I’m not going to talk about Alice anymore.
Still reading.
similarly when someone says >rand v it means the play they are talking about has a greater than 75% chance to come from a villager
it’s just basically saying they think the post is indicative of the player being more likely to be town
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Same.
Same! But the way he’s been playing up to this point in the thread doesn’t look villagery to me. The biggest point in his favor is his vote and reasoning on Alice, actually; it’s overtly bad. Perhaps too overtly.
This read might be really dumb, but I don’t see Marl talking about our entire group like this if he’s wolves with any of us. Since I think it’s somewhat likely (even by pure math) that one of us is a wolf (also because games don’t tend to be easy) then uh… Marl V? To be fair, he did say himself that he didn’t think we were all town, so at the very least, I think we actually may be all town if Marl is W.
I mean…there’s nothing wrong in keeping LHF alive if them being LHF is the only reason why they’re being scumread? (From meta-reader to another meta-reader, I have no comment on your meta-read on him, btw. I just have a problem with the mindset/the last paragraph)
In our last game (in NUF) there was this lost super newbie townie who kept replying in one-liners (ie “Oky~” or “Hmmmmmmm”) and said “I don’t know” when straight-up asked if they were town or mafia. They were widely scumread for that, but in the spec chat we talked about it and Cream (or was it someone else) said that as long as their slot can be read, it’s okay if they survive to endgame (altho them being the deciding vote in LYLO would be dangerous).
I understand the frustration of seeing players who are barely trying and “coasting” while one is spending much effort and time reading, but yeah, I’d prefer to see more posts from pigeon before immediately yeeting him. Unless he’s going to stay this way until EOD, in which case I’m okay with it.
Good Job Alberto Einstein what was your first clue
the fact that i’ve been here talking to myself for quite a bit or the fact that i’m the top poster
(that was needlessly smug but i wanted to say alberto einstein because my headcanon is that he’s einstein’s hispanic cousin who knows very little about anything)
Yeah… hm.
Alice’s treatment of Pigeon is really rubbing me the wrong way. I mostly agree with Chloe that the way he defended himself from Alice felt like a villager’s defense because of how aggro it was. Alice’s push on him reads as very smothering, and the specific unfairness in the post Chloe brought up here is the greatest concern. Pigeon shouldn’t be expected to 100% find a wolf on day 1.
That said, I know her pushes as V can be very aggressive like that regardless of the target’s alignment. I think she’d commit less to the push if she were a wolf pushing on a villager. Or Pigeon’s just a wolf and I’m being stupid thinking his reaction was villagery for him.
I know I was supposed to stop discussing Alice, but.
I actually think the likeliest wolf on the playerlist from who I’ve read so far is LiLi, who I’m already voting. I pretty much agree with Cream that she’s really defensive and the defensiveness is really out of place. She’s struggling to integrate herself into the game, it seems, and the very moment Cream mentions this, she continues to come across as very defensive. Almost scared, even. It’s like Chloe’s anxiety when she’s wolfing, except not really hidden.
Speaking of which, I’m leaning town on Chloe, because I like her takes. That said, her opener notably didn’t suck (others brought it up before and I agree), and most of the time I played with her lately (except for the last game), I scumread her for her opener and she was V. This… probably shouldn’t mean much, though.
…Absolutely not. It can be W/W.
I don’t think it is, because I’m leaning village on both rn (Chloe’s defense of him felt villagery and not TMI-laden, while his posts on Alice felt more aggro than anything his scumgame had ever been able to muster), but the posts you quoted don’t make it impossible at all. Why did you think it was the case?
Said by someone who had recently preflipped Alice as W/W with Centuries because she softly defended him at some point.
Something something hypocrisy is a town trait?
Alignment-indicative or not? 
I mean, unless you think Cream’s posts could be workshopped or something lol
Are you offering to be the Lissi Tunnel Experience™ litmus tester this time?
You mean it’s not possible that the frustration was coming from wolf trying to use a RT as a justification to push a Pigeon wagon, which Vul ruined? (The frustration was NAI to me, since it’s a response any person would make if their plans were messed up)
Same thought on the deadlines. I’d like @Cream to expand on why it has to be D1.
You disliked that? I like it myself since it can be used by the target a town (as in it would help them survive to D3 and buy more time to make reads).
Why do you think Cream can’t correctly townread you? She said “if I can’t find you town D1”.
Not just that, it’s also too confident, considering the posts themselves aren’t so strong as to remove the W/W association.
I’d also give her time. I think there’s a method I can use to read her, but I’ll have to see if she does certain things. I’ll bring this method up later in the day.
Villagery.
Villagery, and I agree.
…AgreeD? Still think the take alone is villagery for Cream.
Also, I’mma pull an Appel.
Alice/Marl not W/W 
Except I think there’s a lot of evidence for it in their case.
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I unironically think this makes Alice town, but I’m not going to elaborate on the why. I think she might be able to figure it out.
I’ll explain if I have to.
Half the thread is a discussion about the strength of people’s wolfgames.
Come on, people.