[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[an_gorta_pratai]

Me and derps both hydra’d together a few times

[Leafia]

Oh. Laughs Yup. They are hard. Pretty sure that you’re town right now too.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@an_gorta_pratai

In regards to Moleland: I think mole is probably town. The paranoia of Leafia seems valid, Mole is pinging inactives for contribution, and their progression on slots like leafia seems fine. I just think this will flip town, but then again I haven’t seen too many Moleland scum games

@an_gorta_pratai

Elephas

I don’t feel as strongly about Ele being town as I did about Mole, but I kind of don’t mind this slot as much as some others. Their progression on reads is semi natural, they aren’t pushing for people to claim or JOAT cover (a bad idea), and they are trying to get inactives to speak up. I think this is likely town(?), but there are still some posts that are odd and keep me from calling this a stronger town read.

Mole Re-eval

I don’t have much more to say here. I still think this is likely town, but I don’t like the stuff about JOAT cover. I think the JOAT stuff could just be a difference of opinion though. I suppose you could say I have less of a TR on mole for it, but I don’t think I can call that slot scum yet

Flameo

I don’t like this slot. You can scream this is just “OMGUS”, but I hate how their entire stuff on me is just shading and trying to get me out. Overall this slot seems less solvey than others, has a scummy tone, and from what I can tell they just go with whatever is being pushed at the time.

Vulgard

Oh boy, this is a slot that I don’t get many town pings from. In the past I have read Vul correctly (even when he was pushed) and I don’t see those town pings here. I don’t know what it is, but I don’t feel this slot is as towny as usual. I can case this more later, but my initial impressions are a slight scum read

I am probably wrong on at least one of these though

These are all of my reads so far

[an_gorta_pratai]

I forgot my read on Ash, but I can quote that as well

[Wisp]

Speaking of random Joat cover, Mole coming out like, “I’ll join in, I doc’d X” just looks super bad now lmao
I’m pretty sure he said it was Vulgard, which probably is more reason to see them as town

[an_gorta_pratai]

I want to say that I think Vul’s posting looks slightly better today in my opinion

[Leafia]

@an_gorta_pratai

@an_gorta_pratai

Elephas

I don’t feel as strongly about Ele being town as I did about Mole, but I kind of don’t mind this slot as much as some others. Their progression on reads is semi natural, they aren’t pushing for people to claim or JOAT cover (a bad idea), and they are trying to get inactives to speak up. I think this is likely town(?), but there are still some posts that are odd and keep me from calling this a stronger town read.

Mole Re-eval

I don’t have much more to say here. I still think this is likely town, but I don’t like the stuff about JOAT cover. I think the JOAT stuff could just be a difference of opinion though. I suppose you could say I have less of a TR on mole for it, but I don’t think I can call that slot scum yet

Flameo

I don’t like this slot. You can scream this is just “OMGUS”, but I hate how their entire stuff on me is just shading and trying to get me out. Overall this slot seems less solvey than others, has a scummy tone, and from what I can tell they just go with whatever is being pushed at the time.

Vulgard

Oh boy, this is a slot that I don’t get many town pings from. In the past I have read Vul correctly (even when he was pushed) and I don’t see those town pings here. I don’t know what it is, but I don’t feel this slot is as towny as usual. I can case this more later, but my initial impressions are a slight scum read

I am probably wrong on at least one of these though

These are all of my reads so far

Calls Mole likely town yet hard defends him. You don’t hard defend someone you only see as likely being town. You only hard defend them if you see them being town as close to certainly the case. You don’t constantly say that someone is 100% town if you only view them as likely to be town.

[Leafia]

If you had quoted those posts of yours in response to my initial question, I’d be more inclined to believe that there’s a possibility that you’re town here, but you didn’t. You avoided the question entirely, which is very scummy behavior.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

Calls Mole likely town yet hard defends him. You don’t hard defend someone you only see as likely being town. You only hard defend them if you see them being town as close to certainly the case. You don’t constantly say that someone is 100% town if you only view them as likely to be town.

That was my d2 re-eval and Gorta reads usually have a few probablys and likelys

@Leafia

If you had quoted those posts of yours in response to my initial question, I’d be more inclined to believe that there’s a possibility that you’re town here, but you didn’t. You avoided the question entirely, which is very scummy behavior.

I didn’t initially quote that because I am a lazy bastard and there really isn’t much to explain as to why I townread Mole

[sulit]

alright I’m back but I’m p tired and basically looked at this game all morning so I think I’m just gonna take a break for a bit

[sulit]

so like

just ping me if you want me but probably not gonna do

anything new till later

[Leafia]

I’,m honestly surprised that Ele was the N2 kill and I think I know why the wolves killed him too. In the hopes of making Vulgard look bad. They saw that Ele trusted Vulgard completely and knew that they had to die. They were also likely worried that Elephas would be townreading me after Mole’s flip, which I doubt is something the wolves want.

Trust me when I say this fellow townies, but there’;s absolutely no world where Elephas dies N2 that has Vulgard as a wolf. If Vulgard was a wolf, then Elephas would be alive right now. Vulgard is as locked town as hew’d be if he was a revealed IC in my eyes right now.

[Leafia]

I don’t believe this much if at all.

[Leafia]

Suppertime for me now. I’ll be back later so see you all then.

[an_gorta_pratai]

The main reason I SR you is based on your posting early in the day. You have been trying to get town cred for executing Moleland and then going right into pushing me instead of looking at all of the options on the table.

@Leafia

hey saw that Ele trusted Vulgard completely and knew that they had to die. They were also likely worried that Elephas would be townreading me after Mole’s flip, which I doubt is something the wolves want.

Posts like these make me hate your slot this game. Why would they be concerned about a TR Leafia? If you were a concern they would just kill you like they did in FoL 29

[an_gorta_pratai]

It is worth noting that Mole did not Vote Flameo to self pres and instead voted a vanity wagon

[CallMeIo]

/Vote Flameo

For now.
I’ll have to go over him later.

[CallMeIo]

@Leafia

I’,m honestly surprised that Ele was the N2 kill and I think I know why the wolves killed him too. In the hopes of making Vulgard look bad. They saw that Ele trusted Vulgard completely and knew that they had to die. They were also likely worried that Elephas would be townreading me after Mole’s flip, which I doubt is something the wolves want.

Trust me when I say this fellow townies, but there’;s absolutely no world where Elephas dies N2 that has Vulgard as a wolf. If Vulgard was a wolf, then Elephas would be alive right now. Vulgard is as locked town as hew’d be if he was a revealed IC in my eyes right now.

Yeah Vulgard was always Town regardless due to that push on Mole.

[Arete]

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
an_gorta_pratai	Leafia, Wiisp	2/6
Flameo	CallMeIo	1/6

[CallMeIo]

Mole knew there was only 3 scum and made this: Ele/Vul/cat/wisp is the Wolf team

Making me believe 1 scum is within Cat and Wisp.