The Silencer (Neutral Investigative)

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Alright I’m here :eyes::eyes::eyes: lemme read

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I honestly don’t have any sort of super helpful feedback to give that I haven’t already given to you on discord. Braincell 0 moment ig

wtf

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Compulsive Suicidal Claimvig Survivor

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can you say that again

I read the words

but I cannot bring myself to process them

Compulsive Suicidal Claimvig Survivor that also has a Daycop

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What’s wrong with my class?

@Trochilidae Do you have feedback?

There’s the problem that it’s completely screwed if nobody claims D1/D2

And realistically people just hold off the claim train until D3 to make Silencers kill themself

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Kill the D1 neuts. Use your type cop.

The D1 neuts won’t claim

Your type cop isn’t absolute

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hmmm
i’m not a big fan of survivor neuts in general tbh and i can’t see why this wincon would be put on an investigative neut specifically.
yes it has the 3-shot DI (which i think should be 2-shot imo) to help it live i just think the class isn’t very cohesive as a whole

also it’s formatted a bit oddly but that’s not a real criticism

i don’t normally review classes though so take this with a grain of salt

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Ooooo Aaaaaa, a guide is replying with a huge wallpost!

i don’t remember if i’ve actually said anything about this class yet

i think ive only thought about it

but basically

the goal it sets out to achieve (being an effective form of mitigating massclaim) is achieved so well that the class probably ends up countering itself by existing

in the same vein that “princess exists; claim in class type” – “the silencer exists; don’t claim until D3”

it becomes a dog eat dog world except this class is both dogs

while i think this passive makes sense to prevent games from having an absurd amount of killpower, i also think it becomes slightly problematic because there’s so few neutrals left to spawn (the 2nd/3rd neutral slots are always Merc/Sellsword/Fool/Scorned, and the former twos’ existence is usually pretty obvious somewhat early)

i’m gonna assume for sanitys sake that Specials will appear as Investigative here, because hardconfirming someone as MM/CL with a daycop on a neutral is definitely not something anyone wants to see

i personally think both neutral cops and daycops in general don’t really belong in ToL and this ability doing both is mildly disgusting

this class existing would probably bring back the enhanced paranoia pretender used to bring, except on an even higher level because daycops don’t have the potential downsides of being occupied/redirected, targeting a dead person, or being effected by tailors (since neutrals aren’t effected by frames)

which in simple terms means this has even less counterplay than pretender does, and is arguably even stronger (checking for exact class typing is probably stronger than type pairing + royal blood, because socials aren’t going to fakeclaim Noble very often other than Apostle (who commonly claims Support classes anyway) and Drunk is an uncommon fakeclaim, which leaves S/Is claiming Princess as the real exception here)

in simple terms i think a neutral daycop limits scum fakeclaims even more than pretender did and one of the only things that this does better than pretender is that it announces itself as not being in the game if a Alch/Inq exists and also isn’t permanently death immune

how does this ability interact with being jailed? does this class just die?

if not then this class outting and getting jailed N2 and killing in PoE N4 could honestly be a viable strategy and make this class super BD sided (and if it just dies in jail N2 then that’s probably for the better)

the fact that the NK is sometimes unidentifiable between Sorc/Possessor is probably the saving grace from this being absurd but it’s still a bit ridiculous how easily this class can sweep evils and the PoE for BD, with the only counterplay being “claim in your class type and be convincing” which isn’t exactly helpful for the NK who is now forced to claim exactly Knight or Hunter

also it’s a survivor neut

which i understand your intention here but it having the exact same wincon as alch is boring

although the fact it’s forced to actually take initiate makes this less of a crime than it would be otherwise


tldr:

no my name is katze

No they will not. Too UP if they do.

I think the ability should be usable in jail.

i could probably say this in a lot of words but i’m lazy so i’ll say it in few

no

an exact class type check during the day is not even close to underpowered if Specials show up as Investigative

Specials showing up as Special is unbalanced as hell

i promise you that my take here isn’t controversial in the slightest in case you think this is just me being wrong

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Changes pending soon :tm:: Adding a 1-shot suicide survival in order to make this class easier. Putting this class on the class slate.

I meant that it can’t spawn with both.