[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Game Over. Humans Win!

[Vulgard]

Either tomorrow or starting d2, actually. D1 might not be such a great idea?

Don’t mind me, I kinda started talking to myself here.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

…Any grudges toward anyone in this game? This is a genuine question.

@Zone_Q11 Sorry for pressuring you so hard to answer this, but I do want to hear your response before I go to sleep.

[Zone_Q11]

@thepigeonnyc

This feels so W/W with cloned

How come? I don’t see it.

[Leafia]

The only ones doing any pushing are Pigeon and Eli right now.

[Vulgard]

This is Vulgard erasure. And kinda min erasure, by proxy.

[Zone_Q11]

(Sorry, I didn’t pay attention. What did you say?)

[min]

I’m talking about his scumreads

[thepigeonnyc]

@Zone_Q11

How come? I don’t see it.

It just feels like she’s TMIing cloned as being on her team.

[Leafia]

@EliThePsycho

okay but you had complete blind faith in “a slight townlean”
like
that doesn’t make any sense from a V perspective
i think there was “outside” (wrong word but you get the point) influence (being that you are W and know cloned is V)

Townleaning someone isn’t having complete blind faith that someone is a villager. It’s thinking they might be a villager.

[Vulgard]

Am I the only person seeing the problem with min’s Leafia read or am I latching onto something that isn’t there?

[thepigeonnyc]

Since she seems to blindly agree with cloned.

[Zone_Q11]

That… is NAI though? It’s a logical fallacy, but it isn’t as if only scum can use that argument to townread someone.

[min]

Q_Q

[Vulgard]

@thepigeonnyc

It just feels like she’s TMIing cloned as being on her team.

I’ve heard the TMI accusation thrown at her when she was town as well, it’s more playstyle indicative than alignment indicative. The reason I didn’t jump at her right away when I read that was for this reason. I don’t think it’s a great metric of reading her in most cases.

Considering how many people claim she struggles with TMI as mafia, I might just have the wrong impression of her play, but I vividly remember her getting accused of TMI when she was towning, and more than once.

[Leafia]

@EliThePsycho

…because i’m so sure that you have TMI?
even if vul is a wolf, even if your argument was correct (it isn’t imo), you go first so that i can prove that vul is a wolf from your flip and that you had TMI and whatnot
and if you hypothetically flip V then that arguement is discredited (not meaning that vul is town, of course, but still)

This logic is bs regardless if I’m a villager or not.

[clonedcheese]

alright
so
we’re two hundred posts in
and here’s a collection of posts that support a Leafia/min/pigeon team just from the last 100

Post wall

@thepigeonnyc

Inb4 we quickhammer Leafia and she flips scum

W/W TMI

@thepigeonnyc

There’s a reason I voted Leafia this early in the game LOL

As mentioned before, pre-arranged bussing

@Leafia

Why aren’t you pushing Vulgard if you’re so sure that I have TMI? He was the first one to townlean Cloned and having a read on someone isn’t the same as having TMI on them.

muddying the water, focusing the TMI accusation as “townleans cloned” and not the weird response she had

@thepigeonnyc

I feel like this game I’ve been posting without thinking about the repercussions related to reads on me

self-awareness

@thepigeonnyc

Blatant bussing is -EV for them

@min

Honestly cloned I dont see pigeon bussing tbh

mindmeld on something that is mostly incorrect

@Vulgard

The red part doesn’t look like a gutread, it looks like you’re basing this on personal experience - experience that shouldn’t be there , as I’ve just said. There’s no explanation for where you got this experience.

And like I also said before , if you had just said “gutread lol,” I would’ve accepted it. But this looks like you felt obligated to make something up and it ended up being demonstrably false.

Vul’s explanation

@thepigeonnyc

This feels so W/W with cloned

@min

/vote cloned @Arete

mindmelding me scum somehow
especially for min, who’s only expressed the opinion of “wait i dont think pigeon is bussing”

@min

He is pushing things that are incredibly unrealistic and opportunistic

how the hell is min and pigeon “opportunistic”
taking down arguments with buzzwords

how the hell do i have the game solved when we’ve not gone past the RVS stage yet

Good job cheese

:^)

kill leafia > pigeon > min

[Vulgard]

Remove the “TMI on cloned” part from your Leafia reads. What are you left with?

[min]

I really dont know how I’m supposed to respond I townleaned leafia because I believed her opening posts seemed like something shed do as town basednoff of gut but

[Zone_Q11]

@EliThePsycho

my entire arguement is founded on the basis that she TMI’d cloned villager
i don’t know how you got there with leafia being wolf

…do you mean cloned?

[clonedcheese]

@Zone_Q11

(Sorry, I didn’t pay attention. What did you say?)

i said leafia/pigeon/min and two of them immediately come out and say im scum

lol