I think Leafia!JOAT would jump at Wazza
I canāt see literally anyone else not protecting Flameo there unless itās someone like Io.
Flameo was always getting killed. There is no way we have w/w wagons and BOTH claim JOAT. They just lose the game by default.
Flameo also buried PK.
Yes, Iām JOAT hunting, and I donāt care. At this point they should probably just out.
Wazza: Technically a potential busser, given how his activity peaked when he had an opportunity to dunk on PK, but wouldnāt yeet today.
Flameo: Literally lock clear. if we had w/w wagons they would NEVER both claim JOAT like they did. they just get counterclaimed and they eventually lose. also flameo caught PK in a lie and directly contributed to his yeet. I told you this was town, I told Leafia/Io they were tunneling town, and I was right. Listen to me instead of being tunnelers.
Centuries: Towny enough, fairly consistently throughout the game. Did not really take a stance here, which is eh, but I donāt think heās my priority.
Io: Blatant town still.
Sulit: Kinda like Centuries, except fewer reasons to call her towny as a whole, I think.
Intensify: Top suspect. Spent a lot of time defending Flameo for no apparent reason.
Leafia: Could be a brazen wolf, but I have doubts.
Vulgard
Flameo
CallMeIo
Never tinfoil there. I led two wolf wagons out of two wolf wagons now and immediately called out the PK claim as fake. Later, Flameo swooped in, claimed JOAT and caught PK in a lie. We are never wolves doing this here. Especially not Flameo. W/W wagons never both claim JOAT, thatās dumb.
CallMeIo is just so obviously reckless and disorganized town, I donāt even know if there is any point in my explaining it.
Centuries
sulit
They are kinda on the same level. I COULD call both of them scum, especially since their contributions to the wagons were not particularly notable. But I think Centuries is town because his open uncertainty about PK would make him look bad if PK were to flip red, which he did. Iām thinking he takes a stronger stance as scum.
Sulit is also in that weird zone where she wasnāt taking strong stances, but I would expect scum to take a strong stance here. Either commit to a bus or defend your only remaining partner. Bad reason to clear her, and a reason I wouldnāt use for long, but I think itās enough not to look at her TODAY.
Wazza
I think he couldāve bussed here, honestly, but his theatrics with claiming VT earlier in the game, then claiming JOAT this EOD and claiming VT again while simultaneously sitting on PK wagon all the timeā¦ Well, it could be scum theatrics. I honestly donāt think itās 100% town. Not anymore.
Leafia
I think itās either extremely tunneled town or just an openwolfer. One of the two. Would always yeet in final 3, probably. Right now still leaning town but willing to change my mind.
Intensify
I think heās the remaining wolf. Believed both JOAT claims immediately, thenā¦ flipped to not believing Flameoās JOAT claim in the very next post. āCall me scum all you want, but Flameo is clearly trying to execute a Joat claim before they eventually die.ā
āCall me scum all you want.ā
Well, I will.
The post about sulit that comes next looks really weird. Itās likeā¦ heās shading sulit for voting on the PK wagon, which he claims is āa wagon on someone self-resolvingā. āYou havenāt proven youāre townā is a textbook wolfy statement.
Kept defending the PK scumslip with his disjointed claim by saying that āreal JOAT fakes results in JOAT cover.ā
āIf Flameo flips town of any sorts, Iāll be so pissed at him for pushing a self-resolving slot, but heās not town thankfully unless Arete wants to troll usā
Looks incredibly performative. Note that Intensify has been hyperfocused on the JOAT debate instead of solving anyone else, for the most part. I get the impression it mattered to him a lot. Which could be the case if he were a villager, since there was a nigh-guaranteed wolf in Flameo/PK, but I feel like he cares as a wolf. Canāt really describe it.
āBut the fact that Flameo decides to push another Joat if he was Joat is completely unbelievable to meā
Butā¦ he instantly believed Flameoās claim earlier.
āSecond, why did Flameo feel like pushing said self-resolving when he is Joat and could idk just track him.ā
WHEN HE IS JOAT.
Intensifyās posts sound like he is struggling with TMI.
He then keeps harddefending PK. Okay. You could say that āhe wouldnāt harddefend his partner!! it makes him look like a wolf!!ā But he wasnāt the only one. Iām scumreading him specifically because of the way heās doing it. He goes from taking both JOAT claims as real, to flipping on Flameo when he realizes that PK is in danger of getting yeeted, and harddefending PK going forward without using any of PKās posts to prove heās town.
He also completely ignores Flameoās post #4149 despite reading the thread, and the followup to that post, instead calling Flameo āsomeone who is trying to misyeet PKā and āa fake JOAT claim.ā But first, he actually believes the claim, which is kinda weird. Itās like he forgot he had TMI.
Note post #4491. Everything in that post is logic you could also apply to PK, but Intensify is completely ignoring PK and not even trying to entertain the possibility of PK being a wolf. Could be a blind villager, but honestlyā¦ think about it in simple terms.
Itās like he randomly decided that PK is the JOAT and Flameo counterclaimed to misyeet him forā¦ whatever reason.
Seriously, look at it in a vacuum. You are Flameo, you are a wolf. The top wagon claims JOAT. You are the other wagon.
Do youā¦ claim JOAT just to get them misyeeted? You just die the next day. Youāve made yourself super suspicious for tunneling another JOAT claim when there are 2 potential JOATs. The real second JOAT counterclaims you come tomorrow if you donāt manage to nightkill them, and town will believe that JOAT. Maybe you get yeeted if you donāt claim, and you could try to claim to get the final misyeet before your demise, but you should defend yourself in other ways beforehand.
But if youāre Intensify, you absolutely want to get a real JOAT yeeted over your partner, because that gives your partner one more day and yeets someone who is LOCK CLEAR if you donāt. The lock clear also doesnāt die, because the other JOAT always heals them at night. And you end up with at least 1 JOAT alive, with only one wolf alive. You are fucked.
It makes sense Intensify would harddefend PK so hard. And yes, there were other people tunneling Flameo, but one of them is blatant town and the otherā¦ at least didnāt pretend that PKās claim was towny? They were just fixated on Flameo really badly. I mean Leafia.
So, the world Iām in is that either Wazza bussed PK and is trying to ride the cred, or (more likely) Intensify is a wolf with PK and harddefended him to make sure they wouldnāt get screwed over. 1 wolf alive with both JOATs alive (one of whom is lock clear and always gets healed by the other JOAT) is a huge problem for the wolves. You donāt want that to happen.
After Flameoās JOAT flip, Intensify would just say that āoops I was wrongā and try to defend himself that way. PK would get yeeted, probably, but at least there would only be one JOAT left, and maybe they could kill the JOAT. Their chances increase.
I think it makes the most sense overall (that Intensify would be PKās wolf partner). Weāll see what the others think. Iām open to Leafia and Wazza being possibilities, though I do think that the bus would be kinda weird on Wazzaās part, and I do think Leafia is a tunneled villager. Might change my mind, however.
Looked back at Intensifyās ISO and he never shows any concern about yeeting sulit or Flameo, but when itās PK, he immediately harddefends them.
#3794
āIf Sulit and Flameo both flip town somehowā
I suppose itās a vocabulary thing at this point.
āFirst as to who I would vote. I guess Flameo for nowā¦ keyword being now. I havenāt ISOāed Sulit yet, so me voting them just because a couple told me to is dumb. However for Flameo, I originally liked their posts in day 1, I felt like they were towny. However, as days passed on, I felt like their posts got worse? They had a strong start, but it dropped slowly for me.ā
#3953
Note the progression on Flameo. Initially townread, then kinda dropping.
#3969
Acknowledges that PKās posts are not very good.
#3974
āNo resistance on PK.ā
Possibly an argument not to yeet them. Looks bad in light of PKās flip. āOh, heās kinda scummy, but no resistance so maybe town?ā
#3980
āI feel like scum would try to save PK hereā
Hahahaha.
#4007
Now defending PK despite considering his posts not very good. āNO RESISTANCE DOE.ā Complains about Wazza pushing him.
#4449
Now harddefends PK and hardpushes Flameo. Flameo is about to bury a wolf here, and suddenly Intensify is all like āI MUST SAVE PK.ā
Also, he didnāt react like this to Wazza pushing PK because PK was not in as much danger back then.
#4458
āFlameo was on the verge of being lonched, of course he would claim Joat.ā
PK DID THE EXACT SAME THING.
But Intensify is ignoring it because āNO RESISTANCE DOE.ā
#4483
āThe Joat claim, which was PK. You could say PK was scummy, but in the end they can just self-resolve or be tracked by Joat but yet Flameo still pushes them for this entire dayā
FLAMEO CAN SELF-RESOLVE TOO.
This is someone who wants a JOAT yeeted because otherwise they are in trouble.
Like, Intensify is intentionally ignoring things which do not fit his narrative. He spent a lot of time harddefending a wolf without evaluating PK as āpotentially a wolf.ā Just a few off-hand comments.
His wolfread on Flameo rests on Flameo claiming JOAT and pushing PK. Intensifyās stance on JOAT claims was allegedly ālet them resolve,ā but Flameoās different because heāsā¦ pushing PK?
This looks like chainsaw to me.
I could be wrong, but yeah, after going through the ISO, I still think Intensifyās a wolf.
Think you could case Intensify TWTBAW / similar to Gorta hardcore defending wolf
particularly seeing how poor the village has been playing
I think thatās the most important point about Intensify in this whole wall. Intensify ākinda scumreads PK but no resistance so PK possibly town?ā And then, when Flameo catches PK in a lie, Intensifyās read flips to āPK IS TOWN AND FLAMEO IS MISYEETING HIM.ā
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
The timing of the read flip and the way it flipped is the real problem. Itās perfectly aligned with what a wolf would want to do.
unless you are our second JOAT and donāt heal the person who always gets nightkilled last night.
Yes, Iām slightly salty.
I donāt think village has been playing badly, I just think weāve had a serious tunnel problem.
Issue is that all our good villagers got yeeted/killed yotta fast and then weāre left with Io/Leafia stuff
Maybe I should also point out that I played with Intensify exactly once before and he was really obvious town. In this game, heāsā¦ not.
Actually, you were in that game. Dreaming Gods FM. I called Intensify super obvious town and maintained that stance throughout the game.