[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Vulgard]

@SirDerpsAlot

I’d like to lynch in

Catlover/sulit/Wazza/Wiisp

why/Why/whY/WHY.

@Wazza

Why would you put me and sulit in the same lynch pool.

That just seems counter productive.

What is this post?

@SirDerpsAlot

Scoooom

Okay.

@SirDerpsAlot

they scumread both mole and flameo but they scumread flameo for voting mole

unless they thing mole was voting flameo a wolf buddy this doesn’t make sense and IMO shows not much real analysis and instead is likely to be agenda

I see where you’re coming from, but I respectfully disagree. Seems to be an obvious contradiction, but I’ve made the same mistake as town numerous times, even in this game.

@Wisp

scum slips arent feel (for the most part)

Yes.

@Wisp

I can’t read sarcasm

Me neither.

@ash4fun

idk but reading this feels more like “buying good play”/setting up future sr, than actually solving.

Tbh reading vulgard again he actually feels a lot better. I remember that post pinged me but the other stuff is actually pretty good.

I don’t like making reads like “this person is definitely X.” I prefer to be realistic, scumread me for that all you want.

@Centuries

this is a no though lmao why is it always wisp reads

Hot take: the amount of attention on Wisp probably makes Wisp town because wolves would probably want to shift the attention to a townie.

Leafia keeps pinging me both ways and I hate that. The posts about people potentially being W/W is something I associate with her wolfgame. On the other hand, her overall ISO looks better than the ones I’ve seen from her when she was scum.

Ugh. Probably not yeeting today.

@sulit

/vote ash

wheeeeee

I hate how this vote distances ash wagon from the Mole wagon for no apparent reason.

[Flameo]

/unvote I have had an exceptionally bad day irl, so I’m going to eat some dinner first and then catch up in a hopefully relaxed manner before I recast my vote.

I’m sure it will be extremely relaxing before EoD.

[Vulgard]

3 hours until EoD. The top 2 wagoned better be around at EoD to self-pres if needed.

[Vulgard]

Will be back ~40 minutes before EoD, don’t quickyeet.

[Wisp]

@sulit
Selective reading is great

[Wisp]

and to claim

[sulit]

confused noises

[Wisp]

your vote was right under the VC I looked at… is what I meant, hench, “Selective reading”, on my part

[SirDerpsAlot]

Top two wagons are town

[Flameo]

[quote=“Flameo, post:1075, topic:83078, full:true”]

@Wisp

@Flameo

remind of this unanswered question when u get a chance

[quote=“Flameo, post:778, topic:83078”]

@Wisp

The fact that flameo voted for Mole for not answering a question about reads 1 hour into game start, does not feel real to me.
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Can you read that interaction again in full and see if you reach the same conclusion or explain more about what gives you this feeling?

@Flameo

@Wisp

Pressure votes are fine, pushing people early to get the ball rolling is good, but asking someone to force a read that early in the game, and then voting them because they don’t just doesnt feel genuine

maybe he will get better for me, who knows, but I think my micro read is correct as it stands
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Oh, apologies, you did address it in some greater detail already. I’ll note she* again firstly. If you’d reread that I’d still hope you’d reach a different conclusion, but let me give you some context, because I think some other person also brought it up.

You townlean a player that is clearly doing their best to play at least and then another player is being unnecessarily abrasive to them. After trying to defuse that, they ignore what you tried to ask for (was some miscommunication here too) twice and continue to antagonize. I wanted to give him a taste of their own medicine and put the pressure on him to be honest. I also hoped on some level it would shock them into broadening their scope and start him talking about other players. I don’t think I got much AI out of it sadly, so I just reverted to my previous vote.

@Wisp

@Wisp

@Flameo
I just don’t see how him glossing over your question means anything this early, especially given the content of the question

I also do see why, “you have to equate this to someone trying to solve the game, and someone being abrasive”, cause I dont see that at all. Don’t someone being abrasive even makes them a wolf, and sometimes you just have to work around, like for example Wazza, who I believe is town for micro reasons

@Wisp

Do you think I was actively scumreading Mole with that vote? Why do you think I swapped my vote quite quickly after that? Just because I vote someone does not mean I scumread them. It typically does mean I don’t townread them, but well nullreads are left… I dislike how you handled this on such a surface level

Now that I see Vulgard is here, I dislike even more how he has surface level treated Wisp’ read as if it was a gift of the gods, even though it was a completely unrelated point to anything what they were saying earlier in regards to me.

@Vulgard

@Wisp

The fact that flameo voted for Mole for not answering a question about reads 1 hour into game start, does not feel real to me.

YES. Finally someone worded this in a way I can get behind.

[Wisp]

again, I can’t imagine voting for someone I don’t have a wolf read on, even if its minuscule
That is not surface level at all, but the fact that you did chance your vote a little after, does make it less bad

Wolves like to jump on whatever they can, and telling someone to post a read 1 hour into the game, then jumping on them for not, just feels ridiculously forced

[sulit]

wait where was this

[Wisp]

its literally the bread and butter of why I disliked Flame’s early game

[Wisp]

@Flameo

You townlean a player that is clearly doing their best to play at least and then another player is being unnecessarily abrasive to them. After trying to defuse that, they ignore what you tried to ask for (was some miscommunication here too) twice and continue to antagonize.

@Flameo
can you outline who the people are in this paragraph that you are speaking about?

[SirDerpsAlot]

Someone had never heard of RVS

[Flameo]

@Wisp

and telling someone to post a read 1 hour into the game, then jumping on them for not, just feels ridiculously forced

There were already 128 posts made. I don’t think that’s premature for any reading at all to have formed. They also could have simply said they weren’t ready to do so, but they ignored me. Twice.

[Wisp]

lmao that is not an rvs vote…

[Flameo]

Leafia is the townlean and Moleland is the unnecessarily abrasive person. I feel that that should have been fairly obvious, if you read that interaction now multiple times. Where lied your confusion, I’m curious?

[Wisp]

nah in iso diving it is sometimes hard to see that context, and it didnt matter to me
but you were around at the same time as me, so I asked now

[Moleland]

I wasn’t going to but she challenged my opening meme