[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[CallMeIo]

@Wazza

I read Io as Sulit for some reason,

I stick with Io being ranged from scummy to townie (I re-eval’d them and their content before all the things happened wasn’t too bad)

@Wazza

But, a few points I have to make:

• Calling someone a JOAT based on their softs is bad because Vanilla Town should always soft JOAT (Hypocritical for me this game but you get the point)
• Calling someone a JOAT is bad since if they’re actually a JOAT you’re putting them on the chopping block.
• The fact you’re calling them JOAT publicly makes me think you’re Town though since I really doubt you’d do that as scum.

Tone Town.
Sorry I doubted you.

[CallMeIo]

If you were scum.
I would have seen the tone today.
I see a Town Tone.

[CallMeIo]

Scum!Wazza never Re-Evaluates me into Null Town.

[Centuries]

Gonna do EoD because I wasn’t there and I haven’t really talked about it

I think Derps look townier from yesterday’s vote

@SirDerpsAlot

Top two wagons are town

That’s like his last actual post of the day and I don’t think he’d just blatantly TMI Ash as town + he made actual attempts to defend ash now he didn’t really use his vote effectively which is eh but overall I think town

@Vulgard

Like, if wagons are V/V then Flameo failing to say anything meaningful about either of them is a horrendous look.

This exists idk what Vulgard think of Flameo rn @Vulgard can you state how this line of thought evolved?

@ash4fun

So there’s my case on Mole.

Going through the iso, I’m finding a lot of stuff I consider wolfy like shading and hedging. Also more nullreads than I think a normal town player should have at this point in the game.

One thing I didn’t really find was agenda though. They don’t seem to actually be trying to push the exe or town consensus any particular direction.

So yeah this is why I think mole is the exe for today. It’d make me happy if someone did something of the same sort for me, but it might be too late in the day for that.

TL;DR:
y’all should vote mole

I feel like we’re doing a bad job at respecting our fellow day 1 lynch’s will :^)

@Vulgard

Paragraph 1: Mole shades a lot, hedges a lot, and has too many nullreads. Scummy.
Paragraph 2: But he has no agenda…
Paragraph 3: But he should still die.
Paragraph 4: You should vote him.

I feel like there’s something off about this progression. It’s like you saw signs of towniness (lack of agenda) and decided to ignore them (you want Mole dead anyway).

This is kinda wack though, I don’t think Ash yeet was justified and it’s like a worse~ish look for Vul

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@DatBird

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Wiisp	Moleland	1/8
Moleland	CallMeIo, Vulgard, ash4fun, Wiisp	4/8
ash4fun	CatLover, Elephas, Sulit	3/8
CallMeIo	katze, Wazza, Leafia	3/8
Catlover	SirDerpsAlot	1/8
katze	centuries	1/8

Gorta hoping on Ash is definetly worse look also

@ash4fun

@Moleland
@SirDerpsAlot
@Centuries
@an_gorta_pratai
@Flameo

I kinda think this wasn’t an awesome moment seeing how you got yeeted

@ash4fun

I happen to tr two of the people on my wagon.

My sleep-deprived play yesterday had some icky stuff ig, and catlover’s and elephas’s progressions on me seem real.

Sulit on the other hand, well,

@sulit

/vote ash

wheeeeee

Like it isn’t lockscum levels bad but it’s pretty bad. Especially if someone else flips scum.

Agree~ish

@ash4fun

I still don’t think it’s fair to compare d3 reads that have been confirmed by flips to d1 reads, and afaik I’m not undercutting previous posts. But I guess the vote makes a bit more sense.

But then that’s also fair

I still think Sulit has been eh

@ash4fun

I think I mostly agree with you about gorta. Having a lot of “but then again maybe not” phrases is nagl.

@ash4fun

is a non-scum motivation for that imo.

I’m more ehh on Gorta tbh

@katze

when vulgard is a wolf i usually hate almost all of his posts, especially his entrances and when he’s under pressure

Is it dumb if I say that I think Vul is town because I trust Kat’s judgement

@Flameo

I notice now, it’s almost EoD, so I’ll cut this short and pick it up later. From going through these posts more in full. I think Vulgard deserves a lot more scrutiny and I’m definitely reading him as scummier still.

Not gonna quote the entire post but I think you overrate Vul’s TRs like some of the posts you quote as him TRing someone is like Vulgard saying

@Vulgard

Like, come on, guys. Look at these posts and tell me this isn’t LHF. I sense immense LHF energies.

Maybe I was wrong about calling their posts LHFy on purpose , but either way, yeah.

@Flameo

@Vulgard

I think you really overestimate the strength of my wolfread on you.

like those posts aren’t really townreading

@CatLover

What’s so bad about this???!!!

I fail to understand what you are getting at, at all!

I like CatLover getting angry

@an_gorta_pratai

I haven’t suggested some to CFD to, but I have suggested a CFD

Gorta is like really clueless though

@Wisp

I dont really get that Cat reaction, when EoD is in 8 minutes, and Ash is the top train

I think the reaction is really justified tbh

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I don’t really have a conclusion
I need to do more
Also very tired

[Leafia]

Sure. Both Catlover and Flameo have been hard at work trying to figure out the wolves and it shows. While it could be possibly faked, I don’t think they’d be acting the way they are if they were wolves.

[Leafia]

All three have been fairly villagery and no one has been relying on someone else more than you fmpov. I don’t think you’ve had a unique read all to yourself that wasn’t parroting someone else all game.

[Leafia]

I wish Katze was still alive. Their death really hurt the town.

[Wisp]

Lo weirds me out
so many conclusions are just bad
like they are pretty much just hit or miss
like, townie tone on Wazza, k, I mean given you probably need micro reads like in regards to that slot, but he has done nothing in regards to tone that can easily be faked

I agree with his joat statement in a way, but that also says nothing about his alignment
if Melo isn’t real, he most certainly is a wolf given his play here
Calling someone a joat that is playing that way, isn’t something mafia don’t already notice

[Centuries]

@Wisp

Lo weirds me out
so many conclusions are just bad

Yeah that’s my biggest issue this game

Some people just randomly push for bad reasons but I can’t SR all of them lol

[CallMeIo]

@Leafia

Sure. Both Catlover and Flameo have been hard at work trying to figure out the wolves and it shows. While it could be possibly faked, I don’t think they’d be acting the way they are if they were wolves.

That isn’t alignment indicative.
It’s just called a strong Playstyle, which they both have as well as Elephas.

[CallMeIo]

@Leafia

I wish Katze was still alive. Their death really hurt the town.

Not really?
It was just a real strange choice of kill.

[CallMeIo]

@Centuries

@Wisp

Lo weirds me out
so many conclusions are just bad

Yeah that’s my biggest issue this game

Some people just randomly push for bad reasons but I can’t SR all of them lol

Nothing I’ve been doing was for a bad reason.
Quite the opposite.

[Centuries]

@CallMeIo

Nothing I’ve been doing was for a bad reason.

You’re not like

the only person who I’m talking about fyi

[CallMeIo]

@Wisp

Lo weirds me out
so many conclusions are just bad
like they are pretty much just hit or miss
like, townie tone on Wazza, k, I mean given you probably need micro reads like in regards to that slot, but he has done nothing in regards to tone that can easily be faked

I agree with his joat statement in a way, but that also says nothing about his alignment
if Melo isn’t real, he most certainly is a wolf given his play here
Calling someone a joat that is playing that way, isn’t something mafia don’t already notice

How so?

[CallMeIo]

I’ve been In so many FM games that I can tell just by how you post if your town or scum.
Well in certain stances.

[CallMeIo]

Like mainly day 2 and maybe late day 1.
Beginning of Day 1 nothing is real solid.

[CallMeIo]

Like I know how people would play as Town/Scum.
If they make a post in their scum range they are most likely scum.
Wazza did something completely in their town range and Leafia did something completely in their town range day 1 and yes it was early but it was also tone tellable.

[Leafia]

If Katze hadn’t died, we’d be able to ghet a better read on Vulgard so yes it did hurt the town a lot. Also, you just reek of scummy agenda right now. What makes you so certain that what they’re doing is NAI for them?

[Leafia]

That’s not even remotely possible unless you’ve played with the person a lot. What may be NAI for someone might be someone else’s towntell and yet another person’s wolftell.

[Leafia]

Tones can easily be faked too.