[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Vulgard

openly defying people who are generally townread just for the sake of being stubborn and sticking to their guns.

How is this scummy? Blindly following the leader is never wise

@Elephas

Please quote them for me.

I am too tired right now, but I would be willing tomorrow

@Elephas

Well that’s not a true assessment. Flameo may not have that many posts, but they have more content than a majority of the players here. Did you read the right person?

I primarily operate with my gut, but I have been working on casing my reads better lately. I honestly got scum pings from Flameo

@Flameo

If you had READ, the list, you would have seen it was a list of all townreads, so you clearly did not read it. Completely justified for me to point that out.

Not every read in that list is a TR

@Flameo

No, I am saying that you know to hit some towny angles like asking for other games in order to metaread. Repeating the fact that we should not tie the vote during the lynch things like this.

I am acting like myself when I say this stuff. You should look at my other games if you don’t believe me.

@Flameo

You handled your posts like a checkbox list of “do this to get townread traditionally”. I wondered here if you are the kind of player to posture like that and simultaneously be skilled enough to hit multiple different angles.

I just do whatever the hell I want and don’t give a crap about what people think about said thing at times. I spent the entire game SRing one of the most trusted TRs one time and I was right at the end of the day.

@Flameo

Dead town reads have value, because you know they are unbiased. That’s a completely legit point.

They do have value, but Katze wasn’t hard pushing me and unvoted when it was going to a tie. Katze has been wrong in reads before though

@Flameo

You didn’t end up with a conclusion on how this makes me scum gorta. I don’t want to do another “trick” and have to fill in the blanks here, so please spell it out for everyone.

My gut says you are scum and then I think you are scum until I see contrary evidence. I have pretty good intuition when it comes to these games and have guessed the entire scum team before

@Elephas

Moleland is the lynch today

I hard veto this

@Elephas

If you are town, you have an obligation to make yourselves readable. Please contribute. Read through the thread and give your thoughts as they come to you. Spill every word that comes to mind.

Working on that part, but I am the type that only really says what’s on my mind anyway

[Moleland]

Well, I’ve consulted my Oracle

And he said Lo is never a wolf

[an_gorta_pratai]

/vote Flameo I haven’t liked this slot at all. You can bury me for it and if you think I am wrong then don’t follow, but I want to see Flameo go

[an_gorta_pratai]

also can we get a votecount?

[Flameo]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Flameo

If you had READ, the list, you would have seen it was a list of all townreads, so you clearly did not read it. Completely justified for me to point that out.

Not every read in that list is a TR

… What read is not a TR there? I literally quoted all of the reads in that readlist that ended up with a conclusion of them being more than likely town. I literally quoted all of them

@an_gorta_pratai

I am acting like myself when I say this stuff. You should look at my other games if you don’t believe me.

I’m not going to spend time reading other games. I dislike metareading regardless. How is it scummy for me to have led to this conclusion without knowing your apparent meta?

@an_gorta_pratai

I just do whatever the hell I want and don’t give a crap about what people think about said thing at times. I spent the entire game SRing one of the most trusted TRs one time and I was right at the end of the day.

How is this in relation to the point? How does this make me scum?

@an_gorta_pratai

@Flameo

Dead town reads have value, because you know they are unbiased. That’s a completely legit point.

They do have value, but Katze wasn’t hard pushing me and unvoted when it was going to a tie. Katze has been wrong in reads before though

So… it was still a legit point for me to make. Concession accepted.

@an_gorta_pratai

@Flameo

You didn’t end up with a conclusion on how this makes me scum gorta. I don’t want to do another “trick” and have to fill in the blanks here, so please spell it out for everyone.

My gut says you are scum and then I think you are scum until I see contrary evidence. I have pretty good intuition when it comes to these games and have guessed the entire scum team before

Okay, so no case… just “gut” again.

[Vulgard]

Hot take on Wazza: should not survive to YeetLo.

[Flameo]

It seems like Mole has just been slowly accepting death this whole day…

There is zero bark or bite.

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Vulgard	Flameo, Moleland	2/7
Moleland	Vulgard, Leafia, Wiisp, Elephas, Catlover	5/7
Wazza	Centuries	1/7
Flameo	CallMeIo, SirDerpsAlot, an_gorta_prarai	3/7

@ me for any mistakes or future votes

[Flameo]

/unvote

[Flameo]

Wait, I have 3 votes

[Flameo]

@SirDerpsAlot

What’s up?

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Vulgard	Moleland	1/7
Moleland	Vulgard, Leafia, Wiisp, Elephas, Catlover	5/7
Wazza	Centuries	1/7
Flameo	CallMeIo, SirDerpsAlot, an_gorta_prarai	3/7

@ me for any mistakes or future votesemphasized text

[Elephas]

@Moleland

Ok you are definitely town here.

Hopefully I have more time later tp explain my read.

There are two hours until this day ends. Either you explain it now, or you likely never explain it. Unless you are saying that IRL circumstances are making you short on time. In that case, I hope you are available soon.

@Wisp

Lo is not obvious town, his play here is actually more likely to come from a wolf, but the fact that he is probably the joat is something I have to consider

I agree with this. However, it doesn’t matter. They are not a priority at the moment.
Also, keep JOAT speculation to your classcard. No need to discuss it openly, even if it is something that seems harmless to say.

@an_gorta_pratai

I am too tired right now, but I would be willing tomorrow

Why do I feel as if this lack of caring comes from town.

@Vulgard

Hot take on Wazza: should not survive to YeetLo.

That’s a lukewarm take. I agree with you.

@Elephas

Aside: The thread feels dead right now. Yes, there are people posting, but there is not a lot of discussion going on. I am bad with thread-reads, but something feels off . There’s a reason its quiet. Please help me figure out why.

Also, thread picked up in the past hour.
I am… so incredibly bad at thread-reads. I should leave them to better players than myself.

[sulit]

There’s a couple people that shouldn’t survive to YeetLo

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Flameo

… What read is not a TR there? I literally quoted all of the reads in that readlist that ended up with a conclusion of them being more than likely town. I literally quoted all of them

I was not a town read and Katze has other reads as well, so you should take a look at them all

@Flameo

I’m not going to spend time reading other games. I dislike metareading regardless. How is it scummy for me to have led to this conclusion without knowing your apparent meta?

Then don’t, but I am not a damn wolf. I think you are

@Flameo

How is this in relation to the point? How does this make me scum?

I am explaining how I play this game

@Flameo

So… it was still a legit point for me to make. Concession accepted.

YOU WERE OUT HERE CLAIMING THAT SINCE TWO DEAD TOWNIES VOTED ME THAT I MUST BE A WOLF (Katze wasn’t hard pushing me and Ash was in self prez mode)

@Flameo

Okay, so no case… just “gut” again.

If you are alive tomorrow I will make a case

[Elephas]

@Elephas

You were the main proponent for the attempted CFD onto gorta at the end of the day yesterday.

Why have you not mentioned this player once today? Has your mind changed?

@CatLover

It just hasn’t been my priority at the moment. I’m working on ISOing the slots I am unsure about and am hoping to get that done by about Yesterday 5:00 PM .

After that, I’ll go more in-depth on an_gorta, but I would like a little bit of time to sort out my thoughts. I’ve been somewhat busy and scrapped my earlier ISOs because I was displeased with them but I should be able to get the ISOs finished before then and spend the remaining time I have discussing who exactly I would like my vote to be on.

I have yet to see this.
I find it off-putting that you suggested and pushed for a CFD at the end of the day yesterday, but you have yet to mention this player today in any of your reads.

[CatLover]

Why is Flameo a wagon? What are the reasons presented against that slot!

[CatLover]

I never ended up getting to complete my round of ISOs, they took me longer than expected (the vulgard one took me an hour and a half!), and I was busy for the rest of the day until I fell asleep.

I have been more focusing on ironing out the points that I do have before EoD, I do not think I have the time or the willpower to make another case on such short notice. I could do a mini-ISO, I guess, but I don’t know how fruitful it would be.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I don’t like how they are handling my slot tbqh. They have spent both days trying to get rid of me and constantly put shade on me. Those are my reasons. It just feels like they are a wolf trying to get rid of me in any way possible. If they live today I case that slot tomorrow

[Elephas]

To be quite honest, I don’t particularly care for you to do an Isolation-dive on gorta. I have now pointed out that you have not mentioned them, so it does not mean as much as if you did this on your own.

I would rather you have continued your progression on this slot. Your lack of mentioning them at all does not ping me the right way.

Do what you will, I suppose.