[VFM] A Hat in Time Cop13er - Town Wins!

[Wazza]

@Chloe

Hey person

Vul is kinda wolfy

I’ve never seen him at this level of “Hello, fellow kids”

@Chloe

I also dislike how it feels like he’s using his recent history of bad reads as an excuse to not perform well this game

It’s ~fine, and I can understand the mindset

But it feels like somewhat of a wolfy fallback
“Oops i was wrong. Well nothing new haha ”

@Chloe

I disagree that it’s =rand

Wolfy posting is wolfy posting, and I don’t think this wraps around to villagery. I’ve misread Vulgard the past ~3 games so I’m trying from a different angle this time and reading him as I’d read anyone I’m not familiar with, instead of trying to apply false meta to him

I think his opener was awkward and wolfy and I’d call anyone out for that
I don’t want him dead atp but I think he’s >rand wolf

I too disagree that it’s =rand based on what I know about Vulgard, I can’t directly say I’m confident enough to read him although that’s probably because I’ve not read much and well basically not focused on it directly much at all, although I don’t like this post about wolfy posting especially considering it’s coming from Chloe, it feels more pushy than what I’m used too coming from Chloe, then again I’m probably just remembering Ciconia where she mainly focused on just pushing me while she was alive.

Also the comment about wolfy posting is wolfy posting has so many things wrong with it that it confuses my smallbrain.

@Chloe

I believe that you planned on doing this
You left the crumbs for it as well

Think its kinda villagery

A large portion of Chloe’s posts feel like they’re just pocketing Conroy, which, if it wasn’t Chloe, I could see coming from either alignment really, but that’s the thing, it is coming from Chloe.

@Chloe

I’m impatient but the crux of it is that Vulgard used incorrect grammar here in “How do you expect me to pick up that?” which shows he isn’t carefully thinking through and proof-reading his posts as I’d expect from wolfgard

But it’s apparently correct grammar lol

@Chloe

Vul’s posts have gotten a lot better

Comfortable w/ him as a v-lean atm

@Chloe

This doesn’t come from someone in scumchat

@Chloe

/vote Alice @EliThePsycho

I feel like Chloe as Town would focus more on scumreads than making it clear who her townreads are. which the former is vastly more important than the latter, I don’t think stating your Townreads at the start of the day exactly helps anyone whatsoever it’s just locking yourself to a read or convincing those that you think they’re Town so that it looks like you’re not a threat to them.

@Chloe

I don’t yet believe that Alice believes in her push on pigeon as I feel like he hasn’t posted enough to come to the conclusion that he’s posting just to post. Feels premature

But I do want more from the bird that isn’t iioa

@thepigeonnyc reads yo?

@Chloe

Eh now im doubting myself

@Chloe

/vote pigeon @EliThePsycho

Sure

let’s see

And this is one of the main things, this vote progression absolutely sucks. She went from “Alice doesn’t believe in her push on Pigeon” and voting Alice to literally siding with her and voting Pigeon as well, that feels like atrocious progression especially to do in a few seconds and especially over simply just cold feet. Just because you get cold feet on someone doesn’t mean you decide to side with them and vote the player they’re voting, especially since you made it clear based on your posts that there was little to no content that could’ve swayed your mind from a scumlean to a townlean in the matter of seconds. To add onto this, you still haven’t gave an explanation how you just completely switched your read on Alice like that.

@Chloe

marl is an obvious villager

mason time

Still focusing on posting about her townreads than trying to find her scumreads and pushing on them.

@Chloe

Like dude wtf when does a low confidence wolf ever do this

did you not read Ciconia FM after you died, Chloe?

he literally did this
he literally sheeped everyone else
he literally followed what everyone else was saying and had low confidence that the only moment he tried was a minute before EoD2 and even then that attempt condemned him.

@Chloe

But I might expand on these thoughts more later

Later is now. This is post 308 btw, I’m going to get back to the ISO but I wanted to post this for now as I need a break and I don’t want to lose this post because the forums don’t fucking save them.

To add onto this though.
@Chloe
Explain your read on Pigeon.
Explain why you’re so heavily focused on posting about your Townreads, making your Townreads clear doesn’t help a thing and you should know why. Why aren’t you trying to post or find scumreads whatsoever?

[Wazza]

right here ^
sorry I didn’t see your post, I was already making the ISO.

[Alice]

@LiLi041

the main issue is 1. you not pressuring and 2. your intent when trying to PL felt scummy

I was calling for PLs because Zone/Marl were frankly frustrating the hell out of me with their “LET’S TALK ABOUT YOUR N0”/“I WILL GET MYSELF LYNCHED” stuff.

Like, if a player’s going to play in an anti-town manner and probe into peoples’ n0s or intentionally getting themselves chopped then frankly I don’t really care if they’re chopped or not.

Chloe and Vulgard can back up that this attitude’s basically just my personality being pissy.

[LiLi041]

@Vulgard

I hate making this read, but I saw Silviu typing something for a split second, and then he stopped. Nagl. I can’t prove this, and maybe I shouldn’t even be saying this, but to be fair, it is public information as long as you’re sitting in the thread and watching. I was typing up a post at the time.

I also really really really hate this

this is such an ew read and just reads as shade to me

it’s also a feature I don’t like from this site tbh
feels like a privacy invasion and if I could do all the typing conveniently elsewhere I would just to not have these kinds of bad shady comments thrown at me but anyways back on topic

shading someone for not posting after you see them “typing” is just a very scummy thing to do

like if you wanted to type a wallpost or type as you catch up

or type a post for later

what was even the point of your post
except shade

for no good reason

[Alice]

@Wazza

A large portion of Chloe’s posts feel like they’re just pocketing Conroy, which, if it wasn’t Chloe, I could see coming from either alignment really, but that’s the thing, it is coming from Chloe.

Why is this pocketing but not how I and/or Cream TR’d him for the same reason?

[LiLi041]

@Alice

I was calling for PLs because Zone/Marl were frankly frustrating the hell out of me with their “LET’S TALK ABOUT YOUR N0”/“I WILL GET MYSELF LYNCHED” stuff.

Like, if a player’s going to play in an anti-town manner and probe into peoples’ n0s or intentionally getting themselves chopped then frankly I don’t really care if they’re chopped or not.

Chloe and Vulgard can back up that this attitude’s basically just my personality being pissy.

okki so let’s say that’s just you being you

what about everything else
“Eh, I don’t think it’s this” is not a very good explanation at all, especially when it’s about your own mindset, something you should know well in the first place

[Wazza]

Probably because I haven’t read your posts whatsoever, but I probably would end up saying that yours doesn’t seem like pocketing because Chloe isn’t just Townreading Conroy, she’s bashing into it, it’s like she’s buddying up with him a lot not to mention it’s made even worse by the fact all she’s doing this game is townreading people and focusing on said townreads heavily.

[Alice]

@LiLi041

@Alice

Eh, it’s not this.

I hate how a fair chunk of the thread is wolfreading me for trying to move the gamestate forward via pushing people.

Yes, being aggressive is my town playstyle is the pressure motivates people to do things and makes them easily readable.

???
the post you’re replying to has nothing to do with this

no one has issues with you pressuring

the main issue is 1. you not pressuring and 2. your intent when trying to PL felt scummy

Sigh, for the 100th time. I didn’t pressure you because Cream said that you do extremely poorly under pressure. My playstyle doesn’t work with people who can’t handle pressure as V so I’d probably just tunnel you to death had I tried.

The egoposting’s more something irt something that Marl said, tbfh. Not really AI.

[Alice]

@Wazza

Probably because I haven’t read your posts whatsoever, but I probably would end up saying that yours doesn’t seem like pocketing because Chloe isn’t just Townreading Conroy, she’s bashing into it, it’s like she’s buddying up with him a lot not to mention it’s made even worse by the fact all she’s doing this game is townreading people and focusing on said townreads heavily.

Hm, the reasoning here’s actually pretty good, tbfh.

[LiLi041]

@Alice

The egoposting’s more something irt something that Marl said, tbfh. Not really AI.

if you think that then why did you try to use it as a shield to dissaude people from SRing you for basically anything

[Alice]

Where did I do that?

[LiLi041]

also the original post was about mindset & you saying you were just doing busy work

it’s prob your 100th time talking about self-meta or whatever because you! keep! bringing! it! up!!

can we stay on topic please thanks

[Alice]

@LiLi041

also the original post was about mindset & you saying you were just doing busy work

To put it shortly, I’m the top-poster.

[LiLi041]

@Alice

Where did I do that?

…I don’t even want to dig through your long ISO

how about I just summarize what I remember and see if it jogs your memory

also I think I wrote about it earlier too so like
you read that, yes?

anyways it was that post where ppl were like “why are you not pressuring LiLi/kinda scummy you’re not making cases on ppl” and you were like “it’s not scummy, you know very well that I’d be able to fake all that as wolf, blah blah blah”

if you really don’t remember it I’ll go dig for it

[LiLi041]

@Alice

To put it shortly, I’m the top-poster.

to put it shortly

you believe in truth that the road to your throne as top-poster was paved with hundreds of spam posts of little value other than looking good?

[Chloe]

@Wazza

A large portion of Chloe’s posts feel like they’re just pocketing Conroy, which, if it wasn’t Chloe, I could see coming from either alignment really, but that’s the thing, it is coming from Chloe.

A large portion? Can you point to others please

Also I’m not pocketing Conroy in the slightest and I’m very confused how you came to that conclusion
The post you quoted isn’t even remotely pocketey

@Wazza

I feel like Chloe as Town would focus more on scumreads than making it clear who her townreads are. which the former is vastly more important than the latter, I don’t think stating your Townreads at the start of the day exactly helps anyone whatsoever it’s just locking yourself to a read or convincing those that you think they’re Town so that it looks like you’re not a threat to them.

No
That’s not how I play at all and idk where you’re getting that from
I’m a PoE player, and also after getting burned last game and tunneling a villager for the entirety of Day 1 I’d like to not do that

I’ve always been someone who focuses more on townreads than scumreads unless I have a confident scumread - which, I don’t right now

@Wazza

And this is one of the main things, this vote progression absolutely sucks. She went from “Alice doesn’t believe in her push on Pigeon” and voting Alice to literally siding with her and voting Pigeon as well, that feels like atrocious progression especially to do in a few seconds and especially over simply just cold feet. Just because you get cold feet on someone doesn’t mean you decide to side with them and vote the player they’re voting, especially since you made it clear based on your posts that there was little to no content that could’ve swayed your mind from a scumlean to a townlean in the matter of seconds. To add onto this, you still haven’t gave an explanation how you just completely switched your read on Alice like that.

I feel like you’re coming at this from the angle that I’d have the same brain as you or something, which I don’t

I’m absolutely allowed to change my read and side with someone who I previously didn’t agree with
It’s not that I started townreading Alice, it’s that I started realizing Alice was right about pigeon being wolfy the literal second I posted my vote on her

There’s something about voicing your thoughts rather than keeping them to yourself that can show you how dumb you’re being, and in that moment I was being dumb, but didn’t notice it until I put the words on the screen

@Wazza

Still focusing on posting about her townreads than trying to find her scumreads and pushing on them.

Yup.

This isn’t wolf AI.

@Wazza

did you not read Ciconia FM after you died, Chloe?

he literally did this
he literally sheeped everyone else
he literally followed what everyone else was saying and had low confidence that the only moment he tried was a minute before EoD2 and even then that attempt condemned him.

The string of posts I found villagery from him was nothing like his behavior in Ciconia
He wasn’t ‘sheeping everyone else’ but instead voting Alice, who nobody else was voting
He did that on his own and I found the confidence to be villagery

@Wazza

@Chloe

But I might expand on these thoughts more later

Later is now.

@Wazza

Explain your read on Pigeon.
Explain why you’re so heavily focused on posting about your Townreads, making your Townreads clear doesn’t help a thing and you should know why. Why aren’t you trying to post or find scumreads whatsoever?

A large portion of my ISO is explaining my read on pigeon and how it’s progressed into now thinking he’s a wolf

Go read the rest of it
I’m not gunna repeat myself again

@Wazza

Chloe isn’t just Townreading Conroy, she’s bashing into it, it’s like she’s buddying up with him

Literally how what
Where? Point it out

Conroy isn’t even one of my strongest townreads and I feel I’ve barely engaged with the dude

I don’t understand where you’re getting this from

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im going to sleep
good night

[Alice]

@LiLi041

anyways it was that post where ppl were like “why are you not pressuring LiLi/kinda scummy you’re not making cases on ppl” and you were like “it’s not scummy, you know very well that I’d be able to fake all that as wolf, blah blah blah”

Oh, this?

People were SR’ing me because I was not pressuring you.

It was a non-sensical reason to SR me as I clearly outlined the reason why I didn’t pressure you multiple times.

[LiLi041]

@Psyx

she talked a lot with Zone but it doesn’t look like she got anything from it.

this is also a misrep

I did get that he was kinda scummy meta-wise

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@Psyx

He’s usually pretty competitive too (or someone with a plan), so I dunno why he feels so defeated/waffle-y from the get-go.

I agree with this

@Psyx

Lissi, on the other hand, feels “soft” and “reasonable/cautious” to me in a way that reminds me of scummy!Lissi in Godhamster FM.

well I don’t want to go around picking fights or trying to flip tables for no reason either y’know

just bc no arguments come to me doesn’t mean I’m not fighting bc I’m cautious or whatever

and weren’t you going to look at content or something

@Psyx

• Vulgard - null; at first he seemed weird, but later posts seem ok
• Marl - null; I’m feeling a bit paranoid about this slot
• Appelsiini - null; tbh I didn’t really read their posts much
• Silviu/Ruri - no posts, null

I feel like I share part of the blame for this because I didn’t give the most wow wow summary out there and Psyx might’ve had to skip some stuff

but like.
Psyx.
really??

what was the point of including 5 no-impression nulls in your readlist and then adding a couple commentary here and there for them

didn’t everyone really despise it back when the newbies did it and half their readlist was just null

why are you doing it too

[LiLi041]

@Alice

Oh, this?

People were SR’ing me because I was not pressuring you.

It was a non-sensical reason to SR me as I clearly outlined the reason why I didn’t pressure you multiple times.

I mean
meh

but mindset
sometimes I half-forget what the original point was

that’s not a good thing

it indicates just how bad and distracting the interaction was

plus how side tracked it’s getting every time we exchange posts

and I don’t like it because I just finished a game where I had the exact same convo with someone and he was mafia

so actually maybe just don’t reply to any of that above

and

original posts!!

[LiLi041]

@Psyx

but very confident about my townleans

just Cream and Chloe?