Temporarally remove inq (or test without it)

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#21

Really? Inquisitor is one of my favorite roles personally. You get to go stab stab stab without really caring about the consequences or planning for lategame. Yeah, that’s a problem for everyone else fun-wise, but it doesn’t mean inq isn’t fun for some people.

Also it seems like one way to change some of the complaints here is to change inq’s win condition from “survive to see the sorc die” to “kill the sorc.” Inq would need a force exe ability (one-time use) so he couldn’t be screwed over by day executions.

#22

His Wincon isn’t the problem here.
The fact Inquistor can literally win by random attack N1 is such a bullshit for someone who rolled Sorcerer and Inquisitor most of the time can’t rely on his abilities to find her with current Sorc’s ability kit.

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#23

No. That’s op

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#24

And can’t fake inquis

#25

I think you are misunderstanding it, that would actually be a pretty big nerf. IE inquis only gets credit if he stabs or effectively “decide fate” on the sorc. I don’t see it as an improvement to the problems though… there’s nothing addressed at all that makes the inquis actually better at hunting the sorc… nor justification for why the BD should need/want him.

#26

I was reffering to the complaints about inq being a yolo stabber. My reason for suggesting a wincon change is that it would force the inq to try to scumread, which isn’t something that most people bother to do as the inq. Forcing people to try actually does tend to improve their performance (such as why princes will often be better at scumreading than physicians).

#27

Yes please Sorc really doesn’t need it to be balanced and I think we’d be better off just balancing Sorcerer

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#28

The main issue with inq is that he’s a hardcounter. This wouldn’t change that, though it would discourage yolo stabbing

It’s part of the problem. Hardcounters shouldn’t even exist

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#29

As I said, it would solve some of the complaints, but by no means all. The opening post suggested a “hot fix” which wouldn’t solve all the problems but could be tested easily. My suggestion was meant similarly.

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#30

I agree with that.

#31

but your sorc can’t be best girl if she’s the only girl

#32

Sorcerer still has her girls though.

#33

This.

Give Sorcerer the ability to choose how her class type appears to investigative classes, and also choose whether she is occupy immune or not. Keep her ability to hide visits.

Then make Inquisitor’s magic test infallible. Make his stab unstoppable but single-use.

#34

It would be simpler to just allow her to choose a class and have her appear as that class to everyone visiting her.

Would it remain as a 2 use day ability? If so then it would be underpowered. It should just be merged with Magic Missile.

No. All abilities should have counters.

No. Yolo stabs are already annoying.

#35

It would be simpler to just allow her to choose a class and have her appear as that class type to everyone visiting her.

I agree. I just thought being able to appear as not occ imm should come at the price of actually being not occ imm.

Would it remain as a 2 use day ability? If so then it would be underpowered. It should just be merged with Magic Missile.

I agree.

No. All abilities should have counters.

That’s a really unjustified statement. Inq has to be infallible to be useful.

No. Yolo stabs are already annoying.

Tbh I have no firm opinion on Inq’s attack ability. But his check def needs to be infallible or at least extremely trustworthy.

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#36

I mean appear as that class to visitors. Changing occupation/redirection immunity would still happen.

But then it becomes overpowered. And the concept of inq is already broken

#37

The concept of Inq isn’t broken, it’s a counterbalance to Sorc being able to win with Unseen and being unable to kill them with her primary ability

#38

The concept of sorc is broken cause it’s not a true NK and there’s no point in there even being a NK if it can win with scum.

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#39

well the evil faction discovers the NK so easily, sorc encourages them to be more careful about immediatley outing it

I don’t know what you mean about sorc not being a “true NK”, she’s neutral and a killer so she’s a NK lol. The only real caveat is she changes faction upon becoming King

#40

Because she doesn’t accomplish what a neutral killer is meant to do.

You aren’t suppose to be adding a NK just for oh it’s neutral and it’s a killer.

The whole concept of there even being a point of a NK is so it can be a balancing act. Killing BD early on and scum later.

Therefore she is not a true NK.

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