[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Centuries]

I don’t care about your what ifs

if you’re town it just makes you look worse o_O

[EliThePsycho]

it was mostly the self-meta part

[Flameo]

@Leafia

I’m relieved that Callmelo survived the night although at the same time, it shows that the wolves are smart. If they had killed Callmelo, muslynching me would’ve been practically cally impossible because there’s no world in which Callmelo dies N3 where I’m scum. I’ve come to a realization too. I’m now 10 ppl%certain that Callmelo is not only town but correct on who the scumteam is. I’m just sorry I was too wrapped up in thinking that Gorta was scum to listen to him, but we"ve got the game won now because we know that the remaining scum are Sulit and Flameo.

/vote Sulit @Are

What made you change your mind?

[Centuries]

@Leafia

m just sorry I was too wrapped up in thinking that Gorta was scum to listen to him

!!!

@Leafia

but we"ve got the game won now because we know that the remaining scum are Sulit and Flameo.

???

[Leafia]

Only if you don’t bother to think things through. Believe me when I say this though, but the wolves have set me u ppl to be the misyeet today so they will try their best to push me. So far only Vulgard and Sulit have really done so with any sort of force to it though. I hope we’re not misclearing Vulgard honestly. If I do get mistreated here, the PoE should be Vulgard, Sulit, and Flameo. I guarantee that PoE contains both remaining wolves.

[Leafia]

Gorta actually being town was the biggest thing that got me to change my mind. Callmelo was correct about that so it got me to thinking what if he’s right about the scumteam too?

[Centuries]

@Elephas

As I said before, CallMeIo is either a straight-up wolf, or a terrible villager. Either way, their alignment will be apparent with more flips. Just do not allow them to control thread.

@Elephas

Just do not allow them to control thread.

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slots that can be wolf read accuracy killing our dead townie

@Elephas

Wiisp has dropped off slightly for me. They have so many one-liners that I could see coming from either alignment. Not concerned about them at the moment. Will re-read them overnight. I urge everyone else to as well.

@Elephas

Moleland’s OMGUS and lack of true analysis strikes me as particularly anti-town, and very likely just comes from a wolf. They are not very concerned with the fact that they are dying today, and have not provided solid reasoning for any of their wolfreads.

(dead)

@Elephas

Sulit seems to be standing on the sidelines. I honestly cannot determine their alignment based on their current posts. I do agree with them that Centuries could be utr - but I also feel this way about sulit themself.

@Elephas

CatLover is in the same boat as Flameo for me, but I have slight concern over this slot. It may be a difference in posting-style, but something feels… off? Performative may be a better word.

[Centuries]

@Elephas

Flameo is consistently solvey, and has a frustrated tone that feels incredibly genuine. They are also in the Io tunnel alongside me. They have provided many non-consensus takes, and have brought a level of analysis that is hard to fake as a wolf. They pick apart every single detail of a post they are responding to. Not a letter is ignored.

MOREOVER

[Intensify]

Ok so I took a look at Sulit’s post. It’s ummm not as much as I thought. It just looks pretty big because there’s a billion pictures. There is content though

Summary

@sulit

hello this is sulit

from the past

gonna look at people based on the mafia ™ flip

first person I wanted to look at is Wisp but I think he’s semi clear because of Mole’s push on them for the entirety of the game and because of this:

wait nevermind they changed votes

One thing that’s noticeable from this is

Everyone moved off the Mole wagon

So

Imma look at people besides Wisp that moved off

Also gonna look at Mole’s push on Wisp more

I think refusing to give reasoning on it is… semi weird? Can’t get myself to decide if that’s scum AI for Wisp

I also apologize in advance if this post ends of taking up a shit ton of space because i’m using screenshots oops

EOD vote counts in order

eod stuff

Wisp -> Elphas to ash4fun

Elphas -> Wisp to ash4fun

Centuries -> katze to ash4fun

Centuries -> ash4fun to kat
Leafia -> ash4fun to CallMeIo
Wisp -> ash4fun to Moleland
Flameo -> ash4fun to no one
sulit -> Wazza to ash4fun
Wazza -> no one to CallMeIo

gorta -> no one to no exe

Wisp -> Moleland to ash4fun
katze -> CallMeIo to ash4fun

gorta -> no exe to ash4fun
katze -> ash4fun to CallmeIo

ash4fun -> Moleland to CallMeIo

Flameo -> no one to ash4fun
CatLover -> ash4fun to gorta
ash4fun -> CallMeIo to gorta

Wisp -> ash4fun to gorta
katze -> CallMeIo to gorta

katze -> gorta to unvote

People on EOD:
Derps
Conroy
Wisp
Vulgard
Flameo
Mole
katze
ash
CatLover
Elphas
gorta

Most of the stuff at the start is more like info than I guess opinions and such.

@sulit

Alrighty so.

I think Vulgard and CallMeIo look substantially better (like Vulgard wasn’t already town from last day but netuishtueshtshui)

CallMeIo because they remained on Mole and were an attempted CFD EOD.

Conroy is kinda ???

He didn’t have much reasoning to actually be voting kat, voted ash but voted off. He is eh. Eh.

Wisp also looks worse in my eyes, gonna ISO him and look specifically for thoughts on Mole/Ash because I think his ash vote is… super weird.

I really don’t like how Elphas left a vote on ash and was there for EOD but didn’t really do much afterwards, but I’ve found them towny otherwise so I’d probably save this if I ever make it to Lylo <small which is doubtful.

actually I did this too aaaa

I feel like gorta is almost TWTBAW. They vote ash even though they aren’t even really a wagon at a time, pushing them higher above Mole and kat leads a CFD on them. I’d like to ISO them after this but I think they should flip before anyone else tbh.

I can’t really decide what I think about Flameo. I think it’s relatively towny that they were on EOD and unvoted ash, didn’t vote anything else so it makes me think they’re unlikely to be scum, also their earlier interactions with Mole don’t seem to be w/w but I want to look back at this as well.

Derps was just on a vanity wagon the whole time. Which is a Derps thing to do. Not much thoughts about this.

CatLover is just town. I don’t think I could give a valid opinion on their EOD without being biased.

Gonna ISO gorta and Flameo next then, also Wisp too. Also wanna look at Leafia/Mole interactions. WHEEEEEEEEEEE.

His reads aren’t like anything too special I guess? There’s no very much in here, and I do the same sometimes so I won’t judge. He did think Gorta was towny tho, I think that might help him here. Other than that, most of it is undecided reads.

The rest he has some decent opinion, but it kinda just feels like information overload.

Conclusion? This post isn’t as impressive or woah towny as some people might think, but that doesn’t mean it can’t help/hurt Sulit in terms of whether they are town or wulf.

[Centuries]

@EliThePsycho

As promied, my readlist!

Thick Green: Locktown
Medium Green: Townread
Lime: Townlean
None: In PoE, or in other words, potential wolf.

Explanations:

Wazza

i keep on forgetting to quote stuff, so basically:

• spends most of game defending himself. not sure if a bad thing because he specifically stated (4 times apparently) that he wasn’t going to give reads (if this doesn’t apply anymore then please give reads Wazza); also he pushes on leafia for a contradiction, which is probably a town thing
• doesn’t move vote. as before, idk if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
• literally it
  personally Wazza deserves to go in the PoE

does vulgard even need an explanation?
if Intensify could kindly explain (i dont feel like ISO-ing both of them) he could get removed from PoE
i’d vote leafia had it not been for the fact we’re already at like, 3/5 votes? or something? and i dont want to end the day literally 45 minutes into it.

Thus I am a big fan of yeeting this slot

[EliThePsycho]

go on

[Leafia]

We’ll find out a lot more from Sulit’s flip here than anyone else’s. We need to know if they’re a wolf or not.

[Centuries]

WE

ARE

NOT

FLIPPING

PEOPLE

FOR

SPEW OR WHATEVER

got it

[sulit]

ah yes

this is

great reasoning as to why i am a wolf

thanks leafia

[Leafia]

We do need to yeet wolves though.

[Centuries]

@Intensify

Conclusion? This post isn’t as impressive or woah towny as some people might think, but that doesn’t mean it can’t help/hurt Sulit in terms of whether they are town or wulf.

yikes!

not reading into the gamestate

not reading into sulit’s mindset or anything

just looking at read accuracy or whatever

not the thought process

jsust the reads!

[sulit]

???

[Centuries]

Leafia we’re still waiting on arguments as to why sulit is scum

[Flameo]

…Is this Leafia powerwolving…

[Leafia]

Look at how they’ve been dropping in WiM. Plus, look can probably explain it better than I can.