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[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

While true that it would make you look at least a bit better if you did that, it doesn’t mean that you being a wolf isn’t a possibility.

I don’t think you should act like you are clear either. You are a hard busser and when you act like people should lock town you for it then that makes me suspect you.

@Leafia

If you want to be townread, stop defending yourself and start looking for pelts. I’m starting to see how scummy I looked back when I was constantly defending myself in past games.

We have plenty of time for that, but for now I want to go against this bs accusation that you suddenly started

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Vulgard

“OOO ELEPHAS IS SCUM”
“OOOO VULGARD DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES DOING”

I buried a wolf, I am clear, screw y’all.

Now, with that out of the way. I can’t really post much today or tomorrow, until tomorrow evening/the morning after that, so sorry about that.

Will still post some thoughts, probably. Not sure if Mole was bussed or not, but I think the wagon was largely pure regardless.

We should probably do some analysis of the counterwagon, considering that Mole didn’t self-pres. Could be WIFOM, could be w/w wagons.

@Vulgard

I’m pretty sure I get by far the most credit for that, considering I was also on Mole’s wagon day 1, so yeah, stop tinfoiling me and please look elsewhere while I’m away from thread. Not even mentioning the fact Elephas’ legacy is a huge townread on me.

Thinking there’s at least one wolf on the counterwagon, since the Flameo wagon had a chance to save Mole… but if Flameo’s a wolf, that point is moot.

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesn’t come from scum?

The difference between Vul’s posts and Leafia’s

@Leafia

I think you get almost as much as I do honestly considering I was hard going after Mole near the end of both days and I was the first to call out Mole for being wolfy.

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

Is that Leafia is a known hard busser and how they both handle things

@Vulgard

We should probably do some analysis of the counterwagon, considering that Mole didn’t self-pres. Could be WIFOM, could be w/w wagons.

@Vulgard

Thinking there’s at least one wolf on the counterwagon, since the Flameo wagon had a chance to save Mole… but if Flameo’s a wolf, that point is moot.

@Vulgard

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesn’t come from scum?

Vul tries to look at things from all angles and does say that I am worth a look, but doesn’t outright vote me. Leafia just goes “look at me I executed a wolf” and then votes me

@Leafia

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

/vote Gorta @Arete

@Leafia

I doubt I’ll change this vote at all today, unless Gorta improves massively. Right now, I’m 85% sure that Gorta is a wolf as well, and considering at EoD 2 I was 95% sure that Mole was a wolf, that’s saying a lot.There was a small part of my brain saying What if I’m wrong and Mole is town? that was only silenced upon seeing his flip, which was definitely a relief to me admittedly. EoD2 was stressful, but in the end, we yeeted a wolf.

@Leafia

Yup. The two of us were right about that.

There’s also this

[Leafia]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Leafia

While true that it would make you look at least a bit better if you did that, it doesn’t mean that you being a wolf isn’t a possibility.

I don’t think you should act like you are clear either. You are a hard busser and when you act like people should lock town you for it then that makes me suspect you.

@Leafia

If you want to be townread, stop defending yourself and start looking for pelts. I’m starting to see how scummy I looked back when I was constantly defending myself in past games.

We have plenty of time for that, but for now I want to go against this bs accusation that you suddenly started

I’m not saying I should be completely clear due to it and there’s nothing BS about my accusation and I think that you know it. What you’re doing now is just making me suspect you even more.

I’ll admit that if I was a wolf and you were a town in this situation, what I’m doing now is exactly what I would do, but the reverse is also true. You need to take other things into consideration while trying to solve my slot, like how Mole acted towards me among other things. If you take just one thing as proof of someone’;s alignment, you’re just asking to towncore a wolf or misyeet a town. You need to look at the whole picture.

If I was someone else who knew my playstyle as well as I do, I’d be reading myself as a townlean currently. Could still be a wolf but is slightly more likely to be a villager. I’m guessing the uninformed spec chat reads me as close to that, although I can see how someone could scumlean me even now, as I have done at least a few scummy things.

Plus, you never explained why you hard defended Mole, who happened to be scum. That’s what a villager would’ve done I think. A villager would understand me scumreading them after how you hard defended Mole.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I think Leafia is very likely partners with Mole. Vul and Sulit said they will look at my ISO and decide things later (while also looking at other angles), while leafia just outright votes me with little reasoning. From Leafia’s interactions with others it looks like she is trying to get confirmed town from Mole dying and automatically throwing shade without evaluating a single thing

[Leafia]

No. You’re clearly partners with Mole and are now pushing for a misyeet on me. I’m perfectly fine with either of us being yeeted today honestly, because if I get yeeted, town will yeet you tomorrow for sure when they realize that I’m a villager.

[Leafia]

Why would I need to evaluate things when you’re clearly scum?

[Wisp]

Vulgard is easily the towniest person in this game given how he handled the mole slot

Me and Ele are like second if you wanna be technical

@sulit
I was as confident as I could be on mole day 1, until I can back from helping my mom to see the trains hadn’t move at all, they spooked me, even yesterday towards the end of the day, Mole was looking better, but like I didn’t have time to change lol, which is good in hindsight now

[Wisp]

I came back to seeing his non self preserving post, and I was always yeeting that

[Wisp]

Mole didn’t try to see anything townie from me, he just took snippets of my iso that he thought we were wolfy and then pushed them

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

and there’s nothing BS about my accusation and I think that you know it.

I can say “oh yeah I think someone is 75% a wolf” and people won’t likely join in because there is no reasoning

@Leafia

I’ll admit that if I was a wolf and you were a town in this situation, what I’m doing now is exactly what I would do, but the reverse is also true.

This post is slightly hmmmmm… Are you projecting?

@Leafia

If I was someone else who knew my playstyle as well as I do, I’d be reading myself as a townlean currently. Could still be a wolf but is slightly more likely to be a villager. I’m guessing the uninformed spec chat reads me as close to that, although I can see how someone could scumlean me even now, as I have done at least a few scummy things.

This mess of self meta and self awareness is something

@Leafia

Plus, you never explained why you hard defended Mole, who happened to be scum. That’s what a villager would’ve done I think. A villager would understand me scumreading them after how you hard defended Mole.

It’s simple. I thought Mole was a townie and if you want to know why read my initial reads list

[Wisp]

This feels like more TMI, in wolf!Gorta worlds

[Wisp]

/vote Gorta
@Arete

[Leafia]

Either me or Gorta is getting yeeted todayu. I won’t accept any alternatives. At least not without very good reasoning. Gorta is using BS reasoning to explain why he can’t be a wolf and I don’t like it. He never once explained why he defended Mole so hard. You aren’t going to get suddenly townread by someone that’s scumreading you by acting scummy Gorta, and you’re not only OMGUSing so hard here but also being super LAMIST as well. Not only that, but you refuse to answer my question. Classic scum behavior. Also, I’ll tell you what I’d be doing here as scum with Gorta as a villager. I’d have claimed that this was a RT by now claimed that I hated how Gorta replied. Anyone who’s been in a scumgame of mine will be able to see that it’s at least likely that I’m telling the truth about that as I fake RTs all the time as scum but never do them as town. I can’t see a world where Gorta is town here. I have too much respect for him to believe that he could be like this as a villager. He’s a wolf. 100%

[Arete]

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
an_gorta_pratai	Leafia, Wiisp	2/6

[Leafia]

Ele, considering she’s a dead townie, is more townie looking than Vulgard technically, but I do think Vulgard is town.

[Wisp]

I meant you lol
Names are hard

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Wisp

This feels like more TMI, in wolf!Gorta worlds

I played with town derps several times I know how town derps acts

[Wisp]

The only instance I have with town derps is him doing pretty much nothing so

[an_gorta_pratai]

I played a few hydras with derps as well, so that’s why I sort of understand derps

[Leafia]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Leafia

Plus, you never explained why you hard defended Mole, who happened to be scum. That’s what a villager would’ve done I think. A villager would understand me scumreading them after how you hard defended Mole.

It’s simple. I thought Mole was a townie and if you want to know why read my initial reads list

Explain why right now why you thought Mole was town. I’m not doing your work for you and why did it take you this long to answer and why was the answer so bland?