[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Centuries]

@Vulgard

I’m… not calling you town based on activity. I think the process you’re going through while generating your reads is more towny for you than not, and I don’t think you’ve been pushing agenda.

But you’re not voicing that fact

@Vulgard

Centuries is barely doing anything either, but it’s unfortunately town AI for him. Even more unfortunately, it’s easy as hell to fake as scum, so yeah. Bad.

[Vulgard]

Yeah, my sample size for your wolfgame is very small, and I frankly don’t think wolf!you would be playing like this in the current gamestate, so that’s pretty much why I’m calling you town.
I also liked your day 1. And gamer.

[Vulgard]

With 2 wolves alive, you have 2 potential misyeets in there.
Start getting people out. That’s your job as a villager. Establish a winning PoE.
Work with other villagers, they can help you.

[Centuries]

[Vulgard]

I also think you have this slightly memey and slightly “i don’t caaaaaaaaaaaaaare” energy as town, and I feel that in my soul this game.
Overall, gamer x3.

Anyway, I think I’ve said most of the stuff I wanted to say so far. Should be here at EoD to make sure gorta gets yeeted, I don’t think I will be accepting substitutes unless he suddenly becomes towny.

[Flameo]

This isn’t a reason, this is just stating in a different way that I’m at the bottom of your readlist, not why.

[Flameo]

Your vote would be implying I’d be at the bottom.

[Vulgard]

Hey Flameo

Talk to me about what your reads are and what your PoE is. Gotta work together to take the game to the bank.

[Intensify]

@Arete

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
an_gorta_pratai	Leafia, Intensify, Flameo	3/6
Flameo	SirDerpsAlot	1/6
Leafia	Wazza	1/6
sulit	CallMeIo	1/6

Ping me if I missed any votes

@Arete
I haven’t voted yet

[CallMeIo]

[quote=“Flameo, post:3004, topic:83078, full:true”]

@CallMeIo

Moleland Amount of Interactions with each alive player

Leafia - 30
Io - 9
Wisp - 14
CatLover - 19
Flameo - 13
Suilt - 1 (on day of Mole’s yeet)
Wazza - 6
Vulgard - 26
Gorta - 6
Centuries - 4
Derps - 2

Ok I find this real odd concerning Suilt here.
However as for Leafia I don’t believe Scum interacts that much with their scum buddies.
Like at the start of Day 1 Mole interacts with Leafia and continues forward.
Doesn’t feel like something a W/W would ever do.
As for Suilt let me check how much posts they have.

I think this is a weak argument, considering you might as well have pulled Derps/Centuries/Wazza from this. I didn’t count again and look at the interactions, but this isn’t a strong argument just for Sulit.

@CallMeIo

@Elephas

Katze’s reads:

sulit

@katze

i dont get why me predicting what you’d do is town AI of me

and i obviously disagree that im conscious about what i post as scum even though my last wolf game would support that theory, every other wolf game i’ve had (bar my very first) doesn’t support this

@katze

meta wise sulits doing okay

i was on her ass in her first few posts in her last wolf game and she’s kind of repeated something that pinged me in said wolf game (giving me an early townread) except in that game her justification was objectively false whereas here it feels more natural and, well, isn’t objectively false

@katze

sulit actually making a push on D1 is >rand V

bonus points because it felt real

@katze

fair

my standards are slightly low for a sulit D1 push and i think she met them

its more the fact that shes not just hiding in the sidelines and making shy noises really

@katze

when sulit is a wolf they don’t want to exist

when sulit is a villager they usually want to exist

sulit wants to exist

sulit is very likely to be town

if sulits WiM suddenly drops in the next day (Day 2) then be very cautious of them as they can somewhat feign wanting to exist as a wolf but struggle to keep up the facade for long

her WiM sometimes dies as a villager too but its usually much later in the game

@katze

Why

I’ll admit she’s been somewhat absent in the latter half of today but her first half of the day was fairly towny

Also when you saw my read list you didn’t even comment on sulit despite voting her, whys that

@katze

In the former half of the day I’d disagree with your assessment

I probably should be a bit more concerned on how they’ve slowed down

@katze

I don’t see it

I think if she continues to not exist that she should be yeeted tomorrow maybe

Not really considering a soolit yet today tho

He gives sulit a tentative townlean based on meta, then states that their push on Wazza is a good look. Please pay attention to the fact that katze said that if sulit drops in activity, they are likely scum. This is important to note.
Make sure this player stays active, and make sure they are providing real content, not just posting to look active.

He also mentioned this like I did and ended up being the NK over Vulgard who didn’t mention that.

Vulgard had more pushers, like me, so it makes sense they weren’t night 1 kill. I still think Katze otherwise is an odd kill, but it makes sense to me that it wasn’t Vulgard.

@CallMeIo

Ok yeah.
@Vulgard
@Flameo
@SirDerpsAlot

Their WIM Dropped Significantly.

Suilt’s Post Count - 183
Day 1: 106
Day 2: 63
Day 3: 14

Their Day 2 Count is Half of their Day 1 Posts +10.
They haven’t really posted much this Day.

They had a giant post at start of day though. I’m not going to swap lynch based on one dead townies reads. Plus Elephas did that bolded thing for like 4/5 of Katze’s reads…

@Elephas

CallMeIo

@katze

i didnt really remember too many of their posts initially so i took a reread

i dont really feel like they’re doing anything except making their own towncore

like they feel like they just exist in thread and i don’t feel like they add very much to it

@CallMeIo

However, I feel that Flameo’s response was genuine. I think scum would have said it differently.

He might be scum but I’m not going to jump to any conclusions yet.

like this is a unique thought

but there’s no meat to this bone, and the conclusion is second guessing themselves

@Leafia

Leafia: The hosts messed up and gave me her rolecard. Locktown.

@CallMeIo

Call me Bias.

But I TR Leafia for Bolded .

this too

why do you TR leafia for a joke that isn’t that uncommon on this site

the quotes kinda broke so im quarantining them here

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

@CallMeIo

Even though I’m Town)

[/quote]

What does this even mean?
[/quote]

It means that my Rolecard is Green!

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

@Moleland

@CallMeIo

(Even though I’m Town)

[/quote]

What does this even mean?
[/quote]

This comment is a ‘Duh’ moment. There’s no reason to add the ‘Even though I’m town’ part of this post. It’s not like you can be friendly neutral in this game.

/Vote callmelo
[/quote]

Well I didn’t want anyone to jump to any conclusions.
If I didn’t say what I said someone might misunderstand what I’m trying to say.

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

But… Why was this comment needed?

[/quote]

Re-Quote my post and remove that comment and see for yourself.

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

Tempted to just policy vote Mole for 429

[/quote]

But will you?
/Vote Mole
How about now?

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

I have a wolf PoE of like

Elephas/ Mole /Flameo, dont know if that makes sense as a team, but on an individual level they all bring posts that I hate
[/quote]

I don’t mind this PoE.
Not sure on Flameo, but the other 2 seem fine.

@CallMeIo

Tier D - Good Chance to be Scum

Elephas
Mole

the progression on moleland here feels kinda wack

as far as i can tell i quoted every post in their ISO regarding moleland

wouldn’t mind seeing this player yeeted atm

wanna hear more progression from them though

I highlighted sentences that I think are important.

Also please ignore all of the [/quote]s. I was too lazy to fix every quote individually, and if I remove a single [/quote] it destroys the post.

This is one of katze’s strongest reads, as he ended up voting on this wagon at the end of the day, and even suggested a CFD to it.
I think it is very important that we make sure this player contributes to the thread , as katze said they are simply existing, and he wants to see more progression.
If katze was not killed in a PR hunt, this is another read that could have contributed to him being selected as the nightkill.

[quote=“Elephas, post:1568, topic:83078”]
Vulgard

@katze

my only reservation with vulgard at the moment is

posts

@katze

@Vulgard

This is the exact same reaction I got last time I correctly townread him as town, so yeah. Lock it in.

Something’s up with kat this game, I think. Their entrance felt… slow. Like they tried to settle into the thread as easily as possible (by voting sulit) instead of doing it naturally. Don’t know if it makes sense, but it’s worth a vote fmpov.

/vote katze
[/quote]

elaborate on this thought
[/quote]

@Vulgard

I no longer think that after you wrote this, so any explanation is going to be moot.

@katze

what post of mine changed your mind?

@Vulgard

Literally the one I responded to, I think the way you’re handling my slot is very consistent with your villagery thought process in the last FoL.

But this time, we can actually solve the game together instead of going after each other. You in?

i don’t fully understand or follow his thought process here

it doesn’t feel natural?

but the rest of his posting seems fine

i’ll probably have a 100% read on vulgard by EoD anyway

@katze

their posts were most likely written by a villager

that’s the easiest way to describe my read on him but i know he hates it so i’ll try to explain it as best as i can

when vulgard is a villager, his posts have a certain level of genuineness that he is really not good at replicating as a wolf

his level of fake solving as a wolf is good at face value, but when you look at it under a microscope they’re much weaker posts than when he’s a villager

and his posts have not felt like his wolf posts

but generally when vulgard is a villager you’ll see one post and its like

“this post cannot ever come from wolf!Vulgard”

i have not seen that post

but i don’t hate his posts

so he’s probably just town

@katze

i saw him in thread and remembered that i hadn’t seen much of him for a while

like i said in my thoughts posts he didn’t have that one post that convinced me he was a villager yet

but his posting has been fine and since then (just caught up) I think he’s still moderately towny

still haven’t seen the post to lock it in though

(also the wording was half a reference to a prior game)

@katze

at the end of it i didn’t scumread him

i thought those specific posts were odd but i thought the rest of his posts were fine

when vulgard is a wolf i usually hate almost all of his posts, especially his entrances and when he’s under pressure

@katze

i just realized vulgards opening posts are selfvoting and calling himself a wolf (historically they’re more memey as a wolf but they’ve toned their memeiness up as a villager somewhat)

and the fact they’re still yet to write a post that never comes from wolfgard

@katze

dont think i’d yeet him today still

but had i seen that earlier i’d probably have been more wary on him

I highlighted the sentences I see as important.

In an early post, katze said that he is fairly comfortable reading Vulgard, and likely the best in the thread at doing so. He stated that by the end of the day, he would have a “100% read,” yet states that Vulgard is probably a villager. This is not 100%.

I do think that if katze were killed for any of his reads, it is very likely this one.
Although he ended up townleaning Vulgard, it is quite clear that katze is good at reading this player, and if katze were not killed early, he may have called Vulgard out as scum.

If katze were killed late, this read would likely be treated almost as a check upon his VT flip.

WAIT. You literally bolded that stuff yourself… this is a massive cherrypick, wouldn’t you say?

What do you think about Sulit posting about Elephas as part of their giantpost at start of day? It didn’t feel fake to me.

@Flameo

@sulit

I really don’t like how Elphas left a vote on ash and was there for EOD but didn’t really do much afterwards, but I’ve found them towny otherwise so I’d probably save this if I ever make it to Lylo <small which is doubtful.

@sulit

Elphas

I wonder if Sulit makes this giantpost mentioning Elephas in advance, while actively already knowing they are going to kill Elephas and only in unlikely situations where they would be JOAT healed, this would be of merit. I’m guessing unlikely.

There’s nothing special about the last post you’ve shown there.
That is NAI and OFC they can still kill Elephas when they posted that post.
Who said it was in advance though? NK’s normally happen after events of the previous day occurring rather then it being pre planned.
Know what I think? I think Suilt is your bud and your defending them here.

[CallMeIo]

@Vulgard

/vote Leafia Perfectly balanced.

Not really, but you get the idea.

Leafia is Town.
Don’t be the big dumb FFS!
I explained that Mole literally can’t be partners with Leafia via Interactions.

[CallMeIo]

@Vulgard

Yeeting Leafia is going to make me feel bad if she’s town, and the same applies to gorta, but we gotta do what we gotta do, right?

I need a VC before I make any further decisions.

Or we could you know.
Lynch Suilt which is our better option here.

[CallMeIo]

@an_gorta_pratai

I also think Leafia is the best execution for reasons I stated above and I should be on before the EoD, but if I am not /vote Leafia

Are you going to ignore me on Suilt?

[CallMeIo]

@sulit

I don’t really have a lot of time today I’ll be at tryouts most of the day but I’ll try to get on EOD

I don’t like the push on my but it comes form like

all my townreads

reeeeeeeeeee

Ok so they have made a couple posts this game about having to go places when they really didn’t need to mention it?
It’s NAI but it’s continuous.

@sulit

I really don’t think Wisp should be cleared as heir play is ??? And their interactions with mole aren’t really clearing

Yet they have the nerve to say this despite them saying they have to go.
They didn’t even look if Wisp is replaced.
Want another good reason to yeet Suilt?
Suilt flipping scum automatically clears Wisp’s Slot.
Because if Suilt was scum they would have said “Intensify” as they would have known about that replacement happening in the Scum Chat.

@sulit

I wanted to make an actual case today but I never had time to actually do it

Another Contentless/Filler.
Why even mention this? Just make cases when you can make cases.

@sulit

I don’t think me losing WiM applies I’ve just gotten more busy as the game progresses

I think I’ve still been making enough content and I don’t think my post at SOD qualifies as

Losing WiM

Ok this is a slip LOL.

@an_gorta_pratai
@Wazza
@Vulgard
@Intensify
@Centuries
Read this and read it again.
The sentence isn’t structured properly.
It’s like Suilt was trying to attempt to say “I don’t think me losing WiM applies I’m Scum I’ve just gotten more busy at the game at progress”
Like they didn’t say that. It’s a scum mindset.
You rush over things, panicky and decide you need to quickly say it but you end up messing it up without realizing it because someone caught you.
I’ve seen it in FM before.
I’m also now 100% confident Suilt flips Scum here.

  [quote="sulit, post:3075, topic:83078, full:true"]

Don’t really like how Wazza’s basically disappeared today
Huh he was here earlier

Did not notice
[/quote]
(Combined both Quotes)

Then finishes off with this.
It’s like what is the point of this?
For players to draw Wazza as the next viable yeet target?
Sorry Suilt but as long as I’m alive I’ll be saving Wazza’s ass and defending them the whole way through. I practically have a green check on them.
@sulit if you want to mislynch Wazza I suppose your going to have to find a way to manage to live through this day without getting yeeted and NK me tonight.

@sulit

@Vulgard

Can you weigh in with more advanced thoughts about the gamestate, Mole’s wagon, who’s where on your readlist, etc.?

Yeah I can look at D2 as well

@Vulgard

Not sure what to think about sulit mostly just floating and randomly pointing out how Wazza disappeared. Sure, it’s a thing, but I’d rather see her evaluate more important players, especially since we yeeted a wolf yesterday. Surely that changes her reads, especially since she was townreading Mole at some point.

I did that yesterday

Saturday?

I did that Saturday

Well there’s also this here. Which is NAI.

[CallMeIo]

If We don’t yeet Suilt and I’m killed tonight, you know who to yeet.
If that still won’t convince you to yeet Suilt that you guys need to gain more faith.
In fact even if you aren’t convince I want everyone to re-quote some of my posts or at least 1 of my quote on Suilt or your scum claiming/terrible Town.
How about that? Hmm.

[CallMeIo]

@Intensify

@Arete

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
an_gorta_pratai	Leafia, Intensify, Flameo	3/6
Flameo	SirDerpsAlot	1/6
Leafia	Wazza	1/6
sulit	CallMeIo	1/6

Ping me if I missed any votes

@Arete
I haven’t voted yet

@Intensify Wisp has.
You’ll need to Unvote.

[Intensify]

/unvote
Haven’t finished reading thread

[CallMeIo]

Oh I thought you had to go Suilt.
Why you typing?

[CallMeIo]

@Intensify

/unvote
Haven’t finished reading thread

@Arete

[CallMeIo]

(“Pops Ultimate”)

@sulit Leave this Realm!