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we could just not hammer
that way people who arent awake rn, and have important info could share
we could also not hammer because its generally a bad idea
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Is PKR possible to be a wolf
they provided information that hammered the appel wagon over mine
but also the fact that they did that isnāt intentional
will evaluate more once I get to their ISO but probably dropping them a tier or two for now
claim?
i dont wanna wait 24 hours to hammer iām multitabling like stretch armstrong and i just wanna win
Hey Iām here now! Was getting dinner lol.
I have a wallpost to paste, gimme a minute
I didnāt get to finish the last few slots I wanted to look at but this is what I had time for:
Thoughts on PKR:
I came up with a tinfoil theory on PKR after Lightās town flip, and I feel it has enough merit that I should mention it now. My accusation on him was literally based on PKRās information that there had been two failed night kills, both of which occurred when I RBād Light. So I wondered, if I know for a fact that I RBād Light, and Lightās role had absolutely no KP, why does the information not match up?
D3 final vote count
PKR gave information that, along with mine, guaranteed that we yeeted Light. But PKR never voted Light, despite what I considered incriminating evidence against him. His treatment of Lightās slot was kind of vague.
So I started thinking that the reason PKR knows about āfailed killsā is actually because he has been failing kills, or else is an arsonist and has been outing his douse targets instead. Shurian is an easy āfailed killā to fake, as Shurian being targeted twice in a night still only means he dies a maximum of once. A second kill could have therefore succeeded and not failed, or Shurian could have been a douse target who died before they could be ignited. Eli, because heās the cop proxy, is a very good kill target for both wolves and an arsonist. But since my RB apparently didnāt prevent a kill, itās looking more likely that he was the arsonistās douse target (unless the arsonist doused exactly Derps and Chloe and ignited them both on N2).
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I donāt find anything wrong with his defense of himself, but Iām not sure if I agree that including PKR in the PoE was totally illogical. Then again, Iām saying this in hindsight because I really didnāt know why Night included him in the PoE at that point so lol.
So hereās all of PKRās mech information on the failed kills. When I cased Light, I used PKRās information as proof that my RBing Light must mean he had failed two kills (and now I guess I should remember that ācorrelation does not equal causationā). I incorrectly used a correlation to push Light, and PKR didnāt have too much to say about it. Light had something to say about it, but looking back at that point in the thread, nobody really had anything to say about my roleblock except for GGhana who took the opportunity to hard push Light (which heād been doing since D1, so it really didnāt surprise me).
When GGhana hopped into the thread, his interaction with Light was pretty interesting to watch. PKR and I were both present but staying on the sidelines, and Marl showed up briefly as well. But after that, PKR didnāt really make too many other comments. He did say that Lightās flavor claim made sense with his role claim (although I guess we also established not to rely on flavor claims since the OP says they can be misleading), so I guess it means he didnāt totally doubt that Light could be town. But he didnāt really give an opinion, either, and neither did he give a take on whether he thought I was truthfully claiming to have roleblocked Light. He didnāt really question it, nor did he have any comments on the whole interaction between Light/me or Light/GGhana. I donāt know if I should see that as alarming, but it doesnāt really seem like he was trying to solve there.
The odd thing is that D1 and D2 I felt were very strong indications that PKR was just town, something that I donāt usually conclude so quickly from his slot in other games. I donāt think I was too quick to jump to conclusions (although by D2 I was convinced enough to just sheep Marl on his PKR read if I had any remaining doubts), but D3 doesnāt look quite as towny, primarily because of his treatment of Lightās slot and that Light flipped town with no weird modifiers. The unaccounted failed kills really ping me as off, and since the information against Light only came from PKR and me, and I know for a fact that I did RB Light, either PKR is lying about the missing kills, or thereās a non-town who has been stopping the extra kills and hasnāt claimed their role.
Thoughts on YBW:
The only other player I think could possibly be the arsonist is actually YBW because he would know to fake claim as a firefighter. Occamās Razor states that this is more likely the case than PKR being arsonist, but on the other hand I donāt really know why a douse would count as a failed kill. Light was right when he pointed that out; I didnāt really understand what he was saying at first but itās because I assumed the dousing happened during the day and the ignition would be at night. If dousing happens at night, however, the arsonist has probably not attempted to ignite yet because they were waiting until they had enough people doused. But if itās really just YBW, where is PKRās failed kill count coming from? If YBW isnāt town, I think heās just scum and not an arsonist because of PKRās information. I donāt think he hasnāt done any solving in the game, but he hasnāt put in too much effort, either.
I did a full ISO on YBW but it got deleted while I was drafting this because I refreshed the page, and I donāt feel like redoing it so Iāll summarize my points instead (weh).
I believe YBW is most likely a firefighter, but I think it could go either way in terms of alignment. Because of the way he reacted to Nightās hardclaim of arsonist earlier on (when she burned herself accidentally with a match and made an arsonist joke), it indicates he knew already that there was an actual arsonist in the game, along with GGhana (who has a 1-shot firefighter action). I was wondering why both of them took her joke claim so seriously and called it openwolfing, but once they claimed their roles it made a lot more sense.
I wasnāt a fan of how he correctly activity read Gorta and then credited himself with it on D2, but I could consider it NAI as Iāve also seen him credit himself with a correct redcheck in SFoL 65 as town, and it might just be a YBW thing lol.
What I donāt like in YBWās ISO is that he entered the thread on D2, said Seth seemed pretty towny so heād rather look at Appelsiini since she seemed scummier, then moved Seth to null (which is fine) but then said Appel is a little towny and a little scummy, and left her slot alone until he came back at EoD. He proposed voting out Night instead, as he thought she was scummier than Appel, but once he was filled in on the claims, he said he believed Nightās claim of tracker miller more than Appelās claim of being prince, and offered to sheep his vote onto Appel (which is probably just NAI). On D3, however, he went back to saying he wanted Night out over Light, so he must have changed his mind on believing Nightās claim again. He had both Night and Light in his PoE, which was fine, but he said Light would be a policy.
The false redcheck:
The other topic I want to discuss is why Spak/Eli got a redcheck on Light. His role isnāt a Miller and it is indeed a bizarrely purple town card (which really annoys me but whatever). @Spak, do you know if you wouldāve been notified if you had been redirected to another target? I know the results you got on N1 were obviously blocked, but I want to narrow down the mechanics if you can detect whether the checked target was still your original target.
Weāre either looking at a redirector, bus driver, or framer, as Light said in his legacy post. As you know, I was on Light N1 and N2 because I was RBing him. If anyone investigated me last night after my major fuck-up of a mech solve, you should be able to clear me (I did RB someone again but I wonāt claim it just yet, in case a tracker/watcher wants to verify).
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Yesā¦
You know the typical arsonist.
A small girl who enjoys believing in magic and the occult
I still have reason to have said there were missing kills.
And I stand by that D1, there were 4 kills.
what if there isnt an arsonist, ybw is a wolf, astand is trolling ghana, and wolves either have 1. pkr or 2. a second factional ākillā that actually does nothing