The Constable / The Saboteur [BD Investigative/Unseen Offensive]

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#1

The Constable

Blue Dragon Investigative

Private Investigation (Night) - Determine how many uses of limited-use abilities your target started with at the beginning of the night. Infinite use
Critical Eye (Night) - Determine whether your target used their first or second ability this night, along with whether they used any day abilities. 2 uses
Defeat the Unseen or Cult, and any Neutrals that seek to do you harm.

The Saboteur

Unseen Offensive

Among Allies (Passive) - If you are redirected to target a member of the Unseen, you will occupy yourself instead.
Sabotage (Night) - Prevent target player from using any Infinite use abilities. Infinite use
Steal (Night) - Drain 1 use from all of target player’s limited use abilities. 2 uses
Defeat the Blue Dragon, and any Neutrals that seek to do you harm.

#2

I feel like this could be pretty hecking strong in some cases

In cult games especially, as every convert goes up to 5 and no BD class is that high except Hunter on the top of my head

If this only includes night abilities I think the number “4” on N1 is only on MM and Fool and “0” is confirmed to not be cultseen (as well as any number that isn’t 1 (assa) 3 (CL) or 5 (2nd cult)) and a “0” at any point of the game is probably not cultseen

but if this includes day abilities there’s probably some other cases where this ability is really good at confirming something.

#3

So, any class without 0 is suspicious?

So explain Sorcerer to me again, how it works and whatnot

#4

if you’re a sorc with a 0 check on you your claims are as follows: Chronomancer, Knight

in fact both of those classes are very common fakeclaims so being able to confirm one as being real is very strong

give me a moment while i compile a list

#5

Chrono with 0 means that it has no PDs left

#6

so day abilities are included?

okay, so your claim as a 0 checked sorcerer is as follows

Knight

an ability that forces people into very specific fakeclaims is strong

sorc gets forced into ONE BD class

#7

So what do you want to suggest as a tweak?

#8
Every class and what numbers it would return; with and without day abilities

Night abilities only, then night + day

BD

Butler 2/3
Chronomancer 0/2
Court Wizard 3/6
Drunk 2/2
Hunter 7/9
Knight 0/0
Maid 3/3
Mystic 2/4
Noble 2/6
Observer 2/2
Paladin 2/2
Physician 2/6
Prince 3/3
Princess 2/2
Sheriff 3/3

Unseen

Alcoholic 2/2
Aristocrat 2/6
Assassin 1/7
Duchess 2/2
Enforcer 5/5
Handmaiden 2/2
Herbalist 5/8
Illusionist 2/6
Mastermind 4/6
Marshal 2/5
Nightwatch 2/2
Poacher 6/6
Sage 2/2
Servant 2/2
Timesnatcher 4/4

Cult

Apostle 5/9
Cult Leader 3/6
Invoker 5/6
Ritualist 5/6
Seeker 5/6

Neutrals

Alchemist 2/5
Fool 4/4
Inquisitor 3/3
Mercenary ?/? (not sure how brilders would be handled here)
Possessor 2/5
Pretender 2/6
Reaper ?/? (not sure how souls would be handled here)
Scorned 2/4
Sellsword 0/0
Sorcerer 0/0

just making this for future reference

probably at least 1 error given i did 99% of this off of memory

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#9

Souls and Brilders would count as 1 use for our purposes

#10

Ho lee shiet

#11

On second thought, this ability would probably be pretty confusing for newer players to work with

#12

Some concerning numbers:

0: On N1, This can only be Knight, Sorcerer, or Sellsword, and beyond that is still very likely one of these 3.
5: On N1, a 5 can only be Possessor.
6: A 6 on N1 or N2 can really only be a Court Wizard (who might swap N1), Physician (who probably exhumes/inocs D2) Mastermind (who very likely doesn’t foresight N1, LB D2 might become meta) a Noble, or any cult that isn’t Apostle.
7: This can only be an Assassin, an Herbalist who has used one ability, or a Hunter who has used two.
8: Mechconfirmed Hunter, Herbalist, or Apostle lol
9: Mechconfirmed Hunter or Apostle lol

Like, literally any number above 4 is most likely not BD as well. And in a Cult game? This class becomes a Paladin essentially.

Although to be honest, I still think Maid/Observer would be stronger than this, but this class can find things N1 that only can be rivaled by an Observer

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#13

Maid/Obs have more counterplay to their results

“I didn’t match the Prince because I’m a Drunk, and royals don’t match”
“Yes, I visited 7, I was checking him”
“ok so Scorned confirmed in game then”

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#14

So what if it received one of 3 results:

“Your target has no uses of limited use abilities!”
“Your target has few (1-3) uses of limited use abilities!”
“Your target has many (4+) uses of limited use abilities!”

#15

something along these lines would be better but now we’re looking at “how do we make this ability not suck”

#16

How about instead of counting abilities left we instead count limited use abilities used and resolve it at the end of the night instead of the beginning?

#17

That sounds like a better idea, actually.

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#18

Any problems with Critical Eye?

#19

It’s a bit redundant given the first ability.

You don’t strictly NEED to change it, but I’d recommend using a different ability anyways

#20

This class mainly works to catch liars when they say they used specific abilities on some nights.