[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Centuries]

Like sure Derps softed JOAT but, he isn’t the only is he o_O

[Centuries]

Unless Derps has read accuracy over the other JOAT candidates

[Vulgard]

@Centuries

The scumteam cannot be both in poe otherwise I don’t think they kill SDA

I’m thinking the same thing. I don’t really see good reasons to suspect Flameo.

@Flameo

Catlover’s slot is scummy for following reasons:

They were wagoning Ashe on day 1, who flipped town.
While this was happening Moleland, who flipped scum, was a big counterwagon.
They preemptively sniped a possible reversal on Mole, by starting a CFD on another town, Gorta (who was also one of the easiest targets as lowest poster)

Most of their analysis posts posture way too much and are more about showing contribution than getting people pushed out.

They faked a metaread on Ashe, which Sirderps called them out on.

They were one of the latest on Moleland’s wagon with an exaggerated ATEing reason. Like they could have set that up with Mole being intentionally annoying.

Elephas had them trending down in reads and they were killed that night.
SirDerpsAlot had them as scum since day 1 and they were killed last night.

This is a thing.

[Centuries]

I think PK has dropped moreover Cat isn’t a slot that screams 100% pure town and is mostly TR’d for good play which doesn’t make it town play

[Centuries]

@EliThePsycho

As promied, my readlist!

Thick Green: Locktown
Medium Green: Townread
Lime: Townlean
None: In PoE, or in other words, potential wolf.

Explanations:

Wazza

i keep on forgetting to quote stuff, so basically:

• spends most of game defending himself. not sure if a bad thing because he specifically stated (4 times apparently) that he wasn’t going to give reads (if this doesn’t apply anymore then please give reads Wazza); also he pushes on leafia for a contradiction, which is probably a town thing
• doesn’t move vote. as before, idk if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
• literally it
  personally Wazza deserves to go in the PoE

does vulgard even need an explanation?
if Intensify could kindly explain (i dont feel like ISO-ing both of them) he could get removed from PoE
i’d vote leafia had it not been for the fact we’re already at like, 3/5 votes? or something? and i dont want to end the day literally 45 minutes into it.

this still is

uhh

[Vulgard]

Like, if there’s a deeper wolf, I’m mostly looking at CatLover’s slot. I find Flameo’s case compelling, I townread Flameo, and PK… hasn’t really done anything?

[Centuries]

I’m fairly sure there’s a wolf in Intensify/PK

[Vulgard]

The read post from PK is bizarre because almost everything in that post is a hedge. Up to and including not taking a stance on literally anything regarding Wazza, yet still putting him in PoE.

[Vulgard]

Like, PK is putting Wazza in PoE for absolutely no reason, after admitting that several things Wazza has done could mean he’s town. I don’t understand this.

[Centuries]

What pings me the most during Leafia/IO v Sulit
is that
me/wazza take a side
pk/intensify sit back

[Vulgard]

Only three townreads, two of which are on obvious town (if I can call myself and Io that) and the third one on sulit. Everyone else is PoE in their eyes.

Didn’t bother with an explanation for any other PoE slot excluding Wazza, who’s singled out with an attempted justification for some reason.

Leafia is apparently PK’s go-to vote but he has expressed no reason to vote her in this post.

[Centuries]

We yeet Leafia and if she flips Villa we get 0 spew
We yeet Sulit and if she flips Villa, Leafia dies
We push both Intensify/PK in order to see what happens and we get cashmoney

[Centuries]

pick your poison

[Vulgard]

@Centuries

What pings me the most during Leafia/IO v Sulit
is that
me/wazza take a side
pk/intensify sit back

PK/Intensify are newer players and might be sitting back regardless of alignment because they have no idea what to do or their partner is getting wagoned and they have no idea how to defend their partner.

[CallMeIo]

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@CallMeIo

@Flameo

@Leafia

I’m relieved that Callmelo survived the night although at the same time, it shows that the wolves are smart. If they had killed Callmelo, muslynching me would’ve been practically cally impossible because there’s no world in which Callmelo dies N3 where I’m scum. I’ve come to a realization too. I’m now 10 ppl%certain that Callmelo is not only town but correct on who the scumteam is. I’m just sorry I was too wrapped up in thinking that Gorta was scum to listen to him, but we"ve got the game won now because we know that the remaining scum are Sulit and Flameo.

/vote Sulit @Are
[/quote]

What made you change your mind?

Funny how you say “change your mind” when you know damn right they voted Suilt before.

This shows that Leafia changed their mind on me/Sulit vs you compared to yesterday.

@Leafia

I don’t think you’re ever the night kill here but if you do die tonight, then Sulit definitely deserves a second look.

I wish I could be that confident Derps.

I also don’t like the interaction between Callmelo and Sulit admittedly. It’s just making lo look even worse in my eyes.Even though scumslips do exist, it’s like lo is just trying their best to make Sulit look as bad as possible and I don’t see how Sulit scumslipped here. Stuff like this is why Callmelo is currently in my PoE. I wish I could remember what WiM stood for. What’s it stand for again? I forgot.

Also, wasn’t Vulgard voting Gorta? I might be wrong about that though.

@Leafia

What you’ve been saying because it’s just BS. Gorta hasn’t been townie in the slightest in any conceivable way. Scum is more likely to be trying to get you to push Sulit instead of Gorta, and that holds true even if Sulit is scum. If you’re town, your reasoning is terrible. It’s the same way that Gorta acted towards Mole and Mole was scum.

@Leafia

You’re the one not voting the actual scum here. Or at least not the most likely scum. Gorta is far more likely to be scum than Sulit is.

@Leafia

The first team isn’t even possible because Mole was scum and the second team you’re agreeing with has you being scum along with Sulit.

@Leafia

Oh. Misunderstood what he was saying then, but Flameo is super unlikely to be scum here and Cat is absolutely never scum here.

The annoying thing is that I’m not even scumreading you/Leafia that hard, although I can see a pocket coming from either side. I have already ISO’ed you and have yet to do Leafia however. Hopefully will have the time for that this night… can’t wait.

Do you really want me to bring up the posts of you literally shading me?

[Vulgard]

If your read on Flameo is correct, why did the wolves leave you alive?

[CallMeIo]

Also notice how Flameo never brings up the fact of Suilt’s sudden read flip on them.
Town!Flameo would have.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

If your read on Flameo is correct, why did the wolves leave you alive?

[Centuries]

My issue is that they aren’t quiet, like PK was busy defending himself so idk

[CallMeIo]

@Flameo

Catlover’s slot is scummy for following reasons:

They were wagoning Ashe on day 1, who flipped town.
While this was happening Moleland, who flipped scum, was a big counterwagon.
They preemptively sniped a possible reversal on Mole, by starting a CFD on another town, Gorta (who was also one of the easiest targets as lowest poster)

Most of their analysis posts posture way too much and are more about showing contribution than getting people pushed out.

They faked a metaread on Ashe, which Sirderps called them out on.

They were one of the latest on Moleland’s wagon with an exaggerated ATEing reason. Like they could have set that up with Mole being intentionally annoying.

Elephas had them trending down in reads and they were killed that night.
SirDerpsAlot had them as scum since day 1 and they were killed last night.

Ok no.
No, no, no, no, no.
I’m not even going to go into why the NK theory is wrong. Instead I’m going to say your being hypocritical here as you said NK’s don’t mean shit yet your using that as your argument but we can’t use that against you and Suilt? Yeah shut up you caught scum.

In fact I’d rather Suilt alive then you because your really starting to annoy me.
/Vote Flameo

As I said, IDC which one of you did.