[VFM] Mountainous 15er - Town wins!

I also tinfoiled a little bit on the D1 lynch because Jake had started to push Isaac, and a wagon on Kai sprung up seemingly out of nowhere, so I had a bit where I was thinking that Kai was a counterwagon to get Isaac off the stand.

Yeah Iā€™m not going to begin to decipher why or what he says in this thread because itā€™s totally useless information for me to go on. Why is the push hard on Hippo?

Hippoā€™s been spending a big chunk of the game insisting that Luxy (who has died and flipped town) or Marshal (who has consistently been giving valid reads) is a deepwolf, so heā€™s figured for scum thatā€™s trying to be disruptive.

That and the fact that Mist joined his push on Luxy yesterday; Mist has since flipped scum.

Has Hippo attempted to actively gamesolve or suggest who is deepwolf instead of just implying it exists?

Thatā€™s likely NAI; scum should always jump on a bad wagon for a good reason. I guess Mist jumped on a bad wagon for a bad reason.

Hippo seems adamant that Marshal is the deepwolf here, since Marshal has been quite active on the lynches (which youā€™ll recall caused two townflips in a row) and still hasnā€™t been nightkilled. Anymore, though, Hippoā€™s gone quiet, citing that no one seems to be listening to this theory (weā€™re listening, we just donā€™t trust it given Hippoā€™s scum equity). Kat also had a bit where he was scumreading Marshal, but has since retracted.

@Hippolytus can you enlighten me on a Marshal deepwolf theory?

Tbf I opposed the kai lynch and suggested a counterwagon on a scum

As you can tell from this, Iā€™m not sold on the idea of Marshal being a deepwolf, and given that Hippo was pushing Luxy over Marshal to be deepwolf up until Luxy got nightkilled, it feels to me like Hippoā€™s just been trying to take swings at people outside the PoE.

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I find that hippo flips town more than katze ngl

Fair point, and in fact your vote was on Mist at EoD D1. That just reinforces what Iā€™ve been saying; you being deepwolf is highly unlikely.

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Also, going back to check the votes, I notice that Hippo currently has their vote on Priestess, and Iā€™m not entirely sure what to make of that.

With knowing ONLY what I was caught up with from Tan:

THAT jumped out at me. The timing can be an indicator: Was the wagon finished? Wishy washy reads are typically good scum indicators.

I donā€™t think that the wagon on Marshal ever really got started; Priestess in particular shut it down, insisting that the whole thing was TvT.

Agree with this statement. An unwavering D1 bus doesnā€™t seem very deepwolfy unless Marshal was PoE off the bat and needed to take pressure off.

okay im awake time to do that mist deep dive to see if anything feels bussy or too friendly

Who were the final vote on Mist? It was a late-ish hang if Iā€™m not mistaken so at least one scum should be there. Risk is low.

I have been reading a little bit and Tangeld is townish for contributing.

Butā€¦ I still need to read the rest of the thread so laziness is killing me

This is what I assume is the Katze defense on why they pushed Marshal, which doesnā€™t read like it was a scum agenda push.

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