player is a member of the Cultseen. If they are not an ally, frame them instead.

I feel like if a N1 cultseen check flips BD, the heads are immediately turning towards EK. I suppose this could be abused by devious minds to frame the king as evil; but at the same time I feel like it may have the drawback of making EK kind of mechanically confirmable? You kind of already stated your opinion on this already by saying it may make BD more likely to suspect a wrong check, but I think it may have the unintended side effect of making the BD very eager to kill the king sometimes. Just my two cents though, I know you’re more experienced than me and probably thought these scenarios out already.

[Kape]

@katze

A king who has already slammed is free reign for a possjump.

Would you really risk a slam just to prove the King? I wouldn’t.

@katze

Would you get any indication if this is successful?

I don’t think you should, but can add it if others want it to give feedback.

@katze

I feel like if a N1 cultseen check flips BD, the heads are immediately turning towards EK.

Or a Scorned that got lucky. Or that the invest is lying about hitting a frame. It could be Sellsword doing S T R A T S, or n1 convert, or something.

[katze]

@Kape

Or a Scorned that got lucky. Or that the invest is lying about hitting a frame. It could be Sellsword doing S T R A T S, or n1 convert, or something.

Like I said, it could open up the gate to some cool plays. But the chance of a mechanical EK confirm would still exist, although the 50/50 of “Is this scorned or EK?” would be hard to answer. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I do think this would get a lot of starting kings executed/poisoned. Whether or not that’s a bad thing, though, is up for debate. I don’t think it really is, honestly. It’s still quite a lot of chaos.

@Kape

Would you really risk a slam just to prove the King? I wouldn’t.

If it’s a confirmed possessor game and nobody is sure who is possessed… it may have to happen. And if the king already slammed, then there is practically no counter play to a possessed king. This is my only issue with your suggestion, though. I really like it otherwise.

[Zubumafu]

By doing that the meta will quickly change to “King has to use Last Word d1 or be considered evil”, as long as Last Word exists, there is no way around a meta that forces king to disable that ability.

[NuclearBurrito]

But why tho?