Stuff That Should Change In Throne of Lies (WORK IN PROGRESS!)

#1

Stuff That SHOULD Be In Throne Of Lies
NOTICE: This is still in progress!

Illusionist

Summary

Illusionist

Night Ability Mental Blur should be replaced with Link Minds. Exactly like Psychic. So if a Psychic gets converted, it doesn’t completely screw over the Psychic.

Fool & Scorned

Summary

The Fool/Scorned change should be similar to Mastermind. If you get occupied, it will not tell the Drunk/Butler that you are indeed occupy immune. So it doesn’t screw you over.

Mercenary

Summary

A New Passive should be added called: “Immunity Throughout”

Immunity Throughout - Your guard can protect from Knight, and etc… Even King and Prince.

Spectate Feature

Summary

This should be a feature where you can spectate your friends game. This could be used for watching the friends game. Could be for watching your favorite youtubers game while watching. Nothing will displayed to you, not even dead chat. Only Alive chat. And what people see. Except at night.

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#2

Why?

It should be like this for all classes

Yes

#3

Well I mean they should start w/ Fool/Scorned. Because if they get occ’d. I’ve been screwed over so much bc of this. I was about to be exe’d then this drunk / butler said that i’m immune, and I get pardon’d down.

Immunity Throughout is good, because it can protect them from many things then just a direct attack not from a
Prince or King at night.

And Link Minds is absolutely NEEDED.

#4

Why? You don’t need to protect yourself, you need to protect your target.

I agreed though. This should be universal

#5

No Immunity Throughout protects your target from those things. not you. So you can still be king exe’d, prince exe’d, but your contract can’t.

#6

Stand Guard stops all visits, King included.

Should stop Prince though

#7

Merc should never stop the Prince, that is way too overpowered & also stupid.

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#8

Merc needs power in all situations.

That’s why Rebound exists, for the day phase.

So Prince shouldn’t bypass the Mercenary

#9

Merc is meant to stand guard outside their room, so you’re saying they should stand guard outside the jail cell now and tell the Prince to get lost? Lol.

#10

Balance > Lore

#11

This isn’t balance lol, Prince shouldn’t be stopped by a Merc guarding, it’s just plain stupid.

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#12

The is a balanced based on lore, why a jailor just stop and say “lol osrry mate” after someone says I gotta protect them. Prince kill is unstoppable for a reason

#13

Prince Kill is still practically guaranteed.

I personally think the BD relying on the Prince is unhealthy, and I’d like it significantly nerfed, but that’s besides the point.

If the Mercenary guards an evil and they are jailed by Prince, there is no meaningful action they can take. It’s a pretty edge case, but I think it’s worth giving the Merc this

#14

They already tried to do this. It was a shit show where no one listened to the psychic ever and it made everyone far too paranoid. If you can convert a psychic then you are probably going to win fairly soon anyways so using link minds isn’t that important at most points where you would still be an illusionist rather than an assassin.

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#15

Illusionist: There are even currently players who won’t claim to Psychic, because they MAY get converted. This change will make that much much worse. Simply change your claim if you haven’t changed publicly to something like knight/physician and use telepathy during the day to cause a mislynch. If you have claimed simply say you linked whoever assassin killed or you “linked” assassin. It is also good to eventually get killed as unseen are at 3 members, so that MM can convert again. You don’t need to live to win, you need to get your faction to win.

Fool/Scorned: Possible, but your motivation just sounds like you made too bad of a claim that you were recognized as a fool. You can simply claim Butler/Drunk with only dead people for instance. Scorned’s: The Drunk, deb 5, attacked but immune!!! are infamous.

Mercenary: It does? Except from Prince, but nothing should stop Prince execution. Prince should be the most powerful BD or there is no reason to hide him and for the evils to apply social deduction themselves. Mercenary is already a random bonus at the start to whoever happens to have his contract. No reason to make it way stronger. She gets 2 contracts for a reason and she is subject to balancing changes soon anyways.

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#16

Mental Blur should be replaced but not by Link Minds, else nobody’s going to claim to Psychic.

The Fool/Scorned change should be similar to Mastermind. If you get occupied, it will not tell the Drunk/Butler that you are indeed occupy immune. So it doesn’t screw you over.

Agree 100%.

Immunity Throughout - Your guard can protect from Knight, and etc… Even King and Prince.

It already protects from King. It should not protect from Prince though.