The Mastermind Fake-Claim Problem

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#21

That’s why it’s risky.
And that’s why Noble is an unusual claim. But not COMPLETELY UNVIABLE like you’re trying to make it look like

#22

Yes it is “completely unviable” in the sense that its success relies on pure luck and nothing more.

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#23

Depends on how well you can convince the court and which players are in the game. It’s not RNG-based thus not pure luck.

I’m here for a debate, not for pseudoarguments

#24

Bro, try claiming “i don’t want to waste my force-vote” next time someone asks you to confirm you are Noble. If it works, you got lucky the court is packed with noobs.

#25

That’s why it’s risky.

And that’s why Noble is an unusual claim. But not COMPLETELY UNVIABLE like you’re trying to make it look like

#26

This only works against complete morons. At times the entire court will want you to use it.

Extremely circumstantial, and requires that a dead Noble used the ability and you voted the same way as them.

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#27

It is unviable. You’re essentially relying on the court being a bunch of morons for it to work.

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#28

This only works against complete morons. At times the entire court will want you to use it.

That’s why it’s risky.

And that’s why Noble is an unusual claim. But not COMPLETELY UNVIABLE like you’re trying to make it look like

Extremely circumstantial, and requires that a dead Noble used the ability and you voted the same way as them.

That’s why it’s risky.

And that’s why Noble is an unusual claim. But not COMPLETELY UNVIABLE like you’re trying to make it look like

#29

Er, did you mention why being unable to use your day abilities stops you from getting exed?

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#30

The success of the Noble claim relies on how desesperate is the court, how good at “adding fuel” or incriminating someone else you or your comrades are and their game experience as well. For most part it won’t really work if it’s the start of a new day, it’ll just buy you some 30 seconds. That’s why it’s an unusual claim.
The point of the topic is not about how good a Noble claim is anyway, it’s about how many claiming options the MM have. Subtracting Noble from the number isn’t a great deal.

#31

from what ive seen, force voting convinces the court easier than CPing whispers

#32

As FK says, you can claim mystic even as MM

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#33

I did that one day. People found me quickly because I just contacted dead people :^}
“Link me to comprove yourself”
WHOOPS LOOKS LIKE HE DIED highfives assa

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#34

Also I have another question if I can.
Why Alchemist and Mercenary weren’t included as available fake claims?

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#35

Have to contact your buddies :wink:

#36

If the court is dumb enough not to verify a claim then the court is dumb enough to be fooled by less

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#37

Same. Even won-already Scorned, gamethrowing/bad Fool or Inquisitor (very least likely) can do sometimes.

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#38

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#39

If the court is dumb enough to let that fly then see above

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#40

I was only talking about BD classes. If we include neutrals then even Fool is a decent fake claim, at least in my experience, once Prince is dead.