[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[sulit]

hi

[sulit]

why like

confusion

[an_gorta_pratai]

Want me to go through every case of you shading me?

[sulit]

aaaaaa

[Vulgard]

@Moleland

If I’m mislynched today, the rest will see I’m right so there’s that.

It doesn’t work like that.

1. You can be wrong.
2. The people voting you can be of either alignment and we won’t know for certain until very late into the game.

@Moleland

It’s not Omgus if I’m right, which I’m sure I am so…

If your only reasoning for the vote is that I’m scumreading you and townreading your scumreads, then yes, it’s OMGUS. It’s calling me a wolf because my reads are not aligned with yours, and because I’m pushing you. You previously said that you wouldn’t read me until day 3, even though I had mostly the same reads as the reads I have right now. Why did that not trigger a red flag for you back then?

I suspect it’s because the read wasn’t real to begin with and it still isn’t.

[Flameo]

@Moleland

As you command, Megatron.

@Wisp

I usually live by my meta given to me by Prophylaxis, “if Wisp isn’t obvious town, or dead by day 3, then just yeet him”

Hate this post. Hate it

@Wisp

Are we reading the same posts?

@Wisp

Why? I don’t even recall a wazza post?

@Wisp

hmm?

@Wisp

what do you mean?

As examples.

Did you know Wisp was thread top poster? I didnt2.

Megatron got back around to this post that they forgot about. @Moleland your whole case is based on… “Wiisp has some useless posts and ew I hate self-meta…”?

[Moleland]

I actually said I will understand your alignment if you Push off of scum onto town then I will know you are a wolf.

[Vulgard]

@Moleland

if you Push off of scum onto town then I will know you are a wolf.

And how do you know I’m pushing off of scum into town? The people I’ve pushed haven’t flipped.

[Flameo]

@an_gorta_pratai

Want me to go through every case of you shading me?

I’d love nothing more.

@Flameo

and why was that scummy?

Don’t forget this addendum.

[Moleland]

Sorry Megatron, you are quite right. Let me point out other posts Since then that prove my point

[Moleland]

That’s fair. It could be lolpreflip bias, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t

[sulit]

I isoed gorta and didn’t get anything out of it other than we agree on mole

mrr

[Vulgard]

@Flameo

your whole case is based on… “Wiisp has some useless posts and ew I hate self-meta…”?

It’s not a case. He said that he disliked one thing Wisp did, and tacked on some other reason, and is now using that as a super solid read which also makes me a wolf because I’m defending Wisp.

It’s nonsensical, it hasn’t changed much, and it’s one of the primary reasons I’m pushing Mole. His treatment of the Wisp wolfread hasn’t been consistent with what a villager should be doing about their wolfreads. The fact they call me a wolf because I defend their wolfread, which they haven’t been trying to push at all, is baffling. I can still be an incorrect villager, but I suppose that possibility went out the window the moment I started to push Mole. At least, for Mole it did.

His legacy is to push his accuser instead of pushing Wisp. If he’s still convinced Wisp is scum, why not push Wisp over me as his legacy? He found Wisp independently scummy, but he only sees me as scummy because I’m defending Wisp. If I’m Wisp’s partner, why does it matter to Mole which wolf he’s pushing?

I really hope you’re not a villager who’s OMGUSing and giving me few reasons to find you as town, because I think the way you’ve been playing is really baffling.

[Vulgard]

And for the record, I don’t even think Wisp is 100% town. There is room for doubt I have right now, mainly because I found their latest posts less good than the previous ones. But Mole isn’t trying to convince me Wisp is scum. Mole is just OMGUSing me and preflipping me/Wisp as wolf partners. That’s… not going to get anywhere. That doesn’t help town, and it also looks suspiciously like antispew. Possibly, Mole is avoiding well-reasoned opinions, because they could be used against his team if he flips mafia.

[Flameo]

@Vulgard

It’s not a case. He said that he disliked one thing Wisp did, and tacked on some other reason, and is now using that as a super solid read which also makes me a wolf because I’m defending Wisp.

It’s nonsensical, it hasn’t changed much, and it’s one of the primary reasons I’m pushing Mole. His treatment of the Wisp wolfread hasn’t been consistent with what a villager should be doing about their wolfreads. The fact they call me a wolf because I defend their wolfread, which they haven’t been trying to push at all, is baffling. I can still be an incorrect villager, but I suppose that possibility went out the window the moment I started to push Mole. At least, for Mole it did.

His legacy is to push his accuser instead of pushing Wisp. If he’s still convinced Wisp is scum, why not push Wisp over me as his legacy? He found Wisp independently scummy, but he only sees me as scummy because I’m defending Wisp. If I’m Wisp’s partner, why does it matter to Mole which wolf he’s pushing?

I really hope you’re not a villager who’s OMGUSing and giving me few reasons to find you as town, because I think the way you’ve been playing is really baffling.

This whole spiel also applies to Io, me and Elephas, but you’re townreading Io?

[Vulgard]

@Flameo

This whole spiel also applies to Io, me and Elephas, but you’re townreading Io

Elaborate. I’m townreading all three people you listed at the moment.

[Flameo]

[quote=“CallMeIo, post:1988, topic:83078, full:true”]

@Flameo

@Leafia

Starting to consider the possibility that I was wrong about Ele being scum, but I want to see how Vulgard reacts to the wagon on him before deciding one way or another. Because Elephas didn’t consider another possibility.

That possibility is that Katze was the N1 kill to set up a mislynch on Vulgard.

The fact remains that wolves won’t usually kill a ppl later that has a townread on them, no matter how weak it is, especially this early.

I mean, it’s possible. Just not likely.
[/quote]

Occam’s razor.

Also, Vulgard being a wagon has to do with Vulgard’s posts being scummy. It does not have to be related.

@Elephas

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Balancing_Possibilities_Versus_Probabilities

A good tool.

Off I go again.

Oh wow, I am positively surprised to see Occam’s razor actually being referenced here.

Yeah I’m more inclined that this is the partner over Mole.

@CallMeIo

@Elephas

Hm.

I suppose one more won’t harm anyone.

/vote Moleland @DatBird

Yeah.
Flameo more likely.

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

whats your read on Ele, disregarding mechanical? info

also the correct play is to not vote in either of you

What’s your read on Flameo?
I won’t allow harm to come to town again like it did Day 1.

@CallMeIo

/Vote Flameo

I want to change Vote from Mole to This

@CallMeIo

I’m more confident on this being Elephas partner.

@Vulgard

They have stated no other reason for saying I’m scum.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

His legacy is to push his accuser instead of pushing Wisp. If he’s still convinced Wisp is scum, why not push Wisp over me as his legacy? He found Wisp independently scummy, but he only sees me as scummy because I’m defending Wisp. If I’m Wisp’s partner, why does it matter to Mole which wolf he’s pushing?

This logic is completely backwards. Me defending Wisp shouldn’t make me partners with Wisp. If Wisp is scum in his eyes, he should be… pushing Wisp. He shouldn’t be pushing me, because I could still be town defending a wolf. It happens. From his perspective, pushing Wisp should yield a higher chance of yeeting a wolf. Isn’t that what you want as a villager?

But instead, he’s pushing me. And I’m pretty sure the reason is because I’m pushing Mole and Wisp isn’t.

[Vulgard]

And you think I should be scumreading Io just because they failed to provide adequate reasoning for you being scum?

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Flameo

… all the reads indicate a townread. You clearly did not read their readlist. Can you please be a bit more active? You’re doing a disservice to whatever team you’d be on.

Here you claim I wasn’t reading the game when Katze didn’t claim that those were townreads iirc

@Flameo

This is so LAMIST, considering they mentioned earlier they just wanted to fulfill the 20 post quota. Who sincerely believes an_gorta is going to go through those games?

I did because I want to play this game, but I also want to play this game, so I didn’t try to post fluff and such

@Flameo

I am fairly conflicted on this slot. An_gorta really has a lot… of traditionally towny things to say. A few, I could find fake and posturing, but they have so many differently angled traditionally towny things. I will say that overall this slot is null scum still.

Here you say that I am basically town, but still call me a SL

@Flameo

Oh also Gorta requires serious scrutiny having the wisdom now that two town were willing to wagon that. Katze and Ash, this is more a mental note for myself, but please put the fire on them.

JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE VOTE ME THAT DOESN’T MAKE ME A WOLF

@Flameo

Are you suggesting with those names that these are players you get scum signals from? (including me I guess…)

Here you act like I get scum signals from all of those names WHEN I STATED THAT I WAS GOING TO ISO AND READ THOSE SLOTS (you also did a similar trick with Katze)