[VFM] A Hat in Time Cop13er - Town Wins!

[Cream]

@Centuries

W Pigeon

don’t call pigeon V for his post even calling him =rand is an insult when I’ve seen him do the exact same thing literally in the last game ive read and he was wolf

Does he do it as town too? If so, then I think it’s NAI.

Posting and disappearing is always not a good look. But I mean, people can disappear for a multitude of reasons. Last game I played, someone voted at SOD and disappeared and got scumread for it. But they were town and just had to step away from the computer for IRL reasons.

Also, I feel like wolves wouldn’t intentionally choose to post and poof. The behavior is glaringly scummy, and I don’t see why a wolf would choose to start the game off on the wrong foot with behavior that they know they are going to get questioned for. You mention that pigeon did it last game too, which does give me pause for thought.

To me, pigeon is kinda just pure null right now.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

Bold of you to expect I paid so much attention I’d take notice of some secret gambit against thepigeonnyc, if that’s really what you were doing

In other words, I actually still don’t get it. If you were doing a gambit, then point it out to me in baby steps. I’m too tired for this.

I try to take the game easier and the first interaction I have with someone turns out to have had a gambit I both missed and ruined (apparently?).

And I still get called a tryhard (by Cream).

I weep.

[Chloe]

@Vulgard

…How did you expect me to pick up that? To be fair, I’m making a mistake by even posting right now, but still.

I’m impatient but the crux of it is that Vulgard used incorrect grammar here in “How do you expect me to pick up that?” which shows he isn’t carefully thinking through and proof-reading his posts as I’d expect from wolfgard

But it’s apparently correct grammar lol

[Centuries]

ok vul so basically had you not posted the pigeon post next time id come into thread i wouldve went

@Cream

Regarding Vulgard, I don’t think it’s extremely alignment indicative. Upon first read, it sounds kind of try hard, like a wolf trying to hard to be chill and normal. That vote on lili is… um weird and kinda out of nowhere. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think for a vote to count, you need to tag the hosts. So Vulgard bothering to bold the vote but not actually ping the hosts kinda feels like a wolf testing the waters (?). Dunno. I don’t think it’s much in the end, and part of me could just see the whole entrance coming from a villager who is just here to chill. GTH I would say wolf but overall, would prob need to see more.

obvious villager

@Vulgard

But then I realized it might not be that at all, and a wolf going from “Vulgard is >rand W” to “Chloe’s W read on Vulgard is questionable” is more of a villagery thing to do progression-wise. Might as well help Chloe arouse early suspicion around my slot regardless of her alignment of you’re a w!Centuries, right? It’s helpful. And I think it’d fit Centuries’ wolf play pattern more.

So, basically, him meandering and stumbling from his early treatment of me toward how he’s treating Chloe’s arguments right now is villagery, I think. It’s a strange progression to have if you’re a wolf. To voice mild suspicion around my slot, and then move toward suspecting the next person suspicious of my slot… it’s like he was trying to jebait someone into suspecting me? And that’s… a weird thing to do if you’re a wolf kickstarting the game?

Admittedly, I’m not really considering the “wolf theater” option, but yeah.

obvious villager

@Chloe

I believe that you planned on doing this
You left the crumbs for it as well

Think its kinda villagery

villagery

(whatever alice posts = firm read from me)

but now im like

“if pigeon is a wolf your post sucked”

and like obviously cop setup it doesnt really matter but whatever

[Vulgard]

Every time Cream posts something, I have them as harder and harder V.

I almost said “n0 Cream,” then I remembered my role. And then I remembered it was a Cop 13er.

[Vulgard]

Why did I even post this.

[Centuries]

@Vulgard

I almost said “n0 Cream,” then I remembered my role. And then I remembered it was a Cop 13er.

fuck is this vulgard

[Alice]

@Vulgard

@Centuries

@Chloe

I’ve called multiple wolves out for their openers in the past so I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement

doesn’t mean much
I’m sure you’ve been wrong in the past about wolfy openers
Moreover there’s “openers” 200 posts into thread and then there’s 2nd poster in the game

Too textbook Shrugze

He’s attacking the reasoning by claiming it’s textbook, and immediately mentions the possibility of Chloe being wrong, even when she hasn’t even gone anywhere with this yet.

He’d just floated the idea of me being >rand W for my opening string of posts, but when Chloe starts agreeing with him, he turns it around on her.

At first I thought Centuries was TMIng me V here. Judging by his earlier posts about me, he doesn’t have a reason to go after Chloe, because Chloe’s pushing me in the game’s first hour. She’s pushing someone he’d suspected, if only a bit. Why push her in subtle retaliation?

But then I realized it might not be that at all, and a wolf going from “Vulgard is >rand W” to “Chloe’s W read on Vulgard is questionable” is more of a villagery thing to do progression-wise. Might as well help Chloe arouse early suspicion around my slot regardless of her alignment of you’re a w!Centuries, right? It’s helpful. And I think it’d fit Centuries’ wolf play pattern more.

So, basically, him meandering and stumbling from his early treatment of me toward how he’s treating Chloe’s arguments right now is villagery, I think. It’s a strange progression to have if you’re a wolf. To voice mild suspicion around my slot, and then move toward suspecting the next person suspicious of my slot… it’s like he was trying to jebait someone into suspecting me? And that’s… a weird thing to do if you’re a wolf kickstarting the game?

Admittedly, I’m not really considering the “wolf theater” option, but yeah.

This is very jumbled.

n0 Vulgard.

Vul’s probably just a villa, tbfh.

This wall feels far more like an actual fluid thought on his approach to baguette’s slot rather than just stiff commentary like I’ve seen in the PSYC 2310. Don’t think this is likely to be within his wolfrange from experience with him, tho.

[Centuries]

@Cream

Posting and disappearing is always not a good look. But I mean, people can disappear for a multitude of reasons. Last game I played, someone voted at SOD and disappeared and got scumread for it. But they were town and just had to step away from the computer for IRL reasons.

Also, I feel like wolves wouldn’t intentionally choose to post and poof. The behavior is glaringly scummy, and I don’t see why a wolf would choose to start the game off on the wrong foot with behavior that they know they are going to get questioned for. You mention that pigeon did it last game too, which does give me pause for thought.

nah like the dude as wolf actually has wolfy pop ins its not like me going “evil lurker >:(” it’s actually a real thing

[Centuries]

@Alice

n0 Vulgard.

Vul’s probably just a villa, tbfh.

wtf alice

[Chloe]

Vul’s posts have gotten a lot better

Comfortable w/ him as a v-lean atm

[Chloe]

conroy ignore them

[Alice]

…do I have to link what I said irt peeks?

[Chloe]

Can we stop with peek talk.

[Cream]

The dumbest, most incorrect, most big brain read I can get from that post is that Centuries and Vulgard are scumbuddies doing scum theater. Centuries wants to RT pigeon in an attempt to come off as a solve-y town. But Vulgard didn’t get the memo.

[Chloe]

This doesn’t come from someone in scumchat

[Centuries]

guys ftr after champs semis im 200% villager here because i wouldve negative wim if i randed wolf here btw

[Vulgard]

@Chloe

I’m impatient but the crux of it is that Vulgard used incorrect grammar here in “How do you expect me to pick up that?” which shows he isn’t carefully thinking through and proof-reading his posts as I’d expect from wolfgard

But it’s apparently correct grammar lol

I kinda just want to say this is always V Chloe because her approach here is from a super unorthodox angle and I see her as a rather formulaic wolf (generally good fake reads but never unorthodox like this).

But I’m not comfortable enough.

Also, now that Centuries explained his gambit to me I actually like it less. I think what he described is within his wolfrange and/or potentially even decide-able pregame. But I’m probably not in the right mindset to think about this rn.

[Alice]

@Vulgard

Explain your read on Cream for me?

So far they kind of feel eh for me as they look a bit too cautious when it came to handling Pidgeon’s slot.

[Chloe]

/vote Alice @EliThePsycho