The Alice Alignment Push Test

[Aelin]

rip

[Vulgard]

Should I reveal the answer key?

[Aelin]

1. “IMO, X seems like scum, but I’m giving them the chance to self-resolve first. Today, that leaves it between Y and Z. I wouldn’t really mind either one, but Z’s lack of content/defense takes precedence over Y being weird, as Y might actually have a reason.”
2. “Here; I’m going to be logical, because I feel like this has all just blown out of proportion. People chose to put pressure on your slot because you made a read, and then you didn’t use any factual evidence to back it up. I know it seemed factual to you, but other people might not have been seeing it the same way you did. While a tonal/meta read is good, it’s better if you can show it it is similar to previous games.”

3.

"I’m a low-poster, this is a tragedy.

What I have so far since A no likes me
B - Slight scumlean - Her insistence on selfmeta and “I’m not scum because I’m not scum” gives me bad vibes. She hasn’t really done anything to help the chat, she just went “CW TIME GET THIS SHIT OFF ME”. Also, that claim was pitiful, and I’m almost hoping that she’s wolf for doing it. - Fun fact, I did this as a wolf in DG&DT for little-to-no reason.

C - Slight scumlean, but the problem here is I’m not seeing B/C as W/W theater - Hasn’t really been providing certifiable™ evidence for their read on B, just saying that it’s just like her scumgames over and over. When not concerning to B, though, they did a read on A, basically saying over and over that he didn’t like what A was doing, while prefacing it all with veto’ing a lynch on them for the day, which just doesn’t make sense.

A - Null - A lot of their posts don’t make sense. Such as going “If B is scum C is town” despite B showing a prowess for W/W Theater in… CFM, I think. They’ve been flip-flopping on B’s position too, and it feels like he’s actively looking for a reason to townread her.

D - Slight scumlean - They haven’t done too much, but their “PL on B” felt heavily opportunistic, and in bad faith, and more like setting up a mislynch and then going “It’s either this or we’re killing the host” like… the fuck?"

4. “I was going off of when it happened, and it was all happening at the same time, forgive me for not going “oh wow even though this is related to what we were talking about before it’s not related to what we were talking about before””
5. “How about someone posts like… any sort of read on me? Notice how five people just randomly voted me with… nothing? Make some sort of case if you want me to defend myself, otherwise it’s just “well I’m Town lol” “no you’re scum lol””
6. “Tone is bad
   Pushes suck
   Progression sucks
   Using key words (incorrectly) to try and validate their reads
   There’s been a lot of resistance on him although very few people are outright saying he’s towny”
7. " well the idea was that you’re his scum buddy… but the idea was that you were J’s scum buddy as well…
   Town can mistakenly hard defend scum, yes. But if you’re going to say there was bussing, who was bussing? The D1 wagon had me, A, B, C, and D at times (that I can remember). Do you think there was a D1 bus attempt? Do you think it’s just out E and F? If you do, why did they choose to vote G over D? Were wagons w/w? Did they just go for towncred when a misexe almost won it for them? There’s much more to this than just stating it, H."
8. “Hmm… looking at the two most recent games of A’s I can find, he’s acting nothing like he did in Corrupt Votes, the caveat here being that in that game he subbed in to a full game D3. I can see the similarities to Game XYZ (with a d1 start) however, and he was town there.”

for your viewing pleasure

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

Should I reveal the answer key?

2/3/4/5/6 all W, the rest was V.

[Aelin]

that’s some Dream Speedrun RNG

[katze]

someone remind me tomorrow/later to make one of these of my own with actual pushes because i think it’d be interesting

[Aelin]

no

[katze]

town or mafia "katze makes reads for most of these" edition

1

still pushing Y blindly; if X is really town here I really don’t believe they’d so blindly tunnel somebody without even trying to justify it, but there’s no rhyme or reason, just aggressive tunneling

if X was really [role] pushing on Y D2, why wouldn’t X cop them? and if they did, they’ve already revealed they have a greencheck…

2

just wondered if you were like me or not, since that’s the kind of thing id subtly try to hint at in a way that if i brought it up later people would be less likely to assume that i made that up on the spot in order to back off safely. but since you didn’t i’m a bit concerned this is just a pocket attempt

3

like right now this is developing into a full on scumread in my head because i just don’t see why the fuck a villager would like that readlist

im not proud of this read but it at the moment it kind of feels right?

4

im pretty sure X is wolfing already

this is actually a serious read

5

i don’t think assuming Y was killed by a town vig is unreasonable at all, because it seems to be somewhat consensus that Y was a ??? kill for wolves to make - if X is a villager why would she assume the kill was by a wolf vig? like, if she’s a wolf you’re probably right here but you’re disregarding the villager perspective here

like, this entire case can easily just be explained by “X is a villager who believes Y was killed by a town vig”

ironically i think the fact that Z basically suicided as vig would be slightly indicative of X not having TMI on them being the vig because of how hard they’re hammering this point here but that’s probably a level -1 thought

6

X pondering over that for the entire game is both probably not W/W and is also independently wolfy

Z/X/Y all free pelts

7

mrrr this looks kinda bologna

i was gonna say “okay but she typoed so they were actually probably tired” but then i realized that the fact im going this far means that i am probably pocketed to some extent regardless of their alignment

8

im flip flopping a bit on X, but i’m leaning towards them being a villager because I think wolf!X would be a bit more scared of me. still think their thought process initially was weird, but that discussion is over

9

the fact nobody has directly commented to that post makes me think the thread is ~mostly villagers right now

its an easy post to reply to and pretend you’re contributing

10

X and Y probably both villagers, feel more strongly about the former but i generally find the excessive antagonistic posting, especially after being yelled at, to be village indicative

realistically Z is exactly rand and you can disregard the earlier read i made

11

i feel like X getting… a lot of flak for those posts

i can’t tell if it’s a natural amount

because i additionally don’t like the posts

i think the town:scum ratio is too towny for me to make a threadread like this though, so i don’t know why my brain is trying to do it

if it wasnt clear i agree with these posts

12

no its all in your wolfrange

so my theory is that you’re deliberately playing in your wolfrange

13

like im reading your ISO

and your reads are fluctuating more than the stock market did in 2008

14

im forcibly vetoing any towncore with X, Y, or Z in it

id be unsurprised if all 3 of them were non-town tbh

15

actually your last few messages feel like they’re leaning towards you not finishing reading so ill just ask this now

why are you a villager?

this is a boring question but like, i’m struggling to see it

now starring 15 posts

will grade your answers later

(some of these are slightly edited as to make it harder to identify the game via typing style/game identifying info)

[Jane]

@katze

like im reading your ISO

and your reads are fluctuating more than the stock market did in 2008

LMAO

[WindwardAway]

Seth is always wolfing regardless of alignment

[Jane]

@katze

still pushing Y blindly; if X is really town here I really don’t believe they’d so blindly tunnel somebody without even trying to justify it, but there’s no rhyme or reason, just aggressive tunneling

if X was really [role] pushing on Y D2, why wouldn’t X cop them? and if they did, they’ve already revealed they have a greencheck…

Wolf

@katze

just wondered if you were like me or not, since that’s the kind of thing id subtly try to hint at in a way that if i brought it up later people would be less likely to assume that i made that up on the spot in order to back off safely. but since you didn’t i’m a bit concerned this is just a pocket attempt

Town

@katze

like right now this is developing into a full on scumread in my head because i just don’t see why the fuck a villager would like that readlist

im not proud of this read but it at the moment it kind of feels right?

Town

@katze

im pretty sure X is wolfing already

this is actually a serious read

Wolf

@katze

i don’t think assuming Y was killed by a town vig is unreasonable at all, because it seems to be somewhat consensus that Y was a ??? kill for wolves to make - if X is a villager why would she assume the kill was by a wolf vig? like, if she’s a wolf you’re probably right here but you’re disregarding the villager perspective here

like, this entire case can easily just be explained by “X is a villager who believes Y was killed by a town vig”

ironically i think the fact that Z basically suicided as vig would be slightly indicative of X not having TMI on them being the vig because of how hard they’re hammering this point here but that’s probably a level -1 thought

Idkze

Town

@katze

X pondering over that for the entire game is both probably not W/W and is also independently wolfy

Z/X/Y all free pelts

Town

@katze

mrrr this looks kinda bologna

i was gonna say “okay but she typoed so they were actually probably tired” but then i realized that the fact im going this far means that i am probably pocketed to some extent regardless of their alignment

I remember what game this is from

also

@katze

she typoed so they

@katze

im flip flopping a bit on X, but i’m leaning towards them being a villager because I think wolf!X would be a bit more scared of me. still think their thought process initially was weird, but that discussion is over

Wolf

@katze

the fact nobody has directly commented to that post makes me think the thread is ~mostly villagers right now

its an easy post to reply to and pretend you’re contributing

Idfkze

Town

@katze

X and Y probably both villagers, feel more strongly about the former but i generally find the excessive antagonistic posting, especially after being yelled at, to be village indicative

realistically Z is exactly rand and you can disregard the earlier read i made

Town

@katze

i feel like X getting… a lot of flak for those posts

i can’t tell if it’s a natural amount

because i additionally don’t like the posts

i think the town:scum ratio is too towny for me to make a threadread like this though, so i don’t know why my brain is trying to do it

if it wasnt clear i agree with these posts

Wolf

@katze

no its all in your wolfrange

so my theory is that you’re deliberately playing in your wolfrange

Wtfze

Wolf

@katze

like im reading your ISO

and your reads are fluctuating more than the stock market did in 2008

Town

@katze

im forcibly vetoing any towncore with X, Y, or Z in it

id be unsurprised if all 3 of them were non-town tbh

Town

@katze

actually your last few messages feel like they’re leaning towards you not finishing reading so ill just ask this now

why are you a villager?

this is a boring question but like, i’m struggling to see it

Wolf

[Jane]

18 Jane posts from 8 different games

Town/Mafnya

Why does this feel like you’re trying to imitate that thing where you question X about how they handle your slot?

Hmm… eh, probably confirmation bias…

unless?

I wasn’t defending him, I was trying to see whether your NE read on him came from TMI. And my push on you is on the basis that you weren’t scumhunting, and that I believe there’s at least 1 scum in X/Y/You.

X and Y still haven’t given much content, so if they don’t do that soon, I’ll probably switch my push to one or both of them.

I’m not going to bother asking why, because I doubt I’ll get a coherent explanation from you either.

Honestly, just fuck off.

I think the most likely convert is X, I don’t see anyone converting Y or Z tbh.
While his D1/D2 wasn’t exactly good, I think he was still in his townmeta back then.

Ahem

Which of the following scenarios do you think is more likely:

a) X is a Villager, and Mafia attacked Y because they did not believe X’s claim.

b) X is a Wolf, and Mafia attacked Y despite X claiming some-kind-of-protective on Y. Either Z did the factional and was blocked or the factional was healed by an unclaimed protective.

c) Z, the slot who has been townlocked for shitty reasons I still don’t understand performed the factional and was blocked.

I know that b and c can realistically be the same world, but can people drop the fucking shield on Z already!?

The VC is basically fucked (As in: We’re not going to be able to lynch today unless a miracle happens) and the day ends in 37 minutes.

Not sure if I’ll be back before EoD, so I’ll have to write this on phone.

Main difference between X’ scumgame on MC here is that on Mc they were trying to deflect suspicion/pressure on them onto other people.

Here they’re bringing more attention to themselves: “If you think I’m scum then case” repeatedly even though nobody was really pressuring them.

I’ll explain the other points when I’m on PC, although that may have to wait until D4.

@X @Y

Can we just delay this mech argument until everyone has been in threat and either confirms or denies involvement in it?

Right now it’s just pure speculation and it’s delaying the thread.

“delaying the thread” was supposed to be “derailing the thread” but that was probably obvious

I don’t think X is groupscum because of Y being groupscum, I just think X is individually scummy.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to assume Cult will be completely gone by D4, but it would be Nice™.

Anyway, I don’t really think I have anything else to say?

X still seems like they’re trying to solve, and didn’t have any big changes in tone nor in reads/activity, so they’re probably still town.

They haven’t really stood on the sidelines of any argument that happened in thread, and always tried to get something out of it.

I also think that them refusing to claim and saying that “it gives out info” when they haven’t been able to use any actions is fairly V!Indactive for them.

Besides, they are at worst a convert, so they should never be the lynch today, especially with Y existing.

The only people who are in the PoE and could’ve healed you are @X and @Y did either of you heal Z?

We’re not pushing inactives.

We’re going through the PoE.

A PoE which you’re not even trying to get out of.

Anyway.

I think (X’s replacement) has been slightly villagery. Not enough for them to be out of my PoE, but definitely better than X.

Y hasn’t posted in forever which is very worrying.

I feel comfortable enough with Z’s slot to put them in my Core.

V is still a villager.

W is still pure PoE.

Hmm… I’m not sure that’s super AI for X.

I vaguely remember them having faked that before, but I might be misremembering. I’ve definitely seen other people convincingly fake it.

Weh

Can you link it?

I can’t really make long explanations right now, because I have to use my phone’s mobile data due to a blackout

I’ve reavaluated on my X scumread, my main read on them was because of their D1 posts. I like the explanation he provided in regards to the “Y agenda”.
@X if you really want to bounty in me/Z please just bounty me, because it’ll be wasted on Z.

I think V said something about not wanting to post long ISOs, but you don’t have to do that. I really want your reads or gut feelings to analyse if you’re scum or town.

W has been typing for a while so I hope that readslist is coming soon.

Still think Q is scum, but that might change depending on what V/W do.

I’ll reread other ISOs right now, but won’t be able to actually ISO them.

X is encouraging people to post more, and his reads are on the same page as mine.
He’s a townlean for me.

Y hasn’t done anything townie yet, hopefully he will later.
Scumleaning him until he actually does something.

I’m sorry if you were expecting a wallpost, I’m just really not in the mood for one right now.

X confuses me.

I’ll probably just sheep Y on them.

Your “logic” just doesn’t make any fucking sense.

Good luckze @katze

I didn’t forget to edit out the names this time

[Arctic]

@ChopChop

I’m a very valuable player when I’m gone

[WindwardAway]

Ah yes, can’t forget that one

[Jane]

@Jane

Good luckze @katze

(or anyone else who wants to try)

[thepigeonnyc]

Guesses

1. Mafnya
2. Town
3. Mafnya
4. Mafnya
5. Mafnya
6. Town
7. Town?
8. Mafnya
9. Town
10. Mafnya
11. Town
12. Mafnya
13. Mafnya
14. Town
15. Mafnya
16. Mafnya
17. Town
18. Mafnya

[Jane]

6/18

[Aelin]

1. W
2. V
3. V
4. W
5. W
6. V
7. V - unconfident
8. W - unconfident
9. W
10. V - unconfident
11. W
12. V
13. V
14. V
15. V
16. W
17. V
18. V

@Jane this makes me realize i really havent played many forum games with you

[Jane]

Also 6/18

[Aelin]

nobody did mine