@SirDerpsAlot
@Wazza
@Centuries
@CatLover
@Vulgard
@an_gorta_pratai
@sulit
@CallMeIo
@Leafia
@Wisp
@Flameo
hello this is sulit
from the past
gonna look at people based on the mafia ™ flip
first person I wanted to look at is Wisp but I think he’s semi clear because of Mole’s push on them for the entirety of the game and because of this:
wait nevermind they changed votes
One thing that’s noticeable from this is
Everyone moved off the Mole wagon
So
Imma look at people besides Wisp that moved off 
Also gonna look at Mole’s push on Wisp more
I think refusing to give reasoning on it is… semi weird? Can’t get myself to decide if that’s scum AI for Wisp
I also apologize in advance if this post ends of taking up a shit ton of space because i’m using screenshots oops
eod stuff
Wisp -> Elphas to ash4fun
Elphas -> Wisp to ash4fun
Centuries -> katze to ash4fun
Centuries -> ash4fun to kat
Leafia -> ash4fun to CallMeIo
Wisp -> ash4fun to Moleland
Flameo -> ash4fun to no one
sulit -> Wazza to ash4fun
Wazza -> no one to CallMeIo
gorta -> no one to no exe
Wisp -> Moleland to ash4fun
katze -> CallMeIo to ash4fun
gorta -> no exe to ash4fun
katze -> ash4fun to CallmeIo
ash4fun -> Moleland to CallMeIo
Flameo -> no one to ash4fun
CatLover -> ash4fun to gorta
ash4fun -> CallMeIo to gorta
Wisp -> ash4fun to gorta
katze -> CallMeIo to gorta
katze -> gorta to unvote
People on EOD:
Derps
Conroy
Wisp
Vulgard
Flameo
Mole
katze
ash
CatLover
Elphas
gorta
Alrighty so.
I think Vulgard and CallMeIo look substantially better (like Vulgard wasn’t already town from last day but netuishtueshtshui)
CallMeIo because they remained on Mole and were an attempted CFD EOD.
Conroy is kinda ???
He didn’t have much reasoning to actually be voting kat, voted ash but voted off. He is eh. Eh.
Wisp also looks worse in my eyes, gonna ISO him and look specifically for thoughts on Mole/Ash because I think his ash vote is… super weird.
I really don’t like how Elphas left a vote on ash and was there for EOD but didn’t really do much afterwards, but I’ve found them towny otherwise so I’d probably save this if I ever make it to Lylo <small which is doubtful.
actually I did this too aaaa
I feel like gorta is almost TWTBAW. They vote ash even though they aren’t even really a wagon at a time, pushing them higher above Mole and kat leads a CFD on them. I’d like to ISO them after this but I think they should flip before anyone else tbh.
I can’t really decide what I think about Flameo. I think it’s relatively towny that they were on EOD and unvoted ash, didn’t vote anything else so it makes me think they’re unlikely to be scum, also their earlier interactions with Mole don’t seem to be w/w but I want to look back at this as well.
Derps was just on a vanity wagon the whole time. Which is a Derps thing to do. Not much thoughts about this.
CatLover is just town. I don’t think I could give a valid opinion on their EOD without being biased.
Gonna ISO gorta and Flameo next then, also Wisp too. Also wanna look at Leafia/Mole interactions. WHEEEEEEEEEEE.
This isn’t as bad as I originally thought, I think the progression makes sense here since there were more focused on ash most of the day.
I do kinda think it’s weird they dropped their Mole read but not weird enough to drop them into my immediate POE.
Alrighty so.
Flameo could definitely still be scum they’re not clear. I think it’s odd that they sus Mole earlier but they don’t really return to the read and don’t include them in their short list of reads afterwards. Their vote at EOD2 could be bussing because honestly Mole was always being lynched there, but their nervousness seems genuine. I think their reasoning for not liking the Mole wagon EOD1 was supported. They could be scum but I don’t think I want them lynched today. I do think if gorta flips scum they’re more likely to be scum, as they voted ash over gorta at EOD.
So, flip gorta before Flameo, again.
The switch to ash EOD is kinda weird bc they were confidently on Mole beforehand, but they have reasoning backing both reads and it isn’t as scummy as I previously thought. Againnnnn would flip gorta before as they voted him before EOD.
I think Leafia is fine ? Their progression on Mole makes sense and they basically scumread them all most all day. I think it’s a good look they’re the second vote on Mole too.
I forget if Leafia likes to bus, though. I also don’t think s!Mole immediately latches on to and focuses on their scummate, calling them town and generating a lot of content related to reading solely them. It feels more that Mole was TMIing Leafia town and trying to make content based on that to get townread.
SO
IN CONCLUSION
soolit
Vulgard
CallMeIo
Leafia
CatLover
Derps
Conroy
Elphas
Wazza
Flameo
Wisp
Gorta
I gradually got less focused while doin this so if anything doesn’t make sense please point it out to me because im a dummy sometimes.
E: It’s 2:57 right now and I forgot I wanted to look at how Mole pushed on Wisp as well and if it could be distancing, so I’l do that after day starts and change my read if I need to.
WE DID IT KITTIES!!! I knew it! 
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It’s really good that we got moleland! I was unable to figure out how to quote last night, it seemed broken! It made my cases a lot harder to do and so I decided I would jot down a few notes and finish them today. I will probably be busy for a couple hours, but I should have time later!
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I feel bad for ever doubting Elephas for a second now and I told everyone that Mole was scum. It seems my first assessment of him antagonizing me to try to make me look scummy was right. So, he has nothing really to apologize for. He was just trying to make me look scummy so town wouldn’t trust me, so he didn’t do anything wrong. He was just trying to win, so I guess we can be friends Mole. You’re not as bad as I thought you were.
This paints Gorta in a terrible light too, as he was hard defending Mole for no real reason EoD2. I personally think that Derps was just misguided. Him being a wolf isn’t impossible though.
looking at the reads on Mole from D1 vs D2 to figure out which vote(s) were likely a bus
Elphas
D1:
first vote on mole not a terrible look but by no means clearing
moves vote to ash pretty soon after, notable dosent have nearly as many posts quoted from mole but could be from lack of content not sure how many posts mole had at the time
later on in the day mole is left out of his “FoS” group.
“I see that our top two wagons are Moleland and Ash. I remember disliking Mole earlier in this game, but I have genuinely forgotten everything they have said recently
I will have to read through this player. But I am quite tired, so I may put it off until the morning.” [VFM] JoaT^2 - Night 2 (12/15)
(quotes arent working atm for me idk why)
here he votes ash over mole citing he remembered disliking mole earlier but couldn’t remember why.
[VFM] JoaT^2 - Night 2 (12/15)
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What was the purpose of this post?
[VFM] JoaT^2 - Night 2 (12/15)
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I’m not a fan of it. Posting a list like this, with no analysis, is an easy way to look like you are providing content. Please ping me when you have one that is “fleshed out.”
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I don’t care what your job is. I care that you post content that explains your thoughts, rather than a naked list with a majority of the slots being nulls.
[VFM] JoaT^2 - Night 2 (12/15)
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I do not have time to gather my thoughts at the moment, and may not be around for the end of this day, due to work. I am fine with the state of the wagons. If there are any questions for me, please ping me, and if I am around before the end of the day, I will answer.
he gets into an argument with mole about a bad reads list but leave right after and dosen’t seem to do anything with it.
ends the day sayign ash post on mole was bad and pre-dertimined which looking back could likely be a powerwolf attempt?
D2:
starts the day voring gorta, then after reading katze posts procedes to vote Vul.
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Okay going to reply to a few things. The fact that I was going to point out these exact posts is a good look for Flameo. I genuinely mindmelded with them on this. Overnight I did a slight bit of analysis, but didn’t have time to re-read a whole lot. I actually had the thought-process that if Vulgard is scum, you (Flameo) or katze would be the nightkill target. However, it is possible that katze was killed in a PR hunt. I don’t really see a reason for this though. Maybe someone else can take …
early lynch pool did not include mole
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The only thing keeping me from jumping onto this train is that it almost looks Too-Wolfy-To-Be-A-Wolf However, this line of thought may be clouding my judgement. It is more likely that he is just a wolf. I am absolutely fine with placing my vote here, though. I agree with a majority of the points you brought up in this post. I don’t feel the need to quote them all, but can if asked. Forgive me if I missed it, but I never saw your catch-up post? I would much rather see your natural thought…
says hes fine voting mole but still thinks mole could be TWTBAW
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I would normally talk to you about the case you just gave us, but I am short on time. I, however, do want to let you know that I agree with your assessment. I believe that Io has more scum equity, as well as NKA for the cherry-on-top, but disregarding Io, Mole is who I would like to see lynched next in line. I can case this player later when I have the time to do so.
now wants mole lynched next in line which seems weird seeing as he was just worried about voting the slot
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To be clear this is a half-joke. I wanted to see how Moleland reacted to that hypocritical statement, but it seems I failed in that regard. Anyways, the point stands. Moleland may not be the lynch today, but do not tunnel on them. Expand your horizons.
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Taking a break from the thread. Sulit please ping me when you finish your Isolation-dive on Centuries. CatLover please ping me when you have looked at players outside of Moleland.
Encouraging players to look outside of mole which could quite possibly be a backhanded way of trying to get someone to attempt a CFD
overall def a possible bus IMO
Catlover time
D1:
his first read on mole is =rand
his later read is that hes hard to read but may not be wolf?
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Hey there cool people! I should be here for most of the day until EoD. My current wagon thoughts on mole/ash wagons is that mole probably should be easier to read later down the line. I can’t say I like his attitude in the slightest, and this high-horse persona that he seems to have makes it difficult to read him without flips. That exe could improve game quality itself but I am unsure on if it hits a wolf. ash4fun wagon is the one that I started, and they have done nothing to change my mind. …
and…thats it.
D2:
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Moleland Case: I have already talked about why I disagree with moleland’s additude. I don’t think he’s been very nice in general but i’m not going to focus on that fact as of right now. What I want to focus on is his behavior with this in mind, particularly at the end of the day. I’ll out what I thought was the best way to read moleland (with flips). It all depends on convictions and actions afterwards. A player like him, as town, will think they are right, and will react to being right/wrong …
after a re-eval he swaps to his top mafia
he spends a lot of EoD arguing with mole
Gorta hard defending mole through EVERYTHING is very unlikely W/W tbh
Well
mole was definitley in anti-spew twords EoD 2
wiisp is probably town based on their conviction of W them
his interaction with Flameo is interesting looking back at his thinking for the main wagons EoD1 he has flameo has a scum read but later just changed it to a town read. This seems like an excuse to not self preserve on a potential W/W buddy.n
Specifically the “I mean I think it’s possible” pinged me really hard
Gorta is generally very set in their reads so that bit is the one thing holding me back from just saying their town
Yeah, I’m a big busser, although in the one scumgame I had with Mole as a teammate, we were at each other’s throats the entire time he was alive.
I agree completely with this. That and trying to make me look scummy in the process. He said it surprised him that I didn’t get all defensive and LAMIST, and I believe him when he says that. He expected me to go all LAMIST and probably wanted me to be theD1 misyeet.
I’m going to listen to and trust Elephas. Vulgard is a villager.
I don’t flip scum. Do you think I hard defend my wolf buddy like that? Hell no! I don’t defend my wolf buddy because that looks sus as hell
I said ash was weird, but I didn’t know if it was in a scum way. I was asking you why you thought ash was town because you said that it was a t/t wagon. I thought that Mole was town, but wasn’t sure on ash. I knew both worlds were possible
As for Derps saying that Gorta is very likely a villager, I’m placing the same amount of trust in that that I placed in him saying that Mole is a villager at EoD 2. While I do think he’s town, I trust his judgement on who scum and town are even less than I could throw an Elephant.
I’m stuck at work all day
I told u mole was a wolf, ez game