[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Game Over. Humans Win!

[WindwardAway]

@WindwardAway

I can assume fmpov that I am town so that leaves 3 town and 3 wolves who are not cleared. Your lists will obviously include me instead of yourselves.

Vulgard
January
Zone
Cloned
Min
City

I think Vulgard can likely be a wolf but I’m still trying to solve him.
Is it possible January is a misclear? I haven’t questioned my read on him for the entire game but there’s a chance he went for a gutsy wolf play, similarly to how he suggested Marl had done (and Marl flipped town).
Zone was Marl’s (most recent) top scumread. I don’t like that he is shading me for shading Vulgard and something about his pushes yesterday struck me as overreaching a bit, but I’ll go back and review them again. Other than that he hasn’t raised red flags.
Cloned looked like willager LHF from one time I checked the vote count but I haven’t found it yet and want to double check it. If the wagon really did exist, it’s villagers pushing him and scum supporting the push.
Min has not been listened to this entire game and has also been squarely in the PoE the entire game. I want to say this happens more when they’re a villager because they get yeeted a bit more easily as a wolf (personal experience, maybe some of you have seen differently) but it’s not entirely clearing. I think min’s indignation about not being listened to is towny, though, even if I’m not sure about their push.
Idk, city could’ve changed their meta, whoever they are. Even without knowing their meta, and if I ignore Marl’s and Vulgard’s reads on them, I think city is town and I really don’t know why but I’m never voting them today.

If I can make the assumption that January is off the table that leaves us (at least me) with:

Vulgard
Zone
Cloned
Min
City

2 Town and 3 wolves

[clonedcheese]

@WindwardAway

You know what, I have no idea why I thought cloned was town from wagonomics

You’re missing the one where i was 4/6 for some time

[January]

And for me, I have you, which makes me have three town three wolves.

[Zone_Q11]

My POE is: Windward, Squirrel, one within cloned/min/Vul.

I don’t believe you are town, but I am curious why you defend City so much despite nothing good coming out of City. (This has now been resolved by the way.)

Also, your interaction with Vulgard is off. City says that you are “being pocketed by Vul”, but I don’t believe that at all.

[WindwardAway]

Oh was it night who posted it? That’s what I remembered seeing but couldn’t find it when I ISO’d Arete

[WindwardAway]

Tbf I also want to know why city thinks I’m being pocketed by vul

I think I am,but idk why city thinks so, and if anyrhing shouldn’t city be worried I am pocketing them?

[Zone_Q11]

…Windward, no. We are not going back to w!City.
Marl died to protect her with this stupid meta read, so his death had better be worth it!

[January]

Actually, Marl died to protect min

[January]

Not city.

[WindwardAway]

My reasons for thinking Vulgard is pocketing me are, as stated before, that he’s the only one who is calling me an “obvious villager” when I don’t think anyone else in the player list agrees

I have been wrong, I did jack shit yesterday at EoD because I was too busy playing pokemon, and I should be in the PoE anyway because there’s no real reason that I’m cleared.

Vulgard says I’m cleared off the posts I quoted above. What’s concerning is not that he is clearing me on those posts but that he’s the only one who sees a clear there, and I think it’s because he knows something that the town does not. Does it make sense what I’m saying? If he’s the sort of wolf who has trouble with TMI because he is expected to make accurate reads (even if it isn’t realistic), he will be more likely to TMI villagers as town for things that would often be overlooked by, well, town.

And I say that because that’s exactly how I wolf when I rand mafia.

[Zone_Q11]

…yes, there is that too, but didn’t he keep insisting City was town because of meta BS?

[WindwardAway]

I’m not accusing city of wolfing. I want her thoughts on Vulgard.

[January]

Yes. But he didn’t die for city.

[WindwardAway]

Well, so does Vulgard so maybe you should ask Vulgard about it

[WindwardAway]

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[quote=“Vulgard, post:5452, topic:88341”]

@WindwardAway

I can’t believe I’m still awake but

I get the feeling you’re both villagers, it’s a very light read but it exists
Not sure about Eli but I think it might be worth looking outside of you two to find the wolves in this game

Good night lol
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And I agree once again! I’m at 594 and there still hasn’t been a WWA post that made me question her being V

[quote=“Vulgard, post:5228, topic:88341”]

@WindwardAway

How can you think you’re right and also think you’re wrong

It just makes no sense and greatly confuses me
[/quote]

True, it doesn’t make sense, and is also wolfy because it’s just veiled agenda at this point.

[quote=“Vulgard, post:5228, topic:88341”]

@WindwardAway

Problem is just that clonedcheese’s confidence level and saying that he hopes he’s right and thinks he’s right do not equate whatsoever with saying that he’s probably wrong because he’s always wrong

There’s like a super weird mismatch there and I find it kind of wolfy in addition to it being a really dumb-looking world because the scumteam would absolutely implode if that were the case
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The more I’m reading about WWA’s evaluation of cloned, the more I think she does actually believe it. The thought process tracks, and I pretty much agree with the whole thing.

@Vulgard

@WindwardAway

why the fuck do you play like this
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This entire post is so blatantly V, I am never voting this. If the game goes to f3 with us both still alive, I am snapvoting the other player.

Some examples

@WindwardAway

Vulgard says I’m cleared off the posts I quoted above. What’s concerning is not that he is clearing me on those posts but that he’s the only one who sees a clear there, and I think it’s because he knows something that the town does not. Does it make sense what I’m saying? If he’s the sort of wolf who has trouble with TMI because he is expected to make accurate reads (even if it isn’t realistic), he will be more likely to TMI villagers as town for things that would often be overlooked by, well, town.

And I say that because that’s exactly how I wolf when I rand mafia.

For context

[WindwardAway]

Literally all the quotes broke, help

[January]

So your saying your acting like a wolf and you yourself know it?

[WindwardAway]

I’m saying Vulgard is acting how I act as a wolf

Stupid read I know but that’s all I really have to go off

I’m bound by my meta to make accurate reads when I’m a wolf so that’s why I bus wolves and clear random LHF townies

This game hasn’t given wolves any reason to bus so far but I could believe that wolves have tmi’d a few slots as town

[Zone_Q11]

@WindwardAway

I’m not accusing city of wolfing. I want her thoughts on Vulgard.

Oh, okay.

@January

Yes. But he didn’t die for city.

Yes, but I’d like to respect Marl’s read on City nonetheless. Though, I don’t exactly understand why he would die for min.

[January]

Ah