ToS Mafia - Day 8 - (3/19) [Town wins!]

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#4688

As much as I love mechanics you’re probably right

#4689

Okay, who wants me to walk you through this logic.

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#4690

please

#4691

Please

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#4692

Please

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#4693

Okay, let’s start from… start.

First thing is to think is… what actions could mafia do last night.

First is only known role - Capo.
They could either retrain other mafia (case 1) (not self, cause they would flip new role) or carry out the kill (case 2).

Case 2 - It is obviously conflicting with Marshal saying that Arete killed Derps.

So Case 2 - Marshal is scum

Case 1 -
This is more difficult.

Since we assume that Katze retrained someone, that means second mafia member was roleblocked and third was carrying out the kill.
Now… we have a claim from Bep that they were “healed from kill” so… prankster.

If we take that Bep was pranked, there is no way that Cheese could roleblock me as consort, cause there would be… no space for it. (Mafia actions being: Retrain, being retrained, kill, prank)

Aka…

Case 2 - Cheese is town

Now case 2 has small if wich is if Bep was really pranked. Tho I see no point in claiming weird shit like that as scum, so it’s most likely true (?)

But now let’s add this against each other.

We had 2 cases, which one of them should be truth.

Case 1 OR Case 2.

Aka

Marshal is scum OR Cheese is town.
At least one of those is truth.

Aka cheese cannot be scum AND marshal cannot be town at the same time.

So if let’s say we lynch Marshal and he flips town… Cheese will be confirmed town (still depending on Bep, but yeah)
If we lynch Cheese and he flips mafia, that means Marshal is always mafia (depending on… nothing?)

That’s my conclusion.

#4694

Isn’t there 4 scum though

#4695

What if Capo didn’t retrain?

#4696

This depends on Bepwei telling the truth. I think it’s likely but I don’t understand why prankster randomly gives someone attacked but healed message.

#4697

It could be entirely possible that Capo just didn’t retrain because they would be retraining some power role.

What if Arete was Framed?

#4698

A - Katze retrained someone
B - Katze carried out the kill

A v B

Case 2:
C - Marshal saw arete kill Derps
B => ~C

Case 1:
D - Cheese is a consort who roleblocked me
E - Bep was pranked

A => (~D <=> E)

Results:

A v B

(~D <=> E) v ~C

Either Marshal did not see Arete kill Derps
or
Cheese is not a consort who roleblocked me if and only if Bep was pranked

Aka either Marshal lied or Cheese is not consort (under Bep prank condition)

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#4699

Why does A or B have to happen?

#4700

Then why would random mafia who did something kill, instead of someone who did… nothing.

#4701

i think marshal lied

#4702

so eevee, i heard you liked hoi4, what’s your favorite country to play as

#4703

Again, why would Katze not perform a kill if they didn’t retrain anyone.

#4704

San Salvador and Australia

#4705

weird choice but ok

#4706

I mean, Lookout is a role that exists.

#4707

So you are advocating for Cheese to actually be able to be scum.

Then it still makes no sense, cause if they roleblocked me, why would they expect a lookout around.