[VFM] A Hat in Time Cop13er - Town Wins!

[clonedcheese]

@Psyx

Who are you ok with yeeting, then?

/vote ruri

[Marluxion]

alice i think your cloned read is like really really bad

[clonedcheese]

Does this mean u agree with me or is this the usual “cloned being weird so town”

[Marluxion]

no it means i think your analysis is deeper than it would be as a wolf
also you wouldn’t defend wolfmate emilia like this, it’s common sense to bus her into the dirt
so you’re probably just town

[Mistyx]

i think all of this is reasonably fakeable and emilia’s posts today are not good

[Mistyx]

i also like

really hated vul’s push on zone

[EliThePsycho]

Votecount

Voted	Voters	Count
Emilia	Alice, Marluxion, Ruri	3/6
Ruri	clonedcheese	1/6
Not voting	Centuries, Lil, Psyx, Emilia, Mistyx	5

Ping Arctic and Eli if there are any errors.

Day ends in ~6 1/2 hours.

[clonedcheese]

@Mistyx

i think all of this is reasonably fakeable and emilia’s posts today are not good

you’re reasonably fakable

Could you explain the “not good” posts

[LiLi041]

@clonedcheese

Could you explain the “not good” posts

Emilia’s done nothing all day, when they subbed in, they acted clueless- like “I don’t know anything”, when she did know some things, and it felt like she was trying to underplay how much she knew when I questioned her. IDK why town would pretend to know nothing like that

[LiLi041]

basically tl;dr the “know nothing” felt like a cover/excuse to not do anything

like why did I have to be the one to ask her for her already existing read on Alice and prod her to look at EOD2 or at least recall what she remembered of it since she did say she read some of it

she just looked like she didn’t want to be involved at all tbh

[LiLi041]

also what I’m getting from this is:

1. you SR Ruri and think they aren’t W/W so Vulgard’s town

2. Vulgard shows no agenda so town

for point 1…
I’d still rather flip Vulgard first and reconsider Ruri if Vulgard’s town

for point 2, I kinda don’t agree
mainly bc in the past, I’ve gotten TRed for not “showing agenda” as wolf and I think depending on the player, not all wolves play with agendas so like

unless Vulgard’s meta says they are agenda-y as wolf I don’t think it’s a very valid point

[LiLi041]

@LiLi041

agendas

*this specifically refers to agenda to push for miselims

[clonedcheese]

@LiLi041

unless Vulgard’s meta says they are agenda-y as wolf I don’t think it’s a very valid point

Im not the go to person for meta

But for the one game that’s been stuck in my mind

The one i quoted, in which i was alting as calculus

They did the “push for bs then dont take responsibility” maneuver a couple times

I recall them doing the same thing in a later scumgame so that’s just been my perception of wolfgard

[clonedcheese]

@clonedcheese

push for bs

The “agenda” i talk about refers to this

[clonedcheese]

@LiLi041

basically tl;dr the “know nothing” felt like a cover/excuse to not do anything

Im willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this (i.e. let them live today and yell at them tomorrow)

Yes they’re inactive but i dont think that in itself overturns my reas on vul

[LiLi041]

have you made any progress on the ruri + ? who question

[LiLi041]

@clonedcheese

then dont take responsibility

what does this mean?

SR a bunch of people but also be like “ahh I’m so confused” (so I can disclaim my reads when the miselim happens)?

[clonedcheese]

@LiLi041

SR a bunch of people but also be like “ahh I’m so confused”

Sr one person, get town to vote them, then come back later saying “welp if everyone’s voting them might as well”

[LiLi041]

@Vulgard

sure, ruri gave reads, but i don’t see a process, nor do i see inquisitiveness and attempts to tighten poe or anything of the sort

she entered the thread, gave a list of reads and takes with brief explanations (if any), and that was that

if she’s such a bad wolf that she can’t even give reads then i’d be inclined to believe your take, but as it is, i still think she’s probably a wolf

i don’t even care about her day 1 excuse, because i think the only world where that’s ai in any way is a world where ruri’s an old emilia-tier wolf. i’m treating that part as nai entirely, and reading her on her content alone, i don’t get the impression she’s actually trying to solve the game; only trying to look like she’s solving by giving a lot of takes. i don’t see a lot of investment/attachment to those takes and i also don’t see how she’s actually solving or progressing the game. it’s like she put up a billboard that says “hey i am solving i promise” but then left it there and walked away instead of adding content to it and/or placing more billboards for actual influence

this analogy’s a bit ham-fisted honestly but you probably get what i mean by this point

her poe’s also fairly broad

because like

here, isn’t it also SR Ruri w/ reasons

the only difference is that it’s not a readlist for everyone and is just about Ruri, and Vulgard isn’t like “ahhh so confused so conflicted”

[LiLi041]

@clonedcheese

Sr one person, get town to vote them, then come back later saying “welp if everyone’s voting them might as well”

what

where did your post say that