[VFM] Mountainous Arson - (12/15) - Completed - Town Wins

[Maxwell]

Full, pre-commentary Geyde ISO for reference and especially for mobile users, will make gut reactions and then commentary after compiling this:

Entire Geyde ISO to this point -- Warning: Almost 250 Posts, very long:

@Geyde

• No AtE if you are being pushed; this is mountainous and drawing a line in the sand is explicitly anti-town
• Limit Fluffposting

Try to follow these
They are just guidelines, but forcing wolves to suit up or get shot, alongside making it easier to read based on motivation and progression, is not only proEV but makes the game more fun

@Geyde

Are you not going to be active?

@Geyde

/vote Shurian

@Geyde

Magnus entrance was entirely NAI because he expressed that his fluff was just to sate the requirements of the anti-slank due to personal circumstances
Your vote wasn’t RVS.

So why vote him in the first place

@Geyde

I will on Monday onward

Do a little reading into this and the context

@Geyde

Hja’s point is good, but their tone is weird

H_Hja:

Also, because $#@! long posts about nothing.

H_Hja:

Huzzah.

This is shade at me without engaging with my content directly

@Geyde

Arete is detached from thread state at this point

@Arete
You know Magnus is going to leave thread immediately, then why press the explanation twice

@Geyde

I didn’t realize it was a reaction test, sorry. I read it more as fluff

You read a read on another player as fluff

/vote Arete

@Geyde

I know.
There’s no point to dissolve it at that point, even if you thought it was fluff because it was starting an interaction

What was your thought process in doing that
I’m curious

@Geyde

Meh
That lines up with what I thought you were going to say if you were v
Not sure what you would have said as w tho

@Geyde

Hja jebaiting looks good
I can see exactly what they were going for in testing my response (if I picked up on what was wrong or not), then they reverted back to regular Hja tone

@Geyde

Who said I was joking?

They were online to say this, but ducked out of thread at the same time they were prodded on why they voted in the first place

@Geyde

Weird, incoherent, and not performative whatsoever
You just are most of the time

@Geyde

Howdy, I’m Magnus the Vanilla Town.

Magnus:

Killed by claimvig

Based on prior games, he tends to fake that he doesn’t read the op as scum.
This is textbook the exact same thing

@Geyde

also geyde, use ur pro town reading skills and carry me pls

/vote MaximusPrime

@Geyde

geyde

MaximusPrime:

town

This is literally all that needs to be said

@Geyde

I don’t get your logic Hja
Could you flesh it out more

@Geyde

So like Watch Your Mouth game?

@Geyde

Maxi completely ignoring my callout of his TMI is shitty since he follows it up with engaging the less open and shut case

MaximusPrime:

trying to find reasons to scumread me out of nothing is a big :thonk: moment

This is completely discrediting his wagon without actually engaging with the other vote

@Geyde

Shading Hja is pointless since he doesn’t make anything of it
He even says that he has no reason to vote anyone at this point when he should have one in “somebody coming up with bullshit to scumread him”

That’s not a town response
That’s a complete contradiction

@Geyde

what? the geyde town part? it’s just a meme if you couldn’t tell from the tone, and i thought you were memeing with that post too tbh

But I voted you
You didn’t see that as serious?

@Geyde

Maxi weirds me out
keeping vote on them for now

@Geyde

You aren’t making an attempt to read Hja off of it
You aren’t voting them off of it
You aren’t even engaging with their content proactively

There’s no thought process
It’s just reaction

@Geyde

Someone brought up the Planters game earlier in the thread, I just skimmed it and Maxi’s unconnected-to-threadstate opening vote in that game was on his scumbuddy. I’d actually be more inclined to SR Alice if Maxi flips scum although I’d want to check if he had a pattern first because meta-ing from one game is silly

Engage with the rest of his content in this thread
This reeks of indecisiveness

@Geyde

I’ve read it considering I posted an answer to it.
That is not a wolf post at all, and I’m asking why you would think that.

Weird post
“that is not a wolf post at all” is his evaluation of his own post in a nonconstructive way.
If he’s town, questioning why Hja thought that makes sense
But him saying what he did doesn’t show an actual thought process, it’s shade

@Geyde

Honestly? Everyone’s arguments in the thread so far basically make sense to me and I don’t feel like I have anything to add there other than ‘yes, seems plausible.’ Not voting him yet as he’s already halfway to lynch.

Could you evaluate each one individually

@Geyde

Maxi straight up answered that his vote was to gain interactions, not intent to lynch

@Geyde

“that is not a wolf post at all” is his evaluation of his own post in a nonconstructive way.

I’m not going to go ahead and agree with Hja.

It’s the equivalent of saying I’m town when somebody accuses you
In this case, you’re not looking for why Hja got to the conclusion they did, rather disregarding the case in its entirety

@Geyde

Threadstate-wise if Maxi is scum I don’t think any of his partners are active in the thread at the moment, he feels basically alone right now and I don’t expect wolves would bus 30 minutes into D1 in this set-up.

I feel pretty strongly that Hja’s vote on them is pure
I wouldn’t completely rule out Kyo/Maxi though. It’s improbable, but I can see it happening since Kyo isn’t engaging hard with Maxi and rather with a defense on Alice

@Geyde

I agree with this.

Geyde:

Arete:

Threadstate-wise if Maxi is scum I don’t think any of his partners are active in the thread at the moment, he feels basically alone right now and I don’t expect wolves would bus 30 minutes into D1 in this set-up.

I feel pretty strongly that Hja’s vote on them is pure
I wouldn’t completely rule out Kyo/Maxi though. It’s improbable, but I can see it happening since Kyo isn’t engaging hard with Maxi and rather with a defense on Alice

oh and also this

@Geyde

Arete hits all the pegs for what I don’t see scum them doing, but they don’t feel like SFoL 53 that strongly
They aren’t throwing themselves about thread as strongly as I saw in that game

@Geyde

@Arete
Did you go into this game trying to change up your style
If so, what to?

@Geyde

Sidenote

Maxi seems to not have any thread presence whatsoever when not in the limelight
I wanted to note this down for later

@Geyde

/vote Monokumalice

@Geyde

Kyo’s like a switch that turns on immediately when you do specific things
Their perspective on Alice feels forced

@Geyde

It’s not rooted in defensible logic
And defensible logic doesn’t come from town Kyo

@Geyde

/unvote

@Arete
Could you evaluate this in the context of SFoL 53
I’m pretty sure this is AI

Geyde:

Kyo’s like a switch that turns on immediately when you do specific things
Their perspective on Alice feels forced

Geyde:

It’s not rooted in defensible logic
And defensible logic doesn’t come from town Kyo

@Geyde

What else am I supposed to do?

Actually use logic
A vote without any substance does not elicit a wagon from a very good player, regardless of their alignment
Maximus acknowledged that his vote wasn’t to lynch

@Geyde

This is why Kyo is hard as shit to read

@Geyde

Kyo goes sort later pile

Ideally we clear up Kyo/Maxi sooner rather than later, but I think rest of thread needs to come in before making anything of it

@Geyde

@KyoDaz
Can you give thoughts on this and Magnus’s entrance in general

@Geyde

Leaning Shurian v because tone
It’s completely natural

@Geyde

Magnus is Magnus, I thought nothing of it. I’d imagine him doing it as both town and mafia, but it’s not mafia or town motivated

For after flips:
Kyo/Magnus is very likely a thing if one flips w

@Geyde

I liked how Arete handled the me/hja interaction. Instead of furthering or at least letting the interaction grow for agenda reasons, they broke it up with plausible logic tbh
Their impact on thread hasn’t been particularly noteworthy until they were given the opportunity by other players to make that impact on thread.
I don’t see them forcing their presence on thread is what I mean, or else it would be more pronounced

I think it’s v

@Geyde

/vote Kyo
pursuing a hunch here

@Geyde

I liked how Arete handled the me/hja interaction. Instead of furthering or at least letting the interaction grow for agenda reasons, they broke it up with plausible logic tbh
Their impact on thread hasn’t been particularly noteworthy until they were given the opportunity by other players to make that impact on thread.
I don’t see them forcing their presence on thread is what I mean, or else it would be more pronounced

I think it’s v

lol

i love this read.

I disagree with the conclusion but I love the mindset that you were in to make this read.

first villa read.

also sup

lol

i love this read.

I disagree with the conclusion but I love the mindset that you were in to make this read.

first villa read.

also sup.

@Geyde

need to sleep
see in morning

I’d never lynch in Arete/Hja/Shuri today

@Geyde

/vote Sulit
Their wall and tone are far more representative of PYMM than their towngames

@Geyde

Reading up

MaximusPrime:

heya all, im here now and ready to go to sleep in 30 min or so :^)

/vote alice for now

also geyde, use ur pro town reading skills and carry me pls

Bleegh this is terrible tmi in the last part and Alice vote

Arete:

Maxi, can you explain the thought process behind the Alice vote?

I find Arete odd as well. It seems like he’s already taking a back seat in the thread. He’s been present in two interactions (Geyde/Shuri/Magnus and Geyde/Hja/Maxi) but he hasn’t taken a stance, he’s just asked questions and posted stuff that barely advances the thread state.

MaximusPrime:

your vote was serious, but the post after sounded like a meme tbh (basically you saying that “hey guys im town lol”)

/shrug

Trying to discredit the push (again)

Arete:

Someone brought up the Planters game earlier in the thread, I just skimmed it and Maxi’s unconnected-to-threadstate opening vote in that game was on his scumbuddy. I’d actually be more inclined to SR Alice if Maxi flips scum although I’d want to check if he had a pattern first because meta-ing from one game is silly.

Another example of the mentioned above.

Arete:

Threadstate-wise if Maxi is scum I don’t think any of his partners are active in the thread at the moment, he feels basically alone right now and I don’t expect wolves would bus 30 minutes into D1 in this set-up.

Again, doesn’t really engage in the thread. Takes a step back. Possible TMI?

I feel like if there’s anyone in this interaction that’s his scummate it could be Kyo.

Just an addition I’m mind-melding with Geyde I’m almost every thought I make so I’d put him at light town.

Arete:

‘Maxi saying outright that he has to leave in 30 minutes is wolfy’
Actually disagree with this one more-or-less based on personal experience; I feel more need to justify leaving the thread as wolf but I’m pretty sure I’ve said things along those lines as both alignments.’

‘Maxi TMI’d Geyde as town’
The bigger problem here as you pointed out is that he completely ignored it the first time you pointed it out – I could buy it being a joke but then he should have said that the first time.

‘Maxi’s vote doesn’t engage with the thread at all’
This one is the one I find most persuasive; we’d more or less shifted into actual non-RVS votes almost at the start of the thread and voting someone who isn’t in the thread for ‘interactions’ really doesn’t seem effective, since they can’t, you know, interact with you. The transition back into RVSing from not that is really out of touch with the thread and feels like scum who wants to contribute and so jumps in with an RVS vote to look productive

This post is okay and engages more than his previous posts. I still find him scummy because I get a like floating vibe from him, like he’s trying to distance himself from the actual big interactions.

Geyde:

/vote Monokumalice

That’s unexpected

Geyde:

I liked how Arete handled the me/hja interaction. Instead of furthering or at least letting the interaction grow for agenda reasons, they broke it up with plausible logic tbh
Their impact on thread hasn’t been particularly noteworthy until they were given the opportunity by other players to make that impact on thread.
I don’t see them forcing their presence on thread is what I mean, or else it would be more pronounced

I think it’s v

I agree on the point they didn’t make an impact on the thread till given the opportunity, but I still don’t really like how it took him a while to comment on the big interactions so far. I still want his opinions on the Shur Magnus thing.

Vulgard:

Wow, guys.
You’re really trying pretty hard. Nothing has truly pinged me as of right now.
I will probably have to re-read though. Having no substantial read other than Hja town and Geyde maybe town at this stage of the match feels underwhelming, so oof.

Arete has been trending upwards tbh. It feels like it took them some time to really get going in this game, but once they did I liked what I saw. Can’t really say what though unless I re-read.

Okay maybe I have a couple of reads but they are not set in stone other than maybe one. Jfmfnkfmf this post is getting long.

Uuuh yeah hello my opening post pls read into it

Don’t like this post. Self-consciousness at the end, wishy washy possibly TMI reads that do not give much reasoning. Says their reads aren’t set in stone, they don’t have confidence.

Icibalus:

vul w
discuss

Agree

Ici lurking

Discuss

Vulgard:

I defended him at first but there is some solid meta evidence right there.

“Solid meta evidence” —-> only looked at one game

eevee:

Co tam u ciebie Vulgard?

Podpaliłeś kiedyś coś? Ja w sumie tak, chociaż przypadkiem.

Time to not put the effort into translating all of Eevees posts

Luxy:

can’t believe I need to warn you , eevee.

Please only speak English

Thank god

Eevee completed threw the thread off track and dunked it into memes for a solid 50 posts. Scumread.

Read this post with a mind to
‘I need to set up pushes’

@Geyde

I’ve posted my thoughts on Kyo/Max already
They’re both in the PoE

I haven’t read Vul with an eye to detail yet

@Geyde

vul w
discuss

How clever to come in with an instant read.

Vulgard:

I wish I was coached because then I wouldn’t play terribly as either alignment. Well, hopefully.
Anyway.

For a moment I thought Ici went wallposts=lockscum and I went to check my earlier games to prove that I did this as town but w/e.

Vulgard:

Ici coming into the thread thinking ‘i should start nicely’
Then sees my wallpost and sees it as an opportunity to tear into me a little and seem town

Vulgard:

Icibalus:

Apparently, reading people’s posts for allignment is wolfy now.

Don’t pretend you don’t know what I’m getting at.

Vulgard:

I’m afraid Ici has rolled scum this game and this:

Icibalus:

The problem is that you don’t actually have any proof that I’m not, say, a villager trying to play the game who didn’t bother meming for once.

Is so LAMIST to me it hurts. Maybe I have a biased perspective here but he does his best to shut down the read extremely early while trying to sell himself as ‘serious town.’

This slot is relaxed in thread, even despite their opener being incredibly awkward
Their interaction with Ici is sudden without actual buildup
I’d argue that there probably is one wolf there; never 2 since it wasn’t lukewarm

Vulgard:

I need more posts from Kyo I think. Right now he’s pinged me both ways.

The main thing that worries me about this slot is this post
It’s fencesitting

@Geyde

Honestly, the only thing that truly pings me in Sulit’s wall is that there is no vote at the end. Sulit apparently scumreads a good amount of people but doesn’t want to cast a vote because… she is unsure of who she should be pushing? That doesn’t seem towny. You just push the people you scumread. There should be no hesitation.

How they handled Arete’s slot
They agree with my point but bend over backwards to keep them at null

@Geyde

Terrible taste is NAI

@Geyde

Did you read my post
That’s not my conclusion

@Geyde

No
I was talking about you
I liked your tone

Just look at how I phrased ‘the one thing that worries me’

@Geyde

Have quotes on different lines
That’ll fix it

@Geyde

Someone charge me pls

Also /Map Ziggurats

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Why blizzard world this early?

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Oh I can charge marl up rn

And my ult is better than Marl’s

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If you charge my 2500 ult, it’s better than changing anyone else’s over 2500

He didn’t joke in Overwatch…

…where he was also town.

I feel Maxi can be separated into two boxes when they are town

Actually trying Max
Easiest mislynch on the planet Max

@Geyde

I didn’t think much of it
Maxi sends me memes all the time on discord, so I don’t think it’s AI in this context either

@Geyde

I’m on the fence regarding maxi because of his interactions
I highkey think Kyo is scum because of his progression, and the way he handled Maxi would spew Maxi as v after he flipped

Maxi individually is very easy to point fingers at
His opener was terrible and there are several good points against them

@Geyde

You think that the fact he joked around in his openers as scum and didn’t joke around in his openers as town was purely coincidental?
I think you need to say a little more because that puzzles me a little.

I do think it’s purely coincidental
That’s really the limit of how deep this goes

@Geyde

I’m on the fence regarding maxi because of his interactions
I highkey think Kyo is scum because of his progression, and the way he handled Maxi would spew Maxi as v after he flipped

Which interactions?
I’m afraid I need specifics.

Kyo
Literally just Kyo

@Geyde

Not for that reasoning

@Geyde

Hey Geyde, please come back to the thread and explain your vote hopping, alongside the initial vote on Maximus.

I voted Maxi because they looked like they TMI’d me as town.
I’m throwing votes out to create pressure.
I voted Alice to see how Kyo would respond

@Geyde

This interaction is weird
Engaging with each other but not engaging at the same time

@Geyde

I completely disagree on the point on tone

Flesh out the other stuff

@Geyde

Also @Icibalus
What do you think of Sulit’s walls

@Geyde

Vul

Your reads are completely illogical

You believe Maxi is scum based off of the notion that scum openers are always the same, ignoring the rest of his ISO just because there is one point that could be considered to come from scum.

Based off of that, you preflip me as scum based on me defending Maxi and throwing my vote out at multiple people early on. Being aggressive and getting reactions isn’t a scumtell in Mountainous, not is contesting logic that is essentially reaching

And based off of that, you’re preflipping Ici as scum which also doubles as an OMGUS.

@Geyde

You believe Maxi is scum based off of the notion that scum openers are always the same, ignoring the rest of his ISO just because there is one point that could be considered to come from scum

You even read him as town before based off of the other posts in his ISO

@Geyde

None of them has stopped to think ‘hey, everyone is scumreading him and there are three groupscum, maybe we’re wrong and scumreading a Villager.’

I’m not scumreading you
Stop projecting with AtE and we can actually play the game

@Geyde

I think I trust my vul read more than my maxi one, and it’s entirely possible I’m reading waaaaaaay too much into maxi anyway.

I don’t think you are reading into it too much
Maxi’s wall does spend forever saying nothing

@Geyde

Wow, that’s pretty rich coming from the person who AtEd the hell out of me in our last game together. I’m honestly floored.

Quit it
Immediately

Regardless of your alignment, this is going to ruin the game

@Geyde

I get what you mean now but I still don’t want to lynch it now because the slot is pure AtE and that ruins actual reads

@Geyde

Stop
Come back to thread later

@Geyde

You’re not reading my actual posts
I’ve said my thoughts regarding the slot already

@Geyde

I know you’ve given your thoughts on them. Saying “This slot is purely AtE” undermines and discredits Vulgard currently in the thread, when not all they’re doing is AtE.

My main reason for calling the slot that was that they’ve ignored a significant portion of my posts to bolster their argument, of which is illogical as a base since I don’t even think they are scum

@Geyde

/vote MaximusPrime
Ici’s point against this slot is very good

@Geyde

Geyde is saying he’s not scumreading me, but given his behavior, I don’t believe him.

I think your slot is good
I’m disputing your points

@Geyde

fuck my best read is one that contradicts the read I believe in most apparently

Just go on it

@Geyde

No
I think it’s actively pointless

@Geyde

Here’s my PoV with the game
This entire conversation regarding Vul is hysteria in how quick it went to namecalling and insults

That’s a village headspace

I am relatively confident in either the Magnus/Kyo grouping or Maximus solo being scum given points I’ve already discussed

@Geyde

hey geyde lets talk about marshal what do you think about his vul push

I haven’t read Marshal yet

@Geyde

Oh, you think it’s scummy I won’t vote you?

/vote vulgard

I’ll elaborate later but I do not like you here.

Marshal:

Can’t

I have homework + school to do.

But I promise to give some of that later.

Marshal:

His hedginess and the explanation come from what feels like scum.

Also, just a gutread, but he feels like LoTRFM vulgard to me.

I will explain in detail later.

Yo this read fuckin bad

@Geyde

And I am village
Your point

@Geyde

This is actual hedge
He’s throwing out the vote before the reasoning because he’s completely convinced that he’s right

And there’s no perfect case to go along with it
It’s not fleshed out at all

@Geyde

Although early Sulit was bad, I think the reason for my dislike of the slot was based off of them wanting to do the ‘no fluff standard’ and as such shouldn’t be considered when creating an overall picture

@Geyde

Null on it though since obv
They handled Vul fairly well but that was bystander PoV

@Geyde

hja what do you think of kai

Kai supporting my push on Magnus/Kyo is the most noteworthy thing in their ISO

@Geyde

I quite like what I’ve seen of Kai so far, although that’s almost entirely because of my temptation to preflip Marshal as w and clear him

Marshal’s push is full hedge, but I think of SFoL 00 when he was pushing Luxy when I read him

@Geyde

really i think it could be likely a bus if kyo flips scum

Other way around imo
Why bus

@Geyde

If he’s scum, Kyo is likely town

@Geyde

He would be supporting pushes to lynch his partner. Kyo, if scum with Kai, is in no way unsalvageable

@Geyde

It wouldn’t even be a townslip
Not knowing a player is not in the game doesn’t have any bearings on people’s alignments or TMI

@Geyde

Meh
That’s a reach

@Geyde

@Vulgard
Why would multiple scum gang up on one player if they knew that they would not only be the center of attention afterward but also would all be dead after one of them flipped

@Geyde

I feel that a scum must be in the Vulgard push threadspace
We keep drifting back to it even after going to other things

@Geyde

Basically yeah

@Geyde

I feel that a scum must be in the Vulgard push threadspace
We keep drifting back to it even after going to other things

Basically
The fire the interaction had was gone when me and Ici went off it for the most part
Now it still occupies thread’s focus despite one of the parties mostly dissolving

Yet it still takes all of thread
Wolf is in it

Eevee is most likely wolf ergo since obv

@Geyde

Look at the context

@Geyde

Excuse me, look at people sheeping me, rather than on person who started it

That’s not what I’m arguing
It’s entirely disengaged with your actual points or who led what

@Geyde

Because they are scum

@Geyde

You are saying that thread is focused on Vulgard.
That’s wrong.

You and Ici joined on my push and then hopped of.

Thread is not focused on Vulgard. I am.

You’re right on the greater level here

@Geyde

/vote Marshal
Boom bye scum

@Geyde

There’s no big case to be made

Marshal:

Oh, you think it’s scummy I won’t vote you?

/vote vulgard

I’ll elaborate later but I do not like you here.

Marshal:

Can’t

I have homework + school to do.

But I promise to give some of that later.
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His hedginess and the explanation come from what feels like scum.

Also, just a gutread, but he feels like LoTRFM vulgard to me.

I will explain in detail later.

This string doesn’t justify his absolute confidence in his vote that comes with it coming first
That’s really just it

@Geyde

He hasn’t rescinded and it’s the only real thing he’s done in thread
The only noteworthy thing they’ve done is forced

@Geyde

The contradiction exists, but it’s not scummy in that the double standard is as a result of them believing that they found something completely telling

@Geyde

Unless someone has a good case for Geyde town and they can sell it to me, I would be glad to listen. Geyde has been handed an influential thread position and I don’t really understand why. Almost everyone seemed to subconsciously townread him and I think I was the first person with any qualms (correct me if I’m wrong).

Because I post active and I post good

@Geyde

semi-mindmeld on this read, putting off reasoning 3 times is silly even for a busy person

Icibalus:

I quite like what I’ve seen of Kai so far, although that’s almost entirely because of my temptation to preflip Marshal as w and clear him

Feels like posturing tbh

@Geyde

Fairly sure Sulit is v here
Posts actively
Steered thread into Marshal which is a good direction imo
Actually makes conclusions

@Geyde

Town

Hja

Arete
Sulit
Shurian
Vulgard

Kai_5

eevee
Icibalus
KyoDaz

Maximus
Marshal

scum

@Geyde

semi-mindmeld on this read, putting off reasoning 3 times is silly even for a busy person

Icibalus:

I quite like what I’ve seen of Kai so far, although that’s almost entirely because of my temptation to preflip Marshal as w and clear him

Feels like posturing tbh

@Geyde

faking progression to get into a stronger state in thread

@Geyde

• No AtE if you are being pushed; this is mountainous and drawing a line in the sand is explicitly anti-town
• Limit Fluffposting

Try to follow these
They are just guidelines, but forcing wolves to suit up or get shot, alongside making it easier to read based on motivation and progression, is not only proEV but makes the game more fun

@JakeTheWolfie

@Geyde

Howdy, I’m Magnus the Vanilla Town.

Luxy:

Town Citizen

You have no abilities except your voice and your vote. Put them to good use!
You win when all of the Mafia are dead.

interesting™

@Geyde

I find the overuse of the statement itself of “rereading” scummy.

saying “i think ___ is ___, but idk and will reread.” is the ultimate hedge and cannot really be disputed as they promised to re-evaluate later(but by then, everyone has forgotton.)

And he uses it sooo much. once or twice is fine. But when you search up “re-read” 70% of the posts come from vulgard.

@Marshal
could you like try to talk about the rest of the players

This is good but you’re as narrowminded as eevee

@Geyde

I don’t think Vul is scum
I just like the thought process

@Geyde

Accused	Voters	Votes
Shurian	Magnus	1/8
MaximusPrime	Geyde, H_Hja, KyoDaz	3/8
Alice/Monokuma	MaximusPrime	1/8

DatBird:

Accused	Voters	Votes
Marshal	Sulit	1/8
Alice/Monokuma	MaximusPrime	1/8
KyoDaz	Arete, Kai_5	1/8
Vulgard	Marshal, Eevee	2/8
MaximusPrime	Geyde	1/8
Geyde	Vulgard, H_Hja	2/8

DatBird:

Accused	Voters	Votes
Marshal	Sulit, Geyde	2/8
Alice/Monokuma	MaximusPrime	1/8
KyoDaz	Arete, Kai_5	2/8
Vulgard	Marshal, Eevee	2/8
Geyde	Vulgard, H_Hja	2/8

@ me if i missed any.

Marshal:

Accused	Voters	Votes
Marshal	Sulit, Geyde	2/8
KyoDaz	Kai_5	1/8
Vulgard	Marshal, Eevee	2/8
Geyde	Vulgard, H_Hja	2/8
eevee	Arete	1/8

new

@Geyde

it’s timezones

@Geyde

Maximus wagon, despite being a completely valid wagon that scum would have reason to support, disintegrates in its entirety by VC 3
Despite this, people have continually suggested Maximus as possible scum in thread

I feel like this complete avoidance of the slot is because of scum
A Maximus lynch is easy, alongside incriminating Kyo should they flip town

I think one scum in Maxi/Kyo guaranteed pretty confidently

/unvote

@Geyde

sell me on kai wagon

@Geyde

fuck it
/vote Kai_5

leggo

@Geyde

Because gamestate irks me
I have more than two potential scumteams

@Geyde

Because gamestate irks me
I have more than two potential scumteams

Everyone that’s not lock v can be put onto a team with anyone
Associations between other people than exactly Kyo/Maxi have been fairly tame

@Geyde

Eevee, are you doing what I think you are doing

@Geyde

/vote Jake

@Geyde

I’m not explaining it for a reason
What are you making of asking these questions

I’m not seeing you turning it into anything

@Geyde

This interaction won’t lead to anything because it’s emotionally charged for out of thread reasons
It only muddies actual reads later on in the game

@Geyde

What are you making of asking these questions

I’m asking them to get their reasonings why they do what they do.

And you are doing this to help in ___

@Geyde

This interaction won’t lead to anything because it’s emotionally charged for out of thread reasons
It only muddies actual reads later on in the game

for all I know, I might misclear based off of this AtE when I shouldn’t

@Geyde

My PoV on Jake is that they are looking a lot like their SFoL 53 game
Reasonable, not really being dealt with in thread

But they aren’t making anything of those questions, which is why I want to focus on the slot
His points aren’t noteworthy
He’s going UTR even on d1, and regardless of his alignment I want to make sure he actually gives takes on players other than ones that look like the lynch

@Geyde

@Monokuma

@Geyde

Speedwagon

@Geyde

it’s my reason. and i also wan’t to change some of the forum-meta of calling everything people say about IRL as just you are ate and that = scum

I asked people to keep AtE out of this game
They failed with perfect efficiency

@Geyde

@JakeTheWolfie
Eevee has flipped

Their shit, that is

@Geyde

Could you put some quotes with that
I was rereading and didn’t see it

@Geyde

Aight

@Geyde

sulit
having people do actual progression is p useful

@Geyde

I will start shanking if I see more fluff after this post

@Geyde

I don’t want Eevee to be scummy, but at the same time they’re acting scummy AF because of them wanting revenge without listening to reason.

actively interesting post that should be looked into later after flips

@Geyde

Can we wagon Jake now

@Geyde

But you also aren’t confident he’s town

I literally never thoguht they were town. at most I Scumleaned them which progressed into a scumread

JakeTheWolfie:

Marshal has convinced me that Vulgard is Scum and that they’re town.

But you’re confident that Vulgard is scum
That should spew Eevee town since they’ve had very emotional interactions

@Geyde

Like reading Eevee/Vul as both scum is completely conflicting

@Geyde

Because me and sulit moved thread onto you

@Geyde

Eevee and Vul can be scum together. It doesn’t matter how emotional it gets. Eevee could literally delete Vul’s account because of how emotional it gets and that wouldn’t change a damn thing about my reads.

This is bluster

@Geyde

I don’t need to show proof beyond bland generalizations of svs interactions not being angry
Vulgard has consistently not engaged with Eevee’s posts that are accusing them
You’d think partners would actually be aware of what the other is doing

@Geyde

No, not really
I can see a world where it happens in scumchat if they’ve preplanned out the whole thing, but me/ici just dropping it couldn’t have been planned for, and that could have led to lynch

@Geyde

Unless of course you think that Me/Vul/Eevee are capable of creating an elaborate SvSvS to carry us to late game
It doesn’t seem like that’s the case

@Geyde

What are your thoughts on Alice?

fake reactiontest(scumgame). Alice was host

JakeTheWolfie:

What do you think of DatBird? Do you think they’re pretty town?

fake reactontest, dat is host

this is the worst dichotomy
Whether it’s actually relevant or not, what they specifically say isn’t AI

Comparing games is best done at the macro rather than the micro

@Geyde

Because I’m reading something else and only noticed Marshal’s comment

@Geyde

Please use actual names, eevee
It’s not feasible for most people to actually read into what you’re saying when it’s being clouded by bluster

@Geyde

Could we limit posts to more concrete thoughts
The last ~100 posts aren’t useful

@Geyde

I’m just going to disregard last 120 posts
I want everyone to leave an come back in a few hours and we can actually have legitimate discussion

Eevee’s presence is going to damage villa morale and WiM
That’s why I want them and the rest of you to stop

@Marshal
@Arete
@eevee

@Geyde

I told you to stop talking and come back later

stop.
talking.

@Geyde

@Geyde where are you at rn in terms of marshals alignment

I’ve made it clear in my ISO
Null territory since their thought process was better when evaling Vul later

@Geyde

Rn I need a GTH answer regarding Kyo’s alignment. Every time this question came up you’ve effectively deffer it to associations with other unflipped players where I see no rhyme or reason for it and it’s prety much why you’re in the top of my PoE after Jake.

I don’t have a clue
That’s why I defer to associations

@Geyde

Then why didn’t you further interact with them while they were in the thread with you?

Because I felt like interacting with them didn’t help, and that I would better read them based on their interactions with other players

@Geyde

I did interact with Kyo’s content
It didn’t help at all

@Geyde

I placed a vote on you explicitly to bait a reaction from him

@Geyde

Like, what the fuck is up with #940? Geyde has just been non-stop shading everyone this match.

I’m shading players to see how they react under pressure
That’s what I’ve been doing this entire game

@Geyde

That post specifically
Sulit asked me to read Marshal

@Geyde

Okay

fuck you eevee

@Geyde

@Geyde

Hint for the future, if you ever see mad eevee, it’s gonna be day you will learn how to take revenge without anyone but the target noticing

Never do that again in a game I’m in
I was this close to flipping out into a shitstorm

@Geyde

Townreading him? Yes. I’d go as far as to say that actually.
I’d change my vote if there was someone actually worth changing it to.

KyoDaz:

Magnus is Magnus, I thought nothing of it. I’d imagine him doing it as both town and mafia, but it’s not mafia or town motivated

This is inherently contradictory
And him townreading literally everyone in thread…no

It’s wtf and that’s why I can’t nail down anything in regards to the slot
I don’t think wolf does it
But I also don’t think town does it

The rest of their ISO is also filled with wtf

@Geyde

Fuck, I messed up then.

I was trying you out and when I got no reaction I just assumed that you won’t join into shitstorm.

I don’t want AtE for the explicit purpose that I’m very likely to join in

@Geyde

I get where you’re coming from.
I’ll just leave it at that

@Geyde

My main worry regarding Magnus is that their opener was comparatively similar to Black Flag in the way they handled posts regarding the setup (saying shit which wasn’t present whatsoever), which was why I latched so hard onto it.

@Geyde

I was inclined to say that Vul’s was very good initially, but they didn’t actually engage with what you were saying like I’d expect a cornered v to do
Instead he wholly distances himself from the actual arguments

@Geyde

I find that thread spiraling downward into hysteria due to their responses is the actually good thing from the interaction on their side

@Geyde

jesus christ eevee
go to sleep

@Geyde

Staying up until 5AM posting is my job

@Geyde

Reorganizing things

town

Hja
Marshal

Arete
Vul
Sulit

Eevee
Shurian

Alice
Kai_5

Magnus
KyoDaz
MaximusPrime

Jake

Scum

@Geyde

Not every single one of them was attempting that, I think… but at least one, maybe two.

Literally only Ici was in retrospect

@Geyde

This is the last time I type without actually thinking

It should be

Alice
Kai
Kyo

Magnus
MaximusPrime

Jake

Kai is null for me simply because the slot hasn’t made a specific point that I’ve really liked or hated after reviewing

@Geyde

I liked the restraint he showed when it came to handling Kyo’s slot. Usually as a wolf he jumps on villager wagons way too easily and on wolf wagons he is a compulsive busser.

What about this in the context of Marshal being pretty much spewed v

@Geyde

For Geyde

Eevee
What’s the point of this

@Geyde

When he talks about Vulgard’s slot flipping V?

About that area?
I was thinking of when he jumped on Marshal’s wagon.

@Geyde

Also reminder that lynching is just majority, not maj + plu

@Geyde

I know but a no lynch d1 would make me die inside

@Geyde

Currently making my way through the thread. I don’t like this wagon speed on Maximus. Either no wolves are in this thread at the point to push Maxi which I find unlikely. The other possibility there’s a wolf in those 3 which is the reality in keen in believing in

Kai_5:

Geyde:

KyoDaz:

Magnus is Magnus, I thought nothing of it. I’d imagine him doing it as both town and mafia, but it’s not mafia or town motivated

For after flips:
Kyo/Magnus is very likely a thing if one flips w

making sure this doesn’t get swept away. Currently i’m really not liking Kyo at all. He hasn’t responded to Geyde’s pressure well at all. His posts about Magnus seem like defending a buddy

Kai_5:

/vote Kyo
Reading over his ISO i fell confidence enough to say he’s a scumlean for me. His entire ISO is just a scummy mess idk how to describe

@Monokuma
Could you link me some of their scumgames that show your point in action

@Geyde

Kai is fucking obvtown
What have I been smoking

@Geyde

Currently making my way through the thread. I don’t like this wagon speed on Maximus. Either no wolves are in this thread at the point to push Maxi which I find unlikely. The other possibility there’s a wolf in those 3 which is the reality in keen in believing in

Kai_5:

Geyde:

KyoDaz:

Magnus is Magnus, I thought nothing of it. I’d imagine him doing it as both town and mafia, but it’s not mafia or town motivated

For after flips:
Kyo/Magnus is very likely a thing if one flips w

making sure this doesn’t get swept away. Currently i’m really not liking Kyo at all. He hasn’t responded to Geyde’s pressure well at all. His posts about Magnus seem like defending a buddy

Kai_5:

/vote Kyo
Reading over his ISO i fell confidence enough to say he’s a scumlean for me. His entire ISO is just a scummy mess idk how to describe

Solid progression on a vote with reasoning that isn’t stretching to come up with a reason to justify its existence

Kai_5:

hippity hoppity get on the cross

Dislike how the reason for the FoS is in a different post. Unless you need to come up with something quick but want to put suspicion on someone why put it in a different post

Kai_5:

not voting until it’s pointed out it’s not scummy.
Think the process here “hey it’s pointed out it’s scummy, i’ll do it to do a scummy vote to make people i’m town!”

Kai_5:

kyo/marshal/magnus scum

ez pz lemon squeezie

Kai_5:

never thought someone could OMGUS without a vote on either side

Kai_5:

if it’s a new one your using pre-flip which could be totally wrong. I’d suggest filing it as NAI then if he does flip scum you can use it laterv

Kai_5:

/vote Marshal

Yet more progression that isn’t forced and actually comes to a decent conclusion for the game

I leave the truthtelling and pelt discussion as mostly NAI
It’s just confidence, that he doesn’t have to do unless he’s trying to WiFoM after flips

Kai_5:

it’s not a tell unless it’s consistent compare this to lotrfm

Kai_5:

I’m pointing out you can’t say it’s a tell unless he’s CONSISTENTLY done it as scum, which is why i said compare it to lotrfm

Kai_5:

Thing is he doesn’t flip mafia in any world. I see him as someone who has their confidence totally shattered who will hedge as he does not want to repeat looming threat again.

That’s what i see and i’m more keen to put him in LHF rather than scum

Kai_5:

There is no way Vul flips mafia
i will stake my pelts on it

Kai_5:

I am not pocketed by Vul and if vul is my scum partner marshal is sexy and gets all of my pelts

This is way too performative to not be town!Kai

@Geyde

This is way too performative to not be town!Kai

RM3 vibes hit hard

@Geyde

Town leader super kami president chancellor kai

@Geyde

quote?
I didn’t remember seeing that

@Geyde

no u boomer

@Geyde

Actually, Magnus hasn’t really been acting like Black Flag at all
He’s not even giving off the illusion of being productive, unlike there

@Geyde

Also, am I the only one who’s townreading Maxi?

His tone here’s pretty much stupidly villagery and carefree from what I remember him as scum.

Ici made a really good point on the slot that I felt was really good

@Geyde

God I am god at god

@Geyde

I felt like Ici was trying to pocket me earlier in thread with the ‘reading me as town based on my comment on Maxi but not actually the validity of the comment’ bit

@Geyde

His logic has been shit this entire game, which isn’t that AI for him, but I’ve never seen him with this tone when he wolfs and he’s usually more careful with his posts.

Even his wall on maxi?

@Geyde

Oh

@Geyde

I felt like Ici was trying to pocket me earlier in thread with the ‘reading me as town based on my comment on Maxi but not actually the validity of the comment’ bit

@Kai_5
bouncing this off
can you make sure I’m not going insane

@Geyde

He hasn’t been doing any solving whatsoever
Why are you prodding them for content

@Geyde

I like Geyde’s thought on Maxi tbh

Icibalus:

like from a “Geyde is a villager” perspective rather than a “Geyde is right about Maxi perspective”

Completely unrelated but I found interesting™
vv

Icibalus:

Geyde, what do you think of my points on Vul?

Icibalus:

I’ve noticed them. My gut’s calling them v but honestly I really don’t feel it.

Icibalus:

@Geyde do you see my point about Vul’s tone being off now?

@Geyde

Not really to my memory
I think he’s trying to cooperate with me like he did in TvB with my push on Math if that makes sense

@Geyde

Like, letting me convince him that Math is scum and then pushing on him
That’s the best parallel I have for his play

@Geyde

HOES MAD

@Geyde

He made the first two posts that I quoted in the post before then
He didn’t make any attempts to interact with my slot while I was online

@Geyde

why are hoes mad

Ici just got busted

@Geyde

Just reread Marshal’s final posts, trust me
They’re completely pure

@Geyde

Meh
I don’t feel strongly about Kyo/Magnus being a thing

@Geyde

There’s only one post that signals it potentially happening
Even then, that one post could easily be construed as Magnus’s ISO being the most null thing on the planet and him evaluating it as such

@Geyde

Defend a player from themselves

@Geyde

From personal experience, Jake was ultra UTR that game
He went with the consensus mostly

@Geyde

From personal experience, Jake was ultra UTR that game
He went with the consensus mostly

I don’t recall him ever interacting with me or anyone else on the team though

@Geyde

What do you need quoted

@Geyde

His interaction with eevee, duh.
…Wait. Why am I asking you for help.

I offered it because I’m on PC

@Geyde

Was your fake readlist on this game? Because I read Kai’s entry and it’s clearly false as no one has flipped.

eevee:

ooo, Jake is here to analyse my fake readlist.

eevee:

Well duh, it is fake after all

eevee:

Asks me to do fake readlist and then complains it sounds fake.

What is even going on in this world.

JakeTheWolfie:

I thought you would be smarter than this.

Give a reasonably fake reason, not an obvious fake.

JakeTheWolfie:

Could you take a small break from the game for a minute or 120? I feel like you’re not going to be productive by voting someone that you don’t even scumread.

eevee:

I was watching TV Shows for last 3 hours to calm down.

As you can see Im still awake at 3 am, cause I needed to chill.

I’m way more calmer than I was before.

Now I am not angry anymore. I just want a revenge.

JakeTheWolfie:

So you don’t even care about winning at this point?

eevee:

I do care about winning this game.

The other one? No.

No after Kai tries to silence me down after I point out theirs mistake.

JakeTheWolfie:

Can you do an ISO of someone that you have a Nullread on?

eevee:

Sure

eevee:

This is Alice.

Theirs opening is medicore at best.

Too much justification for such a simple message.
They could just not write anything instead as well and effect would be same.

JakeTheWolfie:

Ok, you’re just being lazy at this point.

JakeTheWolfie:

Can you do a full-fledged ISO of someone, responding to at least half of their posts?

eevee:

I just did.

I responded to 100% of in game posts as well.

And 50% of total ones if we count /in as post.

JakeTheWolfie:

I don’t want Eevee to be scummy, but at the same time they’re acting scummy AF because of them wanting revenge without listening to reason.

Arete:

Why don’t you want Eevee to be scummy?

JakeTheWolfie:

Because a scummy town is a bad town.

Geyde:

actively interesting post that should be looked into later after flips

JakeTheWolfie:

At the time, they were pushing hard for a Kai lynch because of personal reasons. But now they’re convinced me that they’re actively not contributing

JakeTheWolfie:

Yes, I’m so confident that they’re town that I’m literally voting them

JakeTheWolfie:

I literally never thoguht they were town. at most I Scumleaned them which progressed into a scumread

@Geyde

The more and more Jake posts the less and less i like him

He’s openwolfing
I don’t think you need to read too hard into it

@Geyde

fall

call*

@Geyde

@Geyde

You’re not getting useful associations off of this in a practical sense

@Geyde

I have a wall of slurs for Eevee’s performance this game in my rolecard
It was effective, but damn if it didn’t hit me in the nuts

@Geyde

It feels like a weird case of TMI to me where you actually know eevee’s alignment and you can genuinely write a statement such as ‘Eevee’s performance this game was effective’ in past tense because you already know his alignment and as such, what he was doing.

Vulgard:

Do you think you already have his alignment 100% resolved, since you’re saying that kind of thing?

That play is completely obvtown off of associations with Jake
He also solved Marshal’s slot with his play, which is why I am calling it effective

@Geyde

/vote Icibalus

@Geyde

I am completely confident is Jake scum, ergo making preflips

@Geyde

@Kai_5
Can you case kyo
I feel mostly null on the slot still

[MaximusPrime]

i think this is a good point for me to stop reading and go to sleep then

@ me if u need anything

[MaximusPrime]

@Maxwell

Full, pre-commentary Geyde ISO for reference and especially for mobile users, will make gut reactions and then commentary after compiling this:

@maxwell what in the ACTUAL fuck that’s long as as amount of bs that’s been going on in this thread

took me like a solid 30 seconds to scroll all the way thru ur fucking post PLEASE put it in spoilers

[MaximusPrime]

mountainous really be bringing the worst and best out of everyone god damn this is some hot tea

[Maxwell]

Apologies, fixed and done. Won’t happen again

[Maxwell]

Gut reactions:

1. Reading just this ISO, it seems my slot (Marshal) was pretty bad for most of the game but then redeemed himself just a bit just before subbing out.

2. I felt it was very valuable to compile this ISO. It’s impressive how few posts are valueless or close to valueless. Then again I kind of feel zero or close to zero fluff is NAI for Geyde.

3. We have a lot of associations already which is good.

4. Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel WAY more of a drive to gamesolve than I did in SFoL 53. Need to look at other Geyde scum games – will link a few soon.

5. Powerwolfing and dominating the thread singlehandedly won me the game in FoL 23. Although I don’t remember this happening in any recent games I was in, we must remember that this is always a possibility.

6. Geyde’s responses are concentrated most between Vul, Arete, Jake, and Kai, and some Hja, among a few others.

May have others later but these are the first things that came to mind.

[eevee]

Mountanious is about creating content, considering we dont start with it and will never get it.

Even worse - arsonist means that it’s gonna lacl informations from nightkills

[Maxwell]

this is too long to provide commentary on every single quote, and i’ve missed most of the thread before I subbed in and there will never be time to read it all, so others’ commentary on specific quotes from earlier on will probably have much more value than I could.

[Maxwell]

Since I’ve already given so much info about this game that was a rare Alice scum game, I should probably finish off giving info on everyone in this game who was in that one. Eevee and Icibalus shared a slot in this game; their team chat is below:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yva19gi7c7a962x/Color%20Wheel%20Team%20Mafia%20-%20purple-team%20[601928097591197698].html?dl=0
They were VT, same as me.
Eevee played in the slot day 1: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23441-Color-Wheel-Team-Mafia-Rerand/page1 to https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23441-Color-Wheel-Team-Mafia-Rerand/page32, and Icibalus played in the slot day 4: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23441-Color-Wheel-Team-Mafia-Rerand/page99 to https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23441-Color-Wheel-Team-Mafia-Rerand/page109. Their slot died night 4.

[Maxwell]

One thing that pops out:

@Maxwell

Howdy, I’m Magnus the Vanilla Town.

Luxy:

Town Citizen

You have no abilities except your voice and your vote. Put them to good use!
You win when all of the Mafia are dead.

interesting™

Although I could be reading too much into things, this does kind of feel like a semi-wolf soft.

[Maxwell]

7. It’s hard for me to read kai from this ISO. He’s always big and bold.
   Anyone know some secure distinctions from the meta of town!Kai and scum!Kai?

[Maxwell]

This is true but at least it’s better than deep mechanic games where town gets themselves claimvigged or claim-debuffed to hell like SFoL 00 or SFoL 53, respectively.

[Maxwell]

Big note: PLEASE DON’T SLACK, ANYONE because it’s just day 1.
VFM becomes much, much easier for town when a wolf is lynched day 1. All three games that I played on MU and linked here that I won with town, a wolf was lynched day 1.
Day 1 is the most important day of the game for many VFM games.

[Maxwell]

I think i’m done for now.
PLEASE ping me if you want another ISO that has not been provided yet. Me compiling a 250 post ISO, one at a time, shows my dedication to ISO’ing this game. Also others please feel free to provide commentary on Geyde’s ISO. I’m the least equipped to do so since I wasn’t in the game for half of day 1… Let me know if you’d like anything else from me; I should be around.

[Vulgard]

I love you Maxwell, can we get married?

Not really a fluff post since I think he’s super towny especially now and I want to express this before he gets nightkilled.

[Maxwell]

Oh i know i’m dead as fuck now. That’s why I plan to be online all through EoD1.

[Vulgard]

I would provide commentary on the Geyde ISO, but I don’t want to keep tunneling him which will probably happen if I do that (and Maxwell correctly stated that I shouldn’t tunnel people).

I’m currently waiting for a few certain people to start posting again. Also, one thing I wanted to do.

@JakeTheWolfie Please give me your thoughts about this game as a whole right now. I want to know where your head is and where you would want the thread to go. This is your last chance because you are most likely going to get lynched if you don’t clear yourself before EoD. If you are town, this is very -EV for the village (translation: really bad and it slows us down). So please listen to me and provide your insight. We don’t want a mislynch day 1 if we can help it.

If you’re scum, don’t listen to me I guess.

[eevee]

Wait, you was most impactful slot?

Not ours who nailed 3/4 scum day 1 and led a lynch on strongest of them?

You hurt my feelings.

[eevee]

I would say it was great general performance tho.

[eevee]

@Vulgard

@JakeTheWolfie Please give me your thoughts about this game as a whole right now. I want to know where your head is and where you would want the thread to go. This is your last chance because you are most likely going to get lynched if you don’t clear yourself before EoD. If you are town, this is very -EV for the village (translation: really bad and it slows us down). So please listen to me and provide your insight. We don’t want a mislynch day 1 if we can help it.

You are still doing things just to show off.
Meh.