Umineko FM: Turn of the Golden Witch - Game Over - Wolves Win

[Chloe]

wait THATS the part you disliked?

i dont even think that interaction is particularly AI

but one sec

[Chloe]

@YoubutWorse

he was active in the first 9er I played with him, he was scum

every other game I’ve played with him he’s been fairly inactive and has been town (I believe)

therefore my hard read on him is that he cares way more about the game if hes maf, and therefore posts more.

if i’m right btw i deserve a medal

@YoubutWorse

sorry for not being around, this EoD time kinda sucks for me and I forgot I wouldnt be around for it so I didn’t vote. anyway time to do stuff

also

@an_gorta_pratai

that’s a bad way to read me if we are being honest

@an_gorta_pratai

Can we stop with the “activity” = AI for me bs?

@YoubutWorse

therefore my hard read on him is that he cares way more about the game if hes maf, and therefore posts more.

if i’m right btw i deserve a medal

@astand

They were:

oh nevermind my mind was jumbled
i thought there was more to it
im hallucinating

[Marluxion]

@an_gorta_pratai

I want to say I made that mistake once and Wind was town (not discounting your entire read, just this part)

@an_gorta_pratai

this is legitimately bad reasoning to SR Appel from my experience

@an_gorta_pratai

my read on YBW did change slightly earlier and I think he’s a bit more towny from his reply to my question from my point of view

@an_gorta_pratai

did Derps just openwolf?

@an_gorta_pratai

Chloe helped it get off the ground, therefore it’s Chloe’s pelt

of gorta’s interactions these stood out the most to me

[Marluxion]

the second post is a typo and meant to say windward
he was talking to appel

[Marluxion]

bottom post he’s talking about light

[Marluxion]

gorta talks to nightingale a whopping 0 times in his iso

[Marluxion]

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t know how to read appel too well

actually this is all he says to her

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t see how that would pass review

and this

[Chloe]

idk how to read spew glgl

1 thing i noticed is that he

1. buddied up to me
2. townread cheese against consensus
3. townread crich (so definitely noticed the mason shit)

slight pattern that might indicate wolf theatrics within his scumreads

but im absolutely doodoo at spew

[Marluxion]

@YoubutWorse if you scumread gorta why did you not push him

[ChopChop]

@Appelsiini

Okay so, before Gorta’s flip happened, I actually thought Shurian/Wind were a plausible scumteam given how adamant Shurian was when it came to towncoring Wind for whatever reason. I didn’t quite understand it and I still don’t, so I’ll just proceed to see how Wind handles this day since this is where she should shine the most.

Reads/Thoughts

I’m reluctantly liking Marl for the way he’s been handling the thread so far, even if he’s bullying me
Wind seems to have a mix of cautiousness and wallposts which is… amusing?
Chloe hasn’t really been up to the thread, so I’d put her as a townlean as of now
Light is Light, from reading the wagonomics earlier, we can conclude that he’s most certainly not a groupscum, but apart from that, I don’t know what to think about him anymore
Seth claimed. Marl, stop treating claims as clearing in a closed setup, bleh.

Also yes, I shot Derps, and there’s a reason for it.

My original vig PoE looked like this:

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Seth
Night
Spak
YBW

But the problem with this is that most of these are just… people who haven’t just been active? They barely have content, and it just feels wrong to put all the low-posters in PoE just because it’s hard to read them. Night is sick, Spak hasn’t really existed at all, and I have a hard time reading both Seth and Derps, like I said yesterday.
So I tried to think about it more, and was met with this:

Eli
Seth
Derps
Spak

I admit I’m giving Night a slight caveat because of their physical state, but I took a look at YBW’s interactions with Gorta and came to a conclusion that they’re probably not W/W?
I have basically nothing for Spak/Eli, and Seth I believe was suspected by people. Eli is an easy one to read because of his activity tells, but I believe they claimed a cop before so meh.

One may wonder why Derps is here despite being “cleared” because of their claim, but when I thought about it, there are a bunch of possibilities that involve him being a wolf. There’s literally… nothing that stops it from being a joke? There’s nothing that stops him from planning out beforehand what his role would be? And I think the fact that Marl was so eager to clear him is stupid, and it’d be easier to just shoot him and focus on those that aren’t acting scummy 100% percent of the time regardless of alignment

Call it a hero shot if you will
But it was gonna be a good one

Ugggghhhh. By Bolded you mean YBW?

[ChopChop]

Or did you actually mean Derps but mention him weirdly.
Eh whatever.

[Marluxion]

WAIT
I found the holy grail
the ultimate spew

This post reveals that the scum gorta was hiding was...

@an_gorta_pratai

I’m going to watch some anime,

Katze. We all know Katze would never approve of anime.

[Chloe]

i have notes on gorta spew but i have no clue what posts they are
(can quickly jump to them with #)

uhhh
P#1612
hops on the ‘did derps openwolf?’ train when he sees it picked up steam
seems opportunistic

P#2285
weirdass shade in an attempt to get me to sus min

P#2349
extremely weak reason to scumread derps and reads like straight-up agenda

Number of interactions with Light makes me lean villa there. Wolves without a ton of experience (might be underestimating gorta but shrug) tend to find it difficult to consistently interact with buddies and not come across as fake. Nothing felt very theatrical.

(and finally, a note about how spew looks bad for cheese, but im gunna forget this exists)

[ChopChop]

Just usually when you put down peeps you mention all of them and don’t jump to someone else like Derps. But I suppose if you want to compare them to me I guess I can accept that.

[ChopChop]

But only to the extent of hard to read

[ChopChop]

Honestly sometimes I just don’t read stuff that well.

[Appelsiini]

@Chloe

can you point to some places where you got the feeling that they could be w/w

Quotes

@Shurian

I didnt bother reading Wind as they’re fairly straightforward to push later if they are scum ngl

@Shurian

If you are ISOing Wind, please do note the scum game actually only starts around D4~5

One of the few mentions of Wind was when Shurian kind of… spent time saying how they shouldn’t be read until later on. They did put them as a null accordingly, so I really didn’t think much of that.

More quotes

@WindwardAway

tbh I think your accuracy on the salty lmao tell is probably like my accuracy in falling asleep and then having a dream about who the potential scumteam is

(ftr the accuracy is 50% because one time I was wrong and one time I was right, i.e., shouldn’t rely on it as indicative of anything)

@Shurian

Marl
Now I see Wind town

@Shurian

WindwardAway - Towncore

This is what pinged me a lot, and I even tried to question Shurian about it, but they were unwilling to share their thought process or why it would make any sense whatsoever to say someone is unreadable until ~D4 and then put them in your towncore

@Chloe

what does ‘the way he’s been handling the thread so far’ entail

The way he’s just… going about things? For example, the way he set up his questions and tried to probe an answer without giving away any info about his ability (before Seth came in, apparently) felt like how a villager would handle someone they suspected
They seem to be kind of leading the thread, although I disagree with some of his reads and the way he’s trying to narrate things to make my actions scummy which is very irritating
But also the way he jumped on Gorta’s wagon like a champ kind of locks him for me because
Who does that
No one does that

@Chloe

expandus?

Q Q Quotes

@an_gorta_pratai

earlier I didn’t have any gth reads, but I’m really not liking light and YBW’s read on Chloe seems weird in my opinion

@an_gorta_pratai

I initially scum read YBW for that initial read on Chloe, but I like his response, so town lean for now

@an_gorta_pratai

@an_gorta_pratai

when I get up in a few hours or so I want to discuss this

@Shurian

YBW is null~scum

and these

Setting aside YBW shading Gorta as a joke, I don’t think Gorta usually puts this much negative attention to a low-posting teammate that isn’t really in need of it. When Shurian did talk about their read, he wasn’t defending them either. It’s a thin read, but I was trying my best to form a good PoE.

@Chloe

i think eli is town
not for activity though
for mindset/attitude/tone/(partially his claim)

do you still maintain your scumread (or lack of townread) on derps atm?

Yup, I do^^
I see Eli has existed again
I’ll take a closer look at him at some point

[Appelsiini]

…No? I meant Derps. I said the same thing yesterday, those are the people I can’t read because their actions aren’t logical

Your actions aren’t logical

[Marluxion]

My yeet pool is still Nightingale / Appel methinks

[Marluxion]

Appel flipping scum clears derps which is a nice bonus