[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Wazza]

@Leafia

It’s starting to look like Wazza is just AtEing for no reason. I think he deserves a place in the lynch pool. Vulgard should be taken out though, as I think he’s fairly villagery.

That’s…not AtE, AtE is Appeal to Emotion, there’s no emotion in my posts, it’s literally just me saying that I’m far too tired to do much properly so if I make mistakes or trip over myself don’t blame me.

[Wisp]

Ok zoomer

[sulit]

ok wisp

[sulit]

Forum of Lies

wolf

game

I had it open beforehand

[Wazza]

Forum of Lies

Towngame also.

[CatLover]

I’ll probably work on that one after moleland! If I remember correctly, moleland/vulgard are the top wagons and so I think it’s time to take a good look at both of them!

I’m done with my snack, expect the moleland ISO soon!

[Wisp]

Ya I’ll probably iso that when I get home, mobile is a pain

[Wisp]

Thanks Wazza

[Leafia]

It hasn’t changed that much as they’ve always been a townread for me. Although if they’reealive tomorrow and weren’t saved by a JOAT, their slot needs to be scrutinized further. I honestly yuh thought that either him or me was he going to be the N1 kill, him because he’s a strong player that I think is fairly obviously town, as and me out of paranoia and how this is the first time in three town games that I lived past N1.

[Leafia]

Saying that you’re far too tired is AtE slightly at least, even if it isn’t intentional and that’s not the only thing that you said that was AtEy.

[Wazza]

It’s not AtE, it’s AtA (Appeal to Action I think it’s called)

[Leafia]

It’s still intended to make people feel at least a bit sorry for you or at least it could be taken that way. Which is why as t AtE is. Trying to make people feel bad for you so that they’re more likely to townread you.

[Wisp]

Everyone uses emotion (usually), it’s the context that matters, there is no reason to assume it’s all malicious

But continuing to come in with OoG stuff like that is more likely to come from a wolf

Meh, claim still feels townie
But that’s still all I got

[Wisp]

Mole feels more likely to be a hit, but I wouldn’t hate a Wazza yeet

[Leafia]

@Wisp

But continuing to come in with OoG stuff like that is more likely to come from a wolf

My thoughts exactly.

[Elephas]

@CatLover

What actually feels like padding? I don’t like to make posts without a purpose, I am the opposite of someone who likes to pad posts. With quotes, please, would be preferred, as I find it shocking that you think I have been padding my posts when, (regardless of alignment for me), I do not pad my posts and try to make things as deliberate as possible.

@CatLover

I feel like people are just mafia-reading me for my playstyle, and not the content of my posts.

I will admit that a reason why I am viewing your slot in a negative light at the moment is because of the way in which you present information - which is not extremely fair to you, and does not inherently make you a wolf.

However, there are a few portions of your Isolation-dive on Flameo that I do not particularly like. From my experience, posting an image of a spreadsheeet or flowchart is an easy way for a wolf to look like they are contributing to the thread in a meaningful manner. While I appreciate that you followed up with writing, I still have a part of my mind that views this flowchart as performative and unnecessary.

@CatLover

It’s much harder for wolves to push agenda when they give townies adequate time to explain themselves and I do not honestly feel like mafia would take this approach as it would severely cripple the aggressiveness often necessary to formulate and push a fake push on a town-member. If she does have a year of experience as she claims, I don’t know if this type of playstyle would be taken by her as wolf as it limits the ability to push villagers, and only does well to help her get town-read, which as we know is not the overall goal of wolves.

Reading back through this post, I noticed that it was very likely confirmation bias (from me disliking the flowchart) making me view this paragraph as padding. I feel as if you could have explained this concept using simply the first sentence, and the second sentence seems like a redundant rewording of the first.

[Leafia]

Time for supper. I’ll be back later though.

[Elephas]

I think I need to look at Vulgard from a different angle. I keep going back and forth on this player. I cannot tell if I’m being pocketed, if I’m being paranoid, or if I’m genuinely just… bad at making decisions.

I do think it may be in our best interest to resolve the Day 1 wagons, as Mole has not done anything that screams “town,” and the only thing truly going for him is that its possible gorta TMI’d both wagons as T/T? But does that mean we should resolve gorta first…?
Hm. I don’t know.
I would be fine with an Io lynch today if not for their JOAT shenanigans. How coincidental.

My brain is not functioning properly at the moment. I will likely do a full re-read of the past few hours in a short while, as I don’t think I actually absorbed any information.

[Vulgard]

I have the players pretty much tiered.

Never Yeet:

Elephas, CatLover, Wisp.

Probably do not yeet:

Centuries, Derps

Personal townreads:

Io, gorta, Wazza?

And then there is everyone else. That being sulit, Leafia, Mole, Flameo.

I think sulit’s responses to my push have been mildly villagery, but I’ve stopped pushing wolves on that basis before, so I won’t clear her for that alone.

Leafia is just… I keep going back and forth on her slot. I don’t think I’m capable of reading her at all.
Mole is scum, vote there.
Flameo is… well. I think they were kinda wolfy early, but I don’t really know what they are doing this game if they are a wolf? I might have to ISO dive a bit and make sure to read everything without skimming, so that people don’t say I’m misrepresenting them.

[Wisp]

Remind me of this TMI post?