[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - šŸ˜¹ Pirates (Town) Win!

So

You donā€™t want to respond because Iā€™m right and you and Flameo are trying to get others to be more convinced you and Flameo are Town over me.

Cool.

Concerned!!!

Also can someone find me Flameoā€™s readslist.
Trying to find it but canā€™t.
I feel as if he did what Suilt did to him but vice versa and had CatLover from Town to Scum Instantly for ML bait.

The easiest solution to all our problems at this point is to yeet Wazza today, see what the nightkill is, and try to solve the game tomorrow without a slot that will never leave the PoE.

But thatā€™s assuming yā€™all can leave your tunnels.

Issue is we have

3 slots that never die :^)

I donā€™t think any sane scumteam member just Nks Intensify and PK if they are town

what

Odds are Vulgard is still alive Day 5

Iā€™m a possible NK

:man_shrugging:

Our entire gameplan would have to rely on

Vulgard = Town which is pretty likely but yeahh

Wazza is always Town here.
Iā€™m surprised you canā€™t see that.

You guys are not gamers.

Can you help me fill that in? ā€œPrimary yeet targets of each player.ā€

I feel like PK is my lynch today tbh.

I will admit that I was indeed the main driving force behind that wagon and I wonā€™t try to defend and/or justify that since that would only make me look worse. I made a mistake there having tunnelvision like that.

I donā€™t need to.

Because with any other possible pair, things just donā€™t add up. Why are you defending Sulit so much if it isnā€™t that world?

They arenā€™t the sole basis and you know it.

Because unlike him, it should be obvious that Iā€™m not a wolf here. Youā€™ve seen my scum games after all. When have I ever acted like Iā€™ve acted this game in them?

Youā€™re not even looking at my reads on Mole and Gorta. Those were reads that I made myself. One of them happened to be right and one of them happened to be wrong. Have you even been listening to what Io is saying?

It sounded to me like you were both flipfloppy on my role and partially scumreading me, not townreading me and Iā€™d never have killed Derps N3. I was a strong townread for him. You wouldā€™ve probablty been my besat choice of kill, because youā€™d obviously be scumreading me today after EoD 3. Why would I kill someone whoā€™s not only townreading me but would be defending me if they were alive if I was a wolf? Start using your head Vul. The wolves obviously want me to be the misyeet today. Thatā€™s why they killed Derps. Because they knew that heā€™d be helping Io to defend me and with him alive, Sulit would be under a lot more pressure. Please stgart using your brain Vul and think for a second.

It holds up perfectly if you just think for a few seconds.

That pelt doesnā€™t just belong to you you know. Iā€™m the one mainly responsible for Mole getting yeeted but I do admit that you helped a bit.

Whatā€™s so convincing about it? Heā€™s obviously throwing shade on Cat here.

Are ypou serious right here? Thereā€™s no world in which Io and I are of a different alignment and I wasnā€™t fighting it at all D3. I was even okay with getting yeeted for a part of that day which you so conveiniantly are overlooking. Of course Iā€™m fighting my yeet right now because itā€™s likely that if I get yeeted now that town will just trust the obvious wolves and lose. In a world with me as wolf, Derps would still be alive and youā€™d be dead.

Iā€™ll concede that itā€™s likely true that itā€™s terrible play or at least seems like it, but after what happened with Gorta, I no longer trust my own reads which has me terrified of being wrong. Even now Iā€™m second guessing myself, which I admittedly did with both Mole and Gorta. I keep asking myself what if Iā€™m wrong about everything?

Thatā€™s why I wou;ldnā€™t have pushed Gorta so hard if I was wolf. I care too much about how I look as a wolf to push on a villager that hard this early in the game, especially after a wolf got yeeted.

I was town in Homestuck as well.

I wouldnā€™t be willing to say just because I donā€™t bus means Iā€™m town honestly. Iā€™d say bussing is NAI for me honestly. Iā€™d have been just as likely to try and save a scumbuddy as I would be to bus them depending on the circumstances. Iā€™d say if I hard defend someone that turned out to be a wolf, then itā€™s just as likely that Iā€™m a wolf myself as it means that Iā€™m town who was mistaken on them. For instance, if Io somehow became todayā€™s yeet and flipped wolf, Iā€™d be extremely suspicious of anyone that started defending me. Especially after what happened with Gorta.

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Kinda surprised sulit isnā€™t evaluating Leafiaā€™s push as something that comes from a wolf vs something that comes from a villager.

[quote=ā€œsulit, post:3374, topic:83078ā€]

[quote=ā€œsulit, post:3391, topic:83078ā€]

The quotes broke a bit here but my guess is that Sulit just doesnā€™t want to look bad when I flip town if I get yeeted since that would make people suspicious of them. t!Sulit I feel would be more likely to be scumreading Io and me.

This is never the goal here.

This is 100% the case.

Iā€™m fine with this. Thatā€™s how confident I am. If Iā€™ve been pushing on a second villager in a row for the second day in a row here, I deserve to die for my idiocy

In a world where Io is the N3 kill and Sulit and Flameo are the scumteam, I become obvious town due to Ioā€™s flip and their chances of victory become basically nil. Thereā€™s no world where Io and I have different alignments herte and I think those two know that. Plus, theyā€™re not stupid enough to believe that anyone would believe that Iā€™d kill Io N3 and they obviously want to misyeet me.

Neither can I and Iā€™m fine with a Flameo yeet too. /vote Flameo @Arete

Wazza: PK
Centuries: ā€œI dunnoā€
PK: Leafia
Vulgard: ?
sulit: ?
Io: FLAMEO
Leafia: sulit
Intensify: ?
Flameo: ?

Help.

I struggle to understand the case on Flameo, it looks like sheā€™s getting voted for no reason.

Like, I want to sheep the sulit/Flameo push. I want that. But at the same time, I donā€™t understand wtf you are all saying about the slot.

Thereā€™s also the fact that so far, every single person who answered my survey wants a different yeet. 0 organization. 0 towncore.
Wolves must love this.

Most of the things in that post are things I remember happening, which means they are facts. PK hasnā€™t been exactly impressive, either.

Thatā€™s why itā€™s convincing. It uses facts. Itā€™s a logical case.

It doesnā€™t use self-meta or ā€œTHEY ALWAYS MAKE THIS KILL UWHAFIOAEFGNAEGFA.ā€

For the record, I donā€™t understand the ā€œWOLVES ALWAYS KILL Xā€ argument either. You donā€™t know shit about who the wolves would kill then. They can make lolwolf kills. They can JOAT hunt. They can do a lot of different stuff.

Stop thinking you know whoā€™s getting nightkilled better than the wolves who are deciding the damn nightkill.

Ok questions for fun re eval time

Are you SRing people for bad play or for scum play

Actually I told you my number 1 was PK donā€™t know why you keep on putting it as I dunno :^)