[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[sulit]

Like god you’re sussing me for being the one up vote on ash when I couldn’t even be here for EOD lol

I’m sorry I’ve been busy but I’ve been trying like

???

Your reasoning is so wtf

I somehow predicted that I’d be the vote on ash that pushed it higher than the other wagon
???

[Leafia]

Right now, I’d prefer a Elephas yeet over anyone else

[sulit]

im going back to sleep it’s 5am

[Leafia]

5:15 A.M. for me too so I’m going to go to bed too.

[Leafia]

Good night everyone.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I am going to sleep

[Vulgard]

I shouldn’t have signed up for this, I didn’t expect my WiM to just tank like that.

This place is a mess. There is no towncore and no cooperation, everyone is still just doing their own thing. Can you all just… stop going after each other and start trying to find town for a moment, and sort out disagreements?

[Vulgard]

I don’t give a fuck if you wolfread me, I just want you to do anything other than pushing your wolfreads, because that’s not going to work when everyone has different wolfreads.

[Elephas]

/unvote @Arete @DatBird

I like Vulgard’s recent posts. I still have suspicion on this player because of the nightkill, but I am open to re-evaluation. I will go into detail on this later. I am far too tired at the moment.

Vulgard can you explain why you believe wolves killed katze in a PR hunt? I did not see any posts from them that were indicative of them being a possible PR. But it could be a change in behavior from normal towngames, or something that I missed.

Good night.

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Elephas	Leafia, CallMeIo, SirDerpsAlot	3/7
Vulgard	Flameo, Wiisp	2/7
Moleland	Vulgard	1/7
sulit	Centuries	1/7

[Vulgard]

@Elephas

Vulgard can you explain why you believe wolves killed katze in a PR hunt? I did not see any posts from them that were indicative of them being a possible PR. But it could be a change in behavior from normal towngames, or something that I missed.

Low WiM (possibly a PR thing to fake), very “safe” play, and generally townread enough to not receive a CFD to the face at EoD by accident. I think these conditions were all fulfilled, which made kat a potential PR.

[CallMeIo]

@Moleland

How does this resolve yesterday’s wagons?

Also @CallMeIo can you… Not do what ever it id you are doing? It’s too early for me to understand you and get through the mental gymnastics to understand.

Why you so concerned?
You care about Elephas don’t you.

[CallMeIo]

@Leafia

@Vulgard

@Leafia

I hated yesterday’s yeet. If I had just read a bit faster, I might’ve been in time to save Ash. Ash wasn’t even scummy at all so I don’t know why she even got voted at all. Also, so this is what it’s like to be alive D2 as town. The yeet yesterday made me realize something too. The main one behind Ash’s yeet was also the only one to have liked the final post saying we had yeeted a townie which helped a lot too. Elephas namely. After ett rethinking him over, his reads seem to be pretty shallow and unreal. Not only that, but he was the first to vote for Ash. My guess is that the wolves designated Ash to be the D1 misyeet and we fell right into it.

I am very due to this post.

Gorta is a decent wagon, I think.

By the way, you will never find a game where I’m a deepwolf. That’s just not how I play wolf. I’m either powerwolf or dead wolf.

Our last game together says hi and that you’re wrong. You had me convinced that you were town by the end that game. I still think you’re probably town though.

@Vulgard

@Leafia

Mole has moved to a townlean for me too since I don’t think wolves would suggest something like that.

…These two are probably not W/W?

I’m not wolf and I don’t think Mole is either. I can sort of understand how you could see me as being a possible wolf here honesty, as even I’ll admit that my interaction with Elephas does seem a bit wolfy if you don’t see where I’m coming from and I can see why you’d think Mole is a wolf as well, even if I’m townreading him. I’m also townreading Flameo too, since he has a decently townie look to him.

@Vulgard

Elephas obvious town.
Derps probably town.

How the heck does Elephas look even slightly townie after the EoD 1 to you? Especially with how my interaction with him went? That’s something I don’t understand, especially with how shallow and fake his reads and thoughts seem. It’s like he doesn’t even believe them.

@Vulgard

@SirDerpsAlot

And scum are using said bad reads to set up myslynches

This isn’t impossible.

CatLover town.
Centuries still town.
Wisp town.

Leafia has too many eh posts for me to call her town.
Gorta is meh.

Here you even admit that I could be right and Elephas never listed that as a possibility which leads me to think that he’s possibly trying to hide the fact that the wolves are trying to do just that.

@Vulgard

VVV: Elephas, Wisp
VV: CatLover, Centuries
V: CallMeIo, SirDerpsALot, Wazza
W: Flameo, Leafia, gorta
WW: Moleland, sulit

Some of this I can agree with. The ones I don’t agree with though are Callmeio, Wazza, Flameo, Mole, and Sulit. Here’s my list so far.

VVV: Leafia, Catlover, Flameo
VV: Wiisp, Derps, Vulgard
V: Mole, Sulit
W: Wazza, Gorta
WW: Callmelo, Elephas

VVV is my towncore
VV are my townreads
V are townleans
W are scumleans
WW are wolfreads.

That’s where I’m currently at right now in terms of reads.

Um.
You think I’m bussing Elephas?

[CallMeIo]

Damn people get manipulated by scum in this game pretty fast.

[CallMeIo]

@Leafia
Why exactly do you think my interaction with Elephas is W/W?

[CallMeIo]

@Elephas

/unvote @Arete @DatBird

I like Vulgard’s recent posts. I still have suspicion on this player because of the nightkill, but I am open to re-evaluation. I will go into detail on this later. I am far too tired at the moment.

Vulgard can you explain why you believe wolves killed katze in a PR hunt? I did not see any posts from them that were indicative of them being a possible PR. But it could be a change in behavior from normal towngames, or something that I missed.

Good night.

I’ve explained this.

[Moleland]

This is my thinking for the two main wagons yesterday

@Arete

|ash4fun|Elephas, Sulit, an_gorta_pratai, Flameo|4/8|
|an_gorta_pratai|ash4fun, CatLover, Wiisp|

[CallMeIo]

@CallMeIo

Kat was either killed by Suilt or killed by a team that was all town on Kat’s list. (Most likely option)
If you kill a player who isn’t a main priority kill and also Town reads your entire team it will allow you to go into Day 2 trying to say the NK was probably due to Katze finding someone scum. And they will probably try and use Katze’s TR on them as an excuse to not eliminate them.
This will allow scum to setup multiple mislynches.

This here ^

[Moleland]

It hurt my brain

[CallMeIo]

@Moleland

This is my thinking for the two main wagons yesterday

@Arete

|ash4fun|Elephas, Sulit, an_gorta_pratai, Flameo|4/8|
|an_gorta_pratai|ash4fun, CatLover, Wiisp|

@Moleland

Ok my full reads in order

Vulgard - In a box marked ‘Do not bother trying to read until day 3’
Already elaborated on. Never lynch this

an_gorta_pratai - Lazy(But improving)town
I don’t think scum would allow Gorta to do so little in thread. However I do like most f their recent posts

Wazza - Unhelpfultown
Regrettably, I don’t think Wazza’s scumbuds would allow him to be such a dick to people. Annoyingly, he’s town imo

Leafia - Weaktown
Make her irrated or angry and she spills her scumminess. That’s what happened for me. I was happy playing ‘Scum Leafia’ Bingo. I was just waiting for her to self meta and say “Only town me would do X” or “If I was scum I would do.Y” and… Huh. They said it wasn’t AI? That was unexpected. Maturing scum game or their town game? Not sure tbh - but want to believe the latter. Should re eval their read on me because it is a mix of Salt and misunderstanding my opening post/s at the moment.

sulit - Townlean
I think her push on Wazza came from a genuine place, and was dripping with Town motivation.

SirDerpsALot - Nulltown
This feels like a safe, normal derps game to me. No interest in lynching this slot

Eleph - Nullleantown
Is contributing well enough so far that I don’t have any misgivings here for now.

Centuries - Null
Cent is kinda… Existing? For me. Nothing they’ve done makes me see them either way

katze - Null
There most recent posts are better, but they in general haven’t done enough to justify me reading them as anything other than null.

Flameo - Null
Their massive defence of Leafia was really odd, on top demamding me to have anything really to say when the game had barely started. I had a mild scumlean for that. But since then, I’ve been happy with their posts and they have moved back to a null.

CatLover - Weak null
Similar to Cent but… Their posts seem pretty fluffy and useless tbh. I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now though.

CallMeIo - Nullscum
As others mentioned, their posts are pretty underwhelming… But they seem to revel in this. I don’t like it.

ash4fun - Nullscum
Seem to be getting a lot of hate but I’m not sure I agree tbh. A scumish ping for me is how they seem to only react to the thread rather than progress anything of their own.

Wisp - Weakscum
I hate people who self meta for no reason. They, in my experience, are scum. Strike 1. Add onto this a lot of weak questions of people I pretty sure this is scum.

Elephas ain’t NullleanTown Anymore?