Going to ISO alice from the september d6 light game after posting the compiled Hja iso from this thread before moving on on this thread’s ISO’s
Hja ISO to this point, ~330 posts:
Have you people not been informed of why I had to leave?
I’ve had minimal time on in all 3 of the games I am in.
I’m now going to read absolutely everything I’ve missed and make a huge wallpost.
See you in the next 3 hours
Monokumalice ISO from MU September D6 Light Game Part 1 of 2 -- She Won as Scum in a Sweep at EoD3 -- On Alternate Account "Miu Iruma" -- Account created on MU 20 months for a very old mash before Monokumalice's current "Alice Liddell" account was created there that she is using for this game:
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Putting out slank cover for d1 as I unfortunately have been very busy with schoolwork. Will be able to increase my volume afterwards.
Thinking Michelle and meatloaf are looking the best so far from an earlier skim due to their fluid thought process, having mixed feelings with Wisdom and some concerns with Marl. Rest don’t seem to have as much noteworthy content.
Could you tell me why did you make that wallpost? From the third paragraph it looks like this post was not pre-written being that you did factor in Wiggles’ opening post so I don’t think it may be NAI, especially as I don’t think I’ve ever seen you make a post like this before as an entrance.
I’m kind of uneasy in regards to post #65 and #69, more specifically the phrases “It’s as if we are talking about different players here, and that gives me the feeling that you try to defend at least one of these players metas.” and “I was going to say that all scum are amongst you four but that wasn’t possible so I settled for that. Regardless, it seems as if you and I are playing with different meta-reads and I’m guessing that’s because of you have a TMI-perspective.”
Could you explain to me how you arrived at that conclusion? It felt rushed and unnecessarily shade-y.
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I think I probably know who you are as well. I forgot to log on my main account when I signed up, but eh.
Additionally kinda of agreeing that Michelle’s probs strongly town based on meta reasons being that as W I’ve only seen her make surface level reads rather than try to make reads pertaining to TMI and other perspective-relations ones.
FTR, I think I may potentially know who Aisaka is from their tone and the original holder of their account. Both these accounts were created for a mash and I know who was the original holder of that account.
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Originally Posted by Aisaka Misuzu on September 16, 2019, 11:29:04 PM (#242)
I believed at one point that they may have been teamed, but I’m not so sure now. My stance is that Duk3 is still scummy and I’m not sure where to end up on Wisdom before they come in again and post more. Gun to head, duk3 w wisdom v.
The first post you’re quoting was suspicious to me because Duk3’s description of the situation inaccurately portrays why meatloaf was suspecting Wisdom.
The lip service came later when Duk3 said he’d respect meatloaf’s suspicion, despite having put Wisdom in top tier town. It doesn’t seem like he genuinely cares about meatloaf’s suspicion at all.
Am I not supposed to be reaching on Day 1?
Agree here that Wisdom/Duke is more likely V/W than W/W, but I still am disliking Wisdom the most.
Their meta post felt way too performative for them and the lack of proper build-up to the suspicion on meatloaf feels more visceral rather than actual suspicion. Duk3’s reactiveness and jumping to Wisdom’s defense is bad, but the way he’s handling your suspicion is a pretty direct rather than indirect method like how he did it in Color Wheel pre-rerand.
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Could you tell me why did you make that wallpost? From the third paragraph it looks like this post was not pre-written being that you did factor in Wiggles’ opening post so I don’t think it may be NAI, especially as I don’t think I’ve ever seen you make a post like this before as an entrance.
Because I had decided this game that i was going to try wallposting due to the incredibly low post limit
i usually post over 200-250 times per day phase and a 50 limit is way too limitingbut about midway through the first paragraph i got sick of it and decided to turn it into a joke instead
What was the original intent of the wall before you made it into a joke?
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I’m kind of uneasy in regards to post #65 and #69, more specifically the phrases “It’s as if we are talking about different players here, and that gives me the feeling that you try to defend at least one of these players metas.” and “I was going to say that all scum are amongst you four but that wasn’t possible so I settled for that. Regardless, it seems as if you and I are playing with different meta-reads and I’m guessing that’s because of you have a TMI-perspective.”
Could you explain to me how you arrived at that conclusion? It felt rushed and unnecessarily shade-y.
Lunch break!
I was frustrated since I’m quite confident in the way I read peoples metas. For me, those three people have a strong meta that they can’t change by adjusting and I couldn’t wrap my head around why Meatloaf would call me a liar if not to trying to discredit my way of reading them so that people wouldn’t take my reads seriously. The only reason I can find for him doing so was if he was defending at least one of them, knowing that one of them were scum.
Then I thought about it and found it unlikely that all three wolves were in that bunch, it just felt too good to be true. But I stick to him doing this mess do discredit my way of playing so that, if or when one of these players acts differently from their town meta, he can shut me down when I’m calling it out.
So far, nothing from them really pinged me though, so I’m sticking my guns to Meatloaf and try to find townies outside of Meat/WWS/Percy/Wigg for the time being.
Also, if Meatloaf is Moth he should know what I’m talking about regarded to WWS since my scum meta on him is based on a game we all played together, so on that note I know Meatloaf is BSing. Sure, WWS calls my way of reading him worthless, but I’d say it’s up for me to decide.
Why did you think the bolded?
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Would like to hear more from @Garden Gnome as well. What are you perspectives on Loaf v Wisdom?
@Miu Iruma What are your reads on this?
Originally I thought that it looked like a W/V argument with Wisdom as a wolf and Meat as the villager. Now I’m kind of thinking that it has a lot of signs pointing to a V/V argument being that Wisdom’s stubborness and paranoia towards Meat’s does feel to be kind of villagery even if her progression’s off.
I’m curious on what exactly are your views in this argument, though?
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you aren’t going to stop my push just because you can turn it on me
if you want to try, go for itand i didn’t take that bit of the read because it makes no sense
villagers push other villagers all the time. who you perceive as a wolf, they might not.
I don’t think your read is a real read. It isn’t trying to dig past the surface at all.
If you want to change my mind, humor me and explain your GG read to me. Preferably in more detail than just “wolfy posts”
They hung around for 7 posts and didn’t post any opinions or progress the game in a useful way.
Is that NAI too?
Also “stop your push”. What are you pushing?
Does GG usually do stuff in the RVS? I don’t have much meta on them aside from the fact that they never bus.
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Hmmm…
Mind informing me what are your thoughts on the Wisdom/Moth argument?
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Does anyone have a village!GG game I could use for reference? I kind of want to check something rn.
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Does anyone have a village!GG game I could use for reference? I kind of want to check something rn.
Thinking Wiggles may have a point here. From ISO’ing GG’s game in the Innocent and the Tree they were far more inquisitive and chased stuff rather than what they’re doing this match.
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you aren’t going to stop my push just because you can turn it on me
if you want to try, go for itand i didn’t take that bit of the read because it makes no sense
villagers push other villagers all the time. who you perceive as a wolf, they might not.
I don’t think your read is a real read. It isn’t trying to dig past the surface at all.
If you want to change my mind, humor me and explain your GG read to me. Preferably in more detail than just “wolfy posts”
They hung around for 7 posts and didn’t post any opinions or progress the game in a useful way.
Is that NAI too?
Also “stop your push”. What are you pushing?
Does GG usually do stuff in the RVS? I don’t have much meta on them aside from the fact that they never bus.
I think she describes her play well as far as RVS goes.
I prefer to use the word “airhead” to describe myself. Idiot is overused.
I’m kind of disliking them at an early glance rn. Their thought process here has been pretty lacking and they were far more curious and fluid in that previous Zork game.
I AM HERE! says Gnome as she makes a grand entrance. (how did the other game end so quickly, and with such a blood bath???
This bugs me, unless it’s an act.
You are easily bugged. Why do you feel bugged???
Speaking of hidden votes, Contrainer tried to put his vote in a spoiler which is level 2 pretty wolfy.
that does sound wolfy. But do you think that might be too obvious for a wolf?
Speaking of hidden votes, Contrainer tried to put his vote in a spoiler which is level 2 pretty wolfy.
that does sound wolfy. But do you think that might be too obvious for a wolf?
No, wolves often feel subconscious about voting early in games so this reveals a desire to not call attention to what he’s doing.
I would think that putting a vote in a spoiler would be an attention seeking tactic.
One could clearly discern the reason the first game ended simply by reading the thread, and this feels like an attempt at getting something to talk about and appearing participating.
I did read it. Something wacky happened but I didn’t understand it. Also, I’ve just arrived so I needed to get a feel of the players.
With the very same players in the most games you play, would “get a feel” really be a neccessity here?
It is. Very much so.
Don’t think I’m seeing the same level of curiosity here as in that game. So far the below is kind of the only post that shows some thought here from her. Would need to see more rn.
Good evening my fellow players. My name is Marluxion. Some of you may know me from other such games as “the one where you revealed as IC and did nothing” and “that one game where you exclusively defended wolves as a villager”. It is my pleasure to play in this September D6 Light Game with you all.
As some of you may or may not be aware of, this is a light game! We can only make a maximum of 50 posts per day. Bummer! A common complaint about my play up until this point is that I “look too scummy” due to my exasperating posting style in which i do nothing but sound like an shrieking monkey until I either get my way or you lynch me. I am going to use this game as an attempt to peek into the minds of those of you whom frequently wallpost and look like you have a fourty two centimeter flagpole shoved into your anus at all times of the game. I shall be dabbling in this to make myself look like a brain genius like yourselves.
With that said, let us begin the game! I see that right off the bat we have a very LAMIST post from one “Wiggles1993.” The post I am referring to, of course, is P#7 . I’m uncertain as to whether or not this post is truly alignment indicative as wiggles often enters abrasively like this as both alignments. This is one of the many posts i’ll be taking into consideration when i make my reads list following this post. Let us move on!
The next post I would like to draw attention to is P#14 . Michelle is speaking to the man known to you as “Waywardson” and to me as “Old fart”. In said post, she savagely disses him and even BMs (That is “bad manners” for you non-brain-geniuses out there) him by including a “nerd” emoji at the end of the post. I believe this post to be one of the crucial posts that I need to solve this game. Moving on to our final alignment indicative post of the day.
P#21 is the post i am referring to. I believe this post is a critical piece of the puzzle in figuring out the scum team. The post is written by our very own “Perceus Maximus”, or “Percy” for short. In this post he addresses my previous concerns with the thread - and at the same time he manages to call out a list of players which I believe contains every single member of the scum team. Yes, he does include some villagers in whom he refers to, but i do believe all of the mafia are included within that range as well.
In conclusion, I hope you all are enjoying my new posting style! I hope we are all able to get along and to find the mafia together! With all that being said, my reads are as follows:
This is great. It is so much better than shriek like a monkey until everyone goes deaf or you get lynched and dispatched to the Dead Thread by relieved players (regardless of alignment). Would you say that you are more exasperating as town or as scum? That way, I will have some idea of your most likely alignment when you are more entertaining than exasperating.
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That level of interest and analysis is far beyond me at the moment given irl events wit which I’m dealing with.
My condolences.
Why exactly do you like moth, though?
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Will not be here for the EoD. Rn I’d give Wiggles more time as I think he may have a point regarding GG.
Thinking Wisdom has a point and I’m pretty much seeing W!Percy here as it looks like he’s having issues generating content from his answers to my questions.
##Vote Percy
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September D6 Light Game Night 1 Results
moms meatloaf was killed. They were: Vanilla Town .
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You are Vanilla Town . You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
Michelle was killed. They were: Vanilla Town .
Role PM for September D6 Light Game
You are Vanilla Town . You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
Night 1 has ended.
Night 1 ended at 9:00 AM EDT on Wednesday, September 18th, 2019 .
So in this case either the Vig killed moth or Michelle, both who were pretty much obvtown rather than the CW.
This is just going to be one of those games, isn’t it?
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I shall take no blame for Garden Gnome to start playing in the last few hours of the day. No idea why I was a wagon.
Also no idea why mafia would kill either of those people.
Bullshit, I don’t see any worlds here where you can even be town
I wanna solve Percy first, tbh. From my past play with him I don’t think he’s likely to flip town here.
Since GG flipped V then if Percy flips W then this pretty much should clear wiggles.
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I shall take no blame for Garden Gnome to start playing in the last few hours of the day. No idea why I was a wagon.
Also no idea why mafia would kill either of those people.
For what it’s worth, my friend at this point you are one of my strongest Town reads (not that is worth much admittedly, but still…). I only voted for you out of self preservation on my phone is a couple of seconds I had to check on the game. Just wanted to make that point crystal clear. Thank you and goodnight.
Why were you TR’ing GG and now Wiggles?
If you’re a villager, then let me find you as so far I’ve seen no signs of V! Percy.
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I shall take no blame for Garden Gnome to start playing in the last few hours of the day. No idea why I was a wagon.
Also no idea why mafia would kill either of those people.
Bull$#@!, I don’t see any worlds here where you can even be town
I wanna solve Percy first, tbh. From my past play with him I don’t think he’s likely to flip town here.
Since GG flipped V then if Percy flips W then this pretty much should clear wiggles.
I wonder if you’d care to elaborate on that my friend? What experience is that precisely and on what grounds do you draw that conclusion? I can’t wait for morning…
I’ve played with you several times on my main account and I always manage to find you if you’re a villager. I’d like to know how you came to your conclusion as V!Percy always has a very fluid progression on his read which I’m not seeing here.
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Pretty much where I’m at rn.
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PercyWolf
Kind of wanting to solve Percy rn before Wiggles considering that since Percy self-pres’d onto him over a flipped villager, I don’t think they’re ever W/W together.
Mind ceasing your tunneling on Wiggles for the moment?
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If I get mislynched somehow, I’d just like somebody to take the mantle of carrying on my legacy.
My legacy being there’s probably at least 2 of the of the scum inside Suspicious, Duk3star, Garden Gnome, Miu, Percy. Possibly all 3.
If I’m wrong on any of Duk3star, Garden Gnome, or Suspicious, which could easily be the case, my next thought goes to Miu Iruma. I liked a lot of their thoughts, but they’re not unfakeable, and the Percy vote seems a bit low-accountability.
These are the thoughts I’ve expressed on Miu so far. I suspect the person behind the alt is bearsquared, who was Charmander in Vindictive Veggies. If this is the case, it’s easy to see why I think they’re unferwhelming.
Well, wrong on both accounts. I’m not bear and my d1 was underwhelming due to IRL reasons, as I’ve posted in my opening.
Here’s the thing about my previous history with Percy. In all games I’ve played with him I have never failed to correctly read him by the end of day 1. As a wolf he often struggles to generate content and create a realistic and fluid progression to imitate his town game. Other times as a wolf much of his content ends up being pure regurgitation. As town he is a natural, independent and confident town leader who can instantly become obvtown as soon asthe game begins, and I’m simply not seeing this in him today.
Here are some excerpts of his content in a light game a few months back where he was a wolf.
Greetings, All!
This might be a good game - those little bear cubs are super-adorable!
Nice try scum, no town would notice that little detail.
It’s been what, three posts? I’ll not endure you a second longer, my friend.
##Vote Stepifan
If something is town I would say it is mate.
I’m not sure what’s purpose of egix’s defense here. Do you think smileys have an effect on you finding his posts chill or natural?
Percy voting this early seems to be out of his meta as he always preferred a late vote. @Percy, what’s your read on Stepifan?
@Capage & AndrewGreve: You both asked me this so you’ll forgive me if I’m economical with my response. Primarily, I’ve wolfed with him before and he’s played the same aggression card here that he did then. I think there is a chance based on my experience of him that he has some equity here. Aside from that, I’ve frankly had a gutful of players that come in to games as he did in this one. I also feel as though his entire approach is working totally at odds to Sunbae’s. At this point, I suspect that my interest in this game may dissipate when and if Sunbae should be be removed in any way from it.
And yes, Cap - you are SPOT ON! Go look through any game I’ve played here at MU (and there have been many) and I think I can be quite confident in saying that I have NEVER voted for anyone Day 1 before the last say, EoD minus six hours. I apologise if anyone here (including you) believes that I am being in any way unreasonable in this regard but at this point, I don’t intend on changing my vote from where it is right now.
percy, can you please list any other reads? or do some work on solving another players alignment?
I am not asking to be bossy or a jerk(like accusing you of being lazy or something), I am asking because watching you interact/solve with more players will raise the accuracy of my read more than other single thing you and I can do.
Hi, @AndrewGreve: Thanks for this post, it’s helping me take a step back in evaluating you. I don’t generally (ever, actually) do reads lists early in these games but based on my ‘feel’ so far, I’m leaning Town on Dya, Cap and Sunbae (with whom I’ve played few games but on the basis of what I’ve seen here, would like to play a lot more). I kinda want to lean Town on Chemist but he’s being more involved in this game than I recall he usually is but what he’s putting out there seems fine - I’m not sure what to make of that. As for everyone else, the jury’s still out for me.
What about SRs outside of Step?
What about them? I don’t (at this point) feel I have sufficient information to outright suspect anyone else as a Wolf. If I’m not Town-leaning on you, you could subsequently be assessed as either alignment. I’m not in the business of making judgements that I don’t actually believe. Maybe you have a different approach but I appreciate it if you could respect the fact that not everyone shares that approach.
My last post and I won’t be around for eod. Here are my final eod1 thoughts and its gonna be a freaking wall:
Regarding Stepifan I still don’t understand where the villager reads are coming from on the “thread flow” front. There has been ample resistance. Cases were made on Dyachei and Percy. Chemist made a small one on Andrew. The Stepifan wagon was not stagnant. It grew! It started this morning with 3 votes, then Capage joined based on Stepifan’s responses to Dya, then I joined based on the culmination of of Dya’s thoughts, Percy’s and Arya’s experience, and my own thoughts on how Stepifan was posting compared to what they were saying. Meanwhile Andrew was calling the wagon bad and saying Stepifan was a villager. Geyde was talking extensively about how Stepifan should be clear. Alice commented that thread flow made Stepifan a likely villager. All of these people voted elsewhere! There is a lot of resistance to Stepifan’s wagon and the only reason I have seen for people to call them a villager is “because there’s no resistance to their wagon”. I don’t follow it at all and it feels sketchy to me.
Regarding Percy: I recognize the things Andrew is saying about Percy but I don’t think it really means much. Percy has been rather vocal about who they are voting and why. They are basing it on previous experience wolfing with Stepifan. The fact that the “no resistance” camp involves people jumping onto Percy in response bothers me as well. I do not have Percy in my top villager tier, but I think the reasons people are pushing him don’t hold much water and he’s done nothing that concerns me.
Regarding Capage: Their post switching to Alice spooks me. They call Alice a likely wolf if Stepifan flips villager by agreeing with my logic that Alice was straddling and potentially just wanting to be correct about Stepifan. Then they turn around and say they also think Alice is a likely wolf if Stepifan was a wolf because they were defending Stepifan. This spooks me because I think it’s worded in a weird way. Instead of saying some form of “I think Alice is wolfy regardless of Stepifan’s alignment”, they were instead trying to say why Stepifan being a wolf increases Alice’s chances of being a wolf while voting Alice instead of Stepifan . I’ve liked a lot of Capage’s posts so far but that is something I find noteworthy for potential opportunistic voting. Still have them as a villager lean but I brought it down a few pegs.
Speaking of Alice: I understand their explanation for the Percy vote (“lack of progression from him with his RVS vote on Step. The word push being relatively overstated as I don’t have much time to play today.”). It’s similar to how I understand Andrew’s thoughts on Percy even if I don’t agree with them. My biggest concern with Alice is how they seemed to have a caveat for all their earlier posts followed by them not really adjusting those thoughts during discussion. They call Stepifan a villager based on thread movement while also commenting there are a few different ways that make sense for the thread movement to occur with Stepifan being a wolf. When Dyachei offers another solution - wolves just not being in the thread much yet – Alice said Dyachei has a point since so many people aren’t taking stances but then never discusses how that affects her read on Stepifan. Instead Alice just votes Percy before commenting again that Stepifan is viewed as LHF. It’s concerning to me – especially given the amount of resistance I’ve found to the Stepifan wagon – and I think Alice getting some more thoughts out there is important.
Regarding Dyachei: I don’t understand the wagon there at all. Whereas I understand the reason people are voting Percy and just disagree with the result, I just don’t understand why they are a wagon. Both of the votes on them ammounted to “They are disagreeing with me so I’m going to vote them”. I’m hoping someone can help me out with a more concise explanation.
Regarding Kliff: I don’t subscribe to the theory that lynching people that aren’t playing is bad due to a lack of information. The goal is to lynch wolves and if they end up being low posters then whatever. In the recent mentor game the village imploded because the wolves just refrained from posting much for a few game days. By the time they started posting more, the village had to clean up those that were incorrect a lot and the wolves got to coast to a win. If you view Kliffs post and subsequent disappearance as wolfy then they are a prime d1 vote imo. Personally, I do view it as wolfy. The shown excitement for the game of “oh no it started when I was asleep” and then zero effeort to participate further makes me think they weren’t really excited.
Regarding Chemist: They had a nice spurt where they went off in their own direction which I tend to find villagery, but I’d like to see more from them. As I reread their ISO, it really wasn’t much and could certainly just be a wolf powering out a couple reads and a vote. It was almost like they were just trying to get to the end of their posting so they could vote instead of the vote coming naturally. The more I think about them, the more I’m thinking they are wolfy.
I think the best wagons for today are some combination of Alice, Kliff, Chemist, and Stepifan. I think in that order as well now given that some people I think are villagery (Geyde, lesser extent Andrew) are pretty confident in Step being a villager. I’m going to remain on Alice.
Good luck friends!
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I’ll elaborate more on Step. I’ve played a game with V!Step around a week ago and the main reasons that people SR’d him here were also present last game as AG pointed out. Additionally, it’s not the lack of resistance that troubles me regarding his wagon as people have claimed here, as it’s how his wagon was formed. I feel like I’m repeating myself, but here it goes.
He was the main wagon for over two thirds of the first day since RVS without any realistic CWs springing up until recently. This fully implies that the wolves were either satisfied with Step being a lead wagon or are just not playing the game, which further hints him to being V. I discounted the possibility of the latter as for this to happen the wolves need to be exactly in a small handful of people, which means that the former is a far more likely explanation on Step’s wagon.
On Percy the main reason I have him as a SR is that he effectively just voted Step in the beginning and hasn’t followed up at all. This while coasting the game really makes me uneasy on him.
On dya she’s kind of a nullish-V read for me. I’d imagine that the votes were due to her being the one pushing hardest on Step. Reconsidering on Step kind of looks to be a villa progression for now.
Fully agreed on Kliff as being a very artificial opening post.
One note… I haven’t felt the need to follow up on my vote. I’ve been monitoring the thread and as I’ve said (now probably on multiple occasions) I’ve seen nothing from Step and his interactions with myself or others that has prompted me to reconsider my vote.
Much of his content was only a weak scumread on Step while Percy also had little to no interaction with other villagers and did not bother to seek them out until pressured. Ultimately this mirrors a lot what I saw him d1 being that he had no opinion on Wisdom and Moth’s conflict while at the same time only liking Moth due to personal reasons and having no reads on him, which brings me back to my initial point that he lacks the ability to generate content on his own as a wolf.
Additionally here are some of his posts in Homicide Investigators.
You guys are starting to give me a complex… I pride myself on my articulateness but clearly, I’m off my game here
Please allow me to clarify.
hey percy you said previously that last game you were scum and did very well
I was a Wolf in my last game here. Personally, I didn’t play that well. Town were largely absent from the game (with one or two exceptions and they were subs) and sadly reaped what they sowed. I did not feel a great sense of pride at winning that game.you then stated that you felt this game youd be short on time but wanted to help to set yourself apart from your scum meta.
What I said was, that despite having limited time to play this game for about the first 48 hours, I wasn’t going to contribute to letting our team down like those guys did if I can help it.do you feel like town is playing well enough that scum wont dominate this game?
To be honest, I think it’s too early to tell. Certainly (as I think WaywardSon commented) we need to engage with each other more and I’m not seeing an awful lot of that. Having said that, I think I’m seeing enough from a number of players to help me see things with a little more clarity now than I did before.
As I’d mentioned earlier, I kinda like Alice. She hasn’t a huge amount of posts but what she has, indicates to me someone capable of independent thought despite the fact that her most recent conclusion about me is in error. I can forgive that though in a player that I can see is honest and trying to do the right thing for us.
What do you think about Alice’s sudden flip from TRing/defending Moldy, to SRing/voting Moldy?
If it’s not Dragomir, I suppose (as much as I personally don’t like it) it’s highly likely that unicornturtle is it.
Why don’t you like it?
Frankly, I’m still in the place where Alice was on Moldy. She concisely explained the rationale for her change of opinion there in #839. I respect her right to change her mind based on the discovery of that new information. Do you not? Do you not believe her comment there?
As for unicornturtle, he just seems like a nice kid. He seems to suspect me for the reason that I’m ‘nice’ and/or somewhat long-winded. As I know you know, he’s not the first and he likely won’t be the last…
Again, Dragomir’s vote was ALREADY on Annulus. That being the case (and given that he returned his vote to Annulus immediately after his WWS vote) why would’ve he been playing around with the voting button at all in that case? And AGAIN, I’m not saying this point is remotely conclusive (because it isn’t). I’m just saying that it makes no sense to me.
Mmkay, you make a point a point. But I still think your read on him is wrong. He seemed to genuinely think I was the Vig, and if he was a wolf and thought I was the Vig I would likely be dead now.
You know me well enough my friend to know that I am open to reason. I’m willing to consider a case in Dragomir’s defence. I accept that you believe that he may have thought you were the vigilante but do you REALLY believe that consideration alone would’ve influenced the Wolves’ NK choice last night? I’m not so sure that it would’ve. It wouldn’t have left them with a patsy for today’s lynch like their actual choice did.
Again, it shows that in the first day Percy struggled to generate any reads at all while at the same time either deferring it or giving a very weak opinion. And yet again Percy flipped scum in this game.
In contrast, here are some reads that Percy made in his village game in Virt’s Wicked.
Good morning and welcome to everyone that’s joined since I left last night, particularly my old friends @WaywardSon, @Chemist1422 and @Yagami
@Helz: This point you make an interesting point here that challenges my own interpretation of Haven4Haven’s posts. They have kinda struck me as being quite genuine and unsophisticated from what I’ve read. I’m still leaning Town on them but will mull your observation over some more.
Just for random note dumping to help break the $#@!show of an RVS that early D1 has been…
I saw a ‘potential’ for a scum slip in H4H’s post 279 which reads "I have never been scum before ". This is soft and small but still worth pointing out. I would genuinly like to hear more from @Heaven4Heaven on her read on Contrainer.
I townlean Marluxion. His interactions were genuine and his frustration was justified. I cant say I strongly support his reasoning but if he was scum he would not be upset when LordQuas invalidated him. In my opinion this is a decent intention indicator I could really follow. His progression from poking his own post to draw attention to it, then voting compound that attention, to his frustration when it was invalidated did not feel contrived. I cant speak to his skill but he would have to be a very strong player to manipulate ATE progression that well.
@myc: From everything I’ve read catching up this morning, I get this vibe from your posts of a high degree of confidence and it worries me a bit. To help me discern what that could mean, can I please ask you to link me to a Town and a Wolf game that you’ve played here? Thanks.
@Helz I like your analysis of H4H, but I don’t like that you don’t appear to have a read on them. If you do, what is it?
Greetings, my friend. I trust we’ll have a better game here than we did last time we played together. I like the tone of your posts so far but I would like to clarify something here for my own satisfaction. When you say that you don’t like that Helz doesn’t have an opinion of Haven4Haven, is that as a consequence of their analysis of them or are you suggesting that they should have an opinion irrespective?
My friend, I’m not giving you the chance to mislynch me again, let alone the chance to win as a wolf.
@MrChuckleteeth: Was this comment directed at me, my friend? I can tell you right now, I’m not Wolf-reading you at all and have no interest in lynching you. Also, it is simply impossible for me to win this game as a Wolf (because I’m not one) so there’s that.
No, it was directed at DT. I was trying to come off as more friendly because I wasn’t trying to come off as rude. But I am honestly not in a good mood after having to repeat myself over and over.
I’m sorry to hear that. DT is a VERY capable player and totally ruthless as a Wolf but if I had to choose right now, I think I’d err on the side of Town. He seems a trifle aggravated in his posting and (whilst not conclusive) from my experience, that’s a Town-tell for him.
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I find this intriguing. I seem to recall earlier in the Day, Shattiel was a lead or co-lead wagon and then support for her completely eroded and the wagon dissipated, and now she’s back. Looking at the wagon, I like that composition. I get a strange vibe about Shattiel and will consider voting there tomorrow.
@Alice Liddell, I am saddened at your absence from this game. If you’re Town you are a major asset to us. Please get in here ASAP. You are missed
LordQuas claimed Town Mason. WaywardSon is sounding good to me in the limited posts he’s made. Yagami, again, I am leaning Town there. From what I’ve observed, his behaviour looks Townie to me based on my experience of him. I know people have levelled some pretty heavy fire on MrChuckleteeth and yet, no one is voting for him? I’ve never seen him Wolf before but I’m having trouble he can post like he has here as a Wolf. His posts seem articulate, well thought through, logical and incisive. That’s the sort of thing I’d associate with a competent Townie.
He began out with a very strong and confident read on myc, made a judgement on Chuckes’ alignment and then began probing into the interactions between him and Helz, and then correctly townread DT despite him being one of the main wagons at EoD1 then.
Point is, there is a vastly huge difference between V!Percy and W!Percy. Unfortunately I’m seeing more the latter due to his response to me in regards to Wisdom/Moth.
@wiggles1993: FWIW, I don’t think I agree with you about Suspicious - I don’t think he is that much…?
@Suspicious: Could you please give me a précis of you Mafia experience please? I get a sense that you have some relatable experience in these games but perhaps not in the context of this site and its regular players…
Hmmm…
Mind informing me what are your thoughts on the Wisdom/Moth argument?
Hello, my friend. To be honest with you, I have none. That level of interest and analysis is far beyond me at the moment given irl events wit which I’m dealing with. From what I’ve read so far, I like Moth (always do) but I ‘don’t know I’d take that to the Alignment Indicitaveness bank…?
That level of interest and analysis is far beyond me at the moment given irl events wit which I’m dealing with.
My condolences.
Why exactly do you like moth, though?
Thank you, my friend. I’ve played lots of games with him. In my first game here, he presented this masterful case against Dukie. I picked it up and ran with it and Moth was spot on when few others believed him. I’ve had lots of memorable moments with him in games since. I find him uniquely entertaining (if not occasionally erratic as Town) but also a good friend here and I respect him enormously.
Sure, little of this is alignment related but you asked me why I like Moth - let me count the ways…
He isn’t taking a solid stance on Suspicious and at the same time his answer to my question on moth was completely off-topic. Overall his ISO has not exactly been a good look to me as someone who has plenty of past experience with them.
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I guess since I’ve attempted to out Miu, it’s only fair that I out my own identity. I am iaafr.
I was hesitant to reveal of my own accord day 1 because my last game with moms meatloaf was a rather hostile experience from both ends.
Speaking of which, could you inform me what exactly were your views on Percy from yesterday’s EoD?
I pretty much knew you were iaafr as your posting style is pretty obvious, but I can usually lock-town you d1 and unfortunately I haven’t been seeing the same energy I usually see from you when you village, so I do have my concerns with you atp.
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I think a direct meta comparison on Percy is rather tone-deaf considering he is transparently demotivated and disengaged due to real life issues this game.
Fair enough, which is why I want to focus on him today.
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But I could see the case.
If I’m barking up the wrong tree on multiple accounts, perhaps something like Duk3star/Percy/Fuggles. I don’t know.
Disagree on Fuggles as his earlier posts looked way too ballsy for a wolf and his tone has been quite pure so far. I still have concerns on Duk3 due to his odd switch to GG from Wiggles while contradicting his earlier reads and him heavily defending Wisdom.
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My energy is capped in light games for both the obvious reason of the postcount limit and the slightly less obvious reason of low activity from others. Like I mentioned near EOD, the fact that very few players were acknowledging my thoughts at all was not good for the motivation.
What are your current thoughts on duk3star?
Considering the other games I’ve played with you were not capped then this reasoning checks out.
Originally I thought that Duk3 defending Wisdom felt villagery over him being direct rather than indirect, however he’s pretty much fallen in my PoE lately because his EoD felt self-contradicting, more specifically him having a complete flip on GG purely because of her “I’m caught” comment.
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I was hoping I would get votes for my pop-in. What a shame.
You guys are lucky, i literally can’t just screech like a dying whale this game
I can only post 47 more times.Also i ain’t answering that question, you should know the answer for yourself by now lol
You seem like a fun person to thunderdome, would you like to clog up the thread with me?
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I was hoping I would get votes for my pop-in. What a shame.
You guys are lucky, i literally can’t just screech like a dying whale this game
I can only post 47 more times.Also i ain’t answering that question, you should know the answer for yourself by now lol
You seem like a fun person to thunderdome, would you like to clog up the thread with me?
##Vote Marluxion
I cant because i can only post 46 more times and i’m savin’ em bud
Did you just call me bud? Are you trying to pocket me?
Welp. I was going to say that all scum are amongst you four but that wasn’t possible so I settled for that. Regardless, it seems as if you and I are playing with different meta-reads and I’m guessing that’s because of you have a TMI-perspective.
On an unrelated note, you probably shouldn’t tell the players you’re meta reading what you’re looking for in their behavior.
Had a pretty decent town-lean him from the start over the bolded. Overall I’m liking his IDGAF attitude so far.
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I’ve liked wiggles’ posts d2 (just did a quick ISO skim), but they’re not out of his bussing range. Duk3 looks horrible by multiple accounts; wiggles has ruthlessly bussed before (notably Baudib in Sonic Adventure 3/21 on day 1). But we’ll get there when we get there.
Tonal-wise I think he’s probably town as well sans his votes in mind. His entire response to Marl looks like a villager annoyed that he’s being tunneled by their townread.
Still thinking that if my suspicion on Percy is true than that should pretty much lockclear Wiggles being that Percy self-pres’d onto him rather than a flipped V despite Wiggles being in actualy danger of being lynched.
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Maybe Suspicious after all actually.
Heh. I bet this post is gonna make people paranoid I’m playing up my own iaafr-ness.
Heheheh.
I’m a wolf.
…why am I am townreading this post?
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I am most excited to play with @Duk3star, rest of you are cool too i guess.
I hope you had a wonderful wedding my dude. I am excited to play with you as well. Missed having my daily dose of wiggles.
These were my notes before that claim tilted me
fuggles awkwardly towny
aisaka cutely towny. Duke you’re gonna need to explain why they are your highest scum read to me, they seem super real to me.Suspicious forced posts, seems wolfy.
Thought moms meatloaf was kinda scummy, being moth makes sense, guy posts weird, could still be bad guy.
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moms meatloaf
SuspiciousThat’s my poe for now, scummiest at the bottom, no real reason for duk3 there, just not an opinion on him yet.
Wolfy posts
I always wanted a trip to outer space.
So… thank you for starting my adventure for me!
Ya it’s been 7 hours.
The fact that names like duk3star and wiggles are being bandied about for a lynch is ludicrous. I don’t care if they become more obvious later, they’re obviously acting Wolfy and afraid to post now, hang them.
##Vote garden gnome
My wife just got out of the shower, we are going to make love and then I am going to sleep. I will not be posting. Don’t make a stupid lynch.
Wighles lynch is interesting.
Yo,
Wiggle’s patience with your “push” is insane. You’ve been asking pointed questions and answering before he gets a chance too and then adding your interpretation onto his post.
Wiggles hasn’t been towny but you aren’t giving him a fair shake at all.
We’re reading this game completely different.
Here’s a collection of quotes that give me w/w vibes between duk3star and wiggles. Their treatment of each other is kind of strange from both ends.
I felt Duke’s treatment of Wiggles is wolfy for sure. I think it’s possible Duke tried to save Wiggles. When I read Wiggles though, he seems to be approaching the game townie.
I’d be open to re-evaluating Wiggles due to a Duke wolf flip though.
wiggles plays scum similarly to me: TMI and townside as much as possible while still keeping village mislynches open. His game so far fits that profile, as far as I can tell.
How does Wiggles usually bus? The only wolf game I’ve played with him was when he was a SK, so yeah.
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@Miu Iruma Where does Percy stand in your reads? If you’re so confident over this, I’m unsure as to why you’re holding back on your vote.
Right now? I’m more sure of him being a coasting wolf at this point. I tried giving him some more time to see if he would show a more fluid though process and having to see if there are any changes in confidence right now, but so far nothing
I’m trying to look more into his stances and it’s not really a good look. Currently his major two suspicions here were both Wisdom and I, both of us who pushed him.
This post is kind of damning as it’s pretty much in-line with his posts in those games I’ve mentioned where he just dances around the subject rather than making a confident push on it.
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not sure honestly
i was just pondering the possibility of all 3 wolves being piled on duke right nowit kinda seems a bit outrageous but i can see wiggles, aisaka and wisdom as a scumteam
@Marluxion: I note that seem convinced the Wiggles is a Wolf. Could you please explain to me my friend how you came to that conclusion? It seems a point of difference between us that I’d like to explore. From my experience of him, he doesn’t feel Wolfy this game but I’m interested in your perspective.
it isn’t really meta related at all
it was the awkward shifts of wagons at eod yesterdayOK. So how in your view did the vote shifts last EoD implicate Dukie as a Wolf? I’m open to considering your perspective on this. From more of a meta-point of view, he seems to be posting a lot less than he normally does as Town but I kinda put that down to him being a Dad - I have it on good authority that it’s a pretty tough gig…
For the last part? Dunno. It’s kind of meta for me to only vote in the last third or so of the day.
Kind satisfied with a Percy lynch right now.##Vote Percy
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@Miu Iruma would like to know your perspectives currently.
Where are you standing on Percy?
Right now? Wiggles basically claimed a PR so quite sure he isn’t lying. For the most confident TRs I have Wisdom/Marl/WWS. Thinking iaafr has basically villaged up this day and they’re a close second. Fuggles and you are roughly nullish V and nullish W respectively. Most confident suspects aorn are Percy for the above-mentioned case and Duke over his EoD yesterday.
Stance on Percy is basically the same as I said before. I decided to give him this day to see if I could find him and this was just due to IRL issues, but so far I’m leaning on my original read being more likely right than not.
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I wanna solve Percy first, tbh. From my past play with him I don’t think he’s likely to flip town here.
Since GG flipped V then if Percy flips W then this pretty much should clear wiggles.
I wonder if you’d care to elaborate on that my friend? What experience is that precisely and on what grounds do you draw that conclusion? I can’t wait for morning…
I’ve played with you several times on my main account and I always manage to find you if you’re a villager. I’d like to know how you came to your conclusion as V!Percy always has a very fluid progression on his read which I’m not seeing here.
@Miu Iruma: Intriguing. You have me at somewhat of a disadvantage. You are either mistaken or making mischievous and Machievellian observation because your read is not accurate. If we’ve played together before, under what Username do I know you? I’d also like to see some evidence (any evidence) of your assertion that as a Townie, my reads are “always very fluid”. Thanks.
As Marl has said, I’m Alice Liddell. I’m sorry, but I’m just not finding V!Percy in you. I’ve been asking you for reads and thoughts and they’ve been quite lackluster.
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Well $#@! me. I just read this half way through my last post and I don’t know what this means more than Percy clearly not being cleared anymore.
##Vote Percy
Why this vote with that post linked?
I could have voted Percy in the post before that one, but I thought it would be messy. The only freebie I gave Percy was that he wouldn’t have nk’d Michelle. And he couldn’t have. Wigg did.
It wasn’t only me thinking that Mich was obv town and Meatloaf wasn’t.
They both were town. It is just odd how you said it like it was a fact.
It sounds as if I’m using the word “given” wrong. What I meant was: “If Mich was the one getting nk’d”. I’m sorry that my English isn’t top notch.
I should probably push Susp harder but I’d still prefer a less active scum read to get lynched before a more active is, in case I’m wrong. Need to re-read a lot of stuff anyway.
I think Percy feels like town. His posting is within his town meta.
Why Suspicion specifically?I’d say his posting is within his scum meta, although I’ve only played two games with him this is pretty similar to the one where he scummed. Quite a bit below the radar, really careful giving reads. When I saw him as town he interacted a lot more with people.
@Wisdom: If I had the time, I’d look closer into this statement because I don’t think analysis bears that out.
Disagree here I think their analysis on your past posting d1 was on point and comes from a villager thought process rather than a wolf’s one.
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@WaywardSon: Once again, I sense that you’re not yourself this game. Recent experience has proven to me that my perceptions of your shifting moods are completely NAI. Still, I am concerned at what I see as an increasing ‘tenseness’ in your posting in these games from a purely personal perspective.
Can you describe this tenseness? Don’t think I’m seeing much difference from WWS’s tone here and in other games. His tone reminds me more about his usual town game then what I’ve seen from his play in Bone Mafia.
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I’m happy to accept Wiggle’s Vig claim. I was already Town-leaning on him and it gives me some satisfaction that I can now read him well.
I’m kinda satisfied reading WaywardSon as Town too for now. What I’m seeing here in his posting seems similar to what I’ve experienced from Town-WaywardSon recently (although it still concerns me on a non-game related level.
I commented yesterday (in respect of Moth/brainbomb/Mom’s Meatloaf) that him reaching his posting cap early was not alignment indicative based on my extensive experience of him but that kinda applies to him alone. I’d view anyone else doing that with some suspicion (i.e. Aisaka Misuzu).
I felt good about Dukie early on but his posting this game isn’t his normal Town game. I’m going to wait a little longer to here from him before I choose my vote today. I hope he can convince me of his Townie credentials.
I’ll confess, I was suspicious of Fuggles early this game but I can’t really see anything in his play since that doesn’t look pretty transparently Town.
Wisdom: Increasingly, I’m not liking what I’m seeing from him. His last comment before he left about CFDing me sounded like suggesting a mislynch that he could later deny responsibility for.
As for Alice, she’s a VERY capable player and I’m confused about her read of me - I’d expect better of her than to accuse me for the reasons she has. Perhaps, I was wrong in my estimation of her ability, I don’t know.
Suspicious is hard for me to read. It’s kinda like he’s caught in this revolving door between Town and ‘the den’. I think though that his more recent posts today feel more sincere and genuine than they have previously.
I think I want a better explanation on the tone, tbh.
Kind of liking the breadth of the reads here being that I’ve only seen you post such a wide scope of reads as town before. I think iaafr may be correct and I may have misread you due to IRL issues impacting you.
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Well $#@! me. I just read this half way through my last post and I don’t know what this means more than Percy clearly not being cleared anymore.
##Vote Percy
Why this vote with that post linked?
I could have voted Percy in the post before that one, but I thought it would be messy. The only freebie I gave Percy was that he wouldn’t have nk’d Michelle. And he couldn’t have. Wigg did.
It wasn’t only me thinking that Mich was obv town and Meatloaf wasn’t.
They both were town. It is just odd how you said it like it was a fact.
It sounds as if I’m using the word “given” wrong. What I meant was: “If Mich was the one getting nk’d”. I’m sorry that my English isn’t top notch.
I should probably push Susp harder but I’d still prefer a less active scum read to get lynched before a more active is, in case I’m wrong. Need to re-read a lot of stuff anyway.
I think Percy feels like town. His posting is within his town meta.
Why Suspicion specifically?I’d say his posting is within his scum meta, although I’ve only played two games with him this is pretty similar to the one where he scummed. Quite a bit below the radar, really careful giving reads. When I saw him as town he interacted a lot more with people.
@Wisdom: If I had the time, I’d look closer into this statement because I don’t think analysis bears that out.
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@WaywardSon: Once again, I sense that you’re not yourself this game. Recent experience has proven to me that my perceptions of your shifting moods are completely NAI. Still, I am concerned at what I see as an increasing ‘tenseness’ in your posting in these games from a purely personal perspective.
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Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 5 Duk3star wiggles1993 (31), Aisaka Misuzu (51), Fuggles (37), Wisdom (35), WaywardSon (28) 1 Wisdom Marluxion (42) 1 Percy Miu Iruma (17) 1 Aisaka Misuzu Suspicious (39) 2 Not voting Percy (18), Duk3star (11) Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM EDT on Thursday, September 19th, 2019 . There are expired Thu Sep 19 2019 21:01:00 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) remaining.
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Still, if Percy’s a villager then I don’t seem many wolfteams that make sense here unless the wolfteam is a exactly something like Duk3 alongside two of Susp, Fuggles, or Aisaka.
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Kind of liking the breadth of the reads here being that I’ve only seen you post such a wide scope of reads as town before. I think iaafr may be correct and I may have misread you due to IRL issues impacting you.
Alright. I know you townread me. I know you suspect Duke. I’ve seen the reasons for both… I have very little clue where else you stand – could you provide some summaries?
Marl - I’ve played with Marl a lot and this isn’t his wolfgame. He lack the conviction to make such stupidly hard-headed tunnels like he did on Wiggles whenever he wolfs while also he plays more of a backseat approach to wolfing while he was effectively pretty much trying to townlead during his entire Wiggles shitfest.
WWS - Mostly from the emotional response and levels of direct interaction so far. From my past play with him he’s more stoic and dry when he’s a wolf and does not interact with other plays as much, and when he does it’s typically in a less heated environment.
Percy - Originally I was scumreading him due to the lack of original content that he was generating. He has gone up due to his recent posting, most recently #961. Giving him a pass now to his d1 as it can attributed due to IRL reasons.
Wisdom - Mostly from the fluidity coming from their thought processes d1 while also having a very non-performative and comfortable attitude in the thread. Usually as a wolf they’re more awkward and pretty much a crowd pleaser as I’ve seen them in ITA Death Mash or when I personally wolfed with them in Vindicative Veggies.
Aisaka - Pretty much as I’ve said before. D1 I didn’t see the energy that they typically radiate when they’re a villager making reads and pushing while they’ve also lacked their typical villagery paranoia that usually results in them making very quick reads that shift a lot. In general I’m wary of them atp.
Susp - In general I dislike his approach from his walls as they feel like a very indirect and safe manner to appear to gamesolve.
Rn I’ve mostly been focusing on Aisaka/Wisdom/Percy/Marl as I have the most experience with them. Pretty confident on my TRs on Marl and Wisdom, Aisaka and Percy are more of the toss-ups here.
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Man, by the end of the day I’m trying to have fun here. Sorry I guess for making this so unenjoyable.
There’s something I want to check? Do you have any town and scum games off-site that I can read overnight? Much of my SR on you comes from what may be just play-style differences and I’d like to see if this is AI or not.
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Well $#@! me. I just read this half way through my last post and I don’t know what this means more than Percy clearly not being cleared anymore.
##Vote Percy
Why this vote with that post linked?
I could have voted Percy in the post before that one, but I thought it would be messy. The only freebie I gave Percy was that he wouldn’t have nk’d Michelle. And he couldn’t have. Wigg did.
They both were town. It is just odd how you said it like it was a fact.
It sounds as if I’m using the word “given” wrong. What I meant was: “If Mich was the one getting nk’d”. I’m sorry that my English isn’t top notch.
I think Percy feels like town. His posting is within his town meta.
Why Suspicion specifically?I’d say his posting is within his scum meta, although I’ve only played two games with him this is pretty similar to the one where he scummed. Quite a bit below the radar, really careful giving reads. When I saw him as town he interacted a lot more with people.
@Wisdom: If I had the time, I’d look closer into this statement because I don’t think analysis bears that out.
Disagree here I think their analysis on your past posting d1 was on point and comes from a villager thought process rather than a wolf’s one.
@WaywardSon: Once again, I sense that you’re not yourself this game. Recent experience has proven to me that my perceptions of your shifting moods are completely NAI. Still, I am concerned at what I see as an increasing ‘tenseness’ in your posting in these games from a purely personal perspective.
Can you describe this tenseness? Don’t think I’m seeing much difference from WWS’s tone here and in other games. His tone reminds me more about his usual town game then what I’ve seen from his play in Bone Mafia.
I’m happy to accept Wiggle’s Vig claim. I was already Town-leaning on him and it gives me some satisfaction that I can now read him well.
I’m kinda satisfied reading WaywardSon as Town too for now. What I’m seeing here in his posting seems similar to what I’ve experienced from Town-WaywardSon recently (although it still concerns me on a non-game related level.
I commented yesterday (in respect of Moth/brainbomb/Mom’s Meatloaf) that him reaching his posting cap early was not alignment indicative based on my extensive experience of him but that kinda applies to him alone. I’d view anyone else doing that with some suspicion (i.e. Aisaka Misuzu).
I felt good about Dukie early on but his posting this game isn’t his normal Town game. I’m going to wait a little longer to here from him before I choose my vote today. I hope he can convince me of his Townie credentials.
I’ll confess, I was suspicious of Fuggles early this game but I can’t really see anything in his play since that doesn’t look pretty transparently Town.
Wisdom: Increasingly, I’m not liking what I’m seeing from him. His last comment before he left about CFDing me sounded like suggesting a mislynch that he could later deny responsibility for.
As for Alice, she’s a VERY capable player and I’m confused about her read of me - I’d expect better of her than to accuse me for the reasons she has. Perhaps, I was wrong in my estimation of her ability, I don’t know.
Suspicious is hard for me to read. It’s kinda like he’s caught in this revolving door between Town and ‘the den’. I think though that his more recent posts today feel more sincere and genuine than they have previously.
I think I want a better explanation on the tone, tbh.
Kind of liking the breadth of the reads here being that I’ve only seen you post such a wide scope of reads as town before. I think iaafr may be correct and I may have misread you due to IRL issues impacting you.
Could you describe how WWS’ tone feels more tenser than average this match?
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If there are wolves they reside in the last 3 voters on the wagon.
No. The only reason wolves would pile up like that is to save a partner. The ONLY other counterwagon yesterday was wiggles. He has to be mafia. The wagonomics don’t make sense otherwise. Duke is almost certainly paired with him as they both scumread each other and yet duke voted a null over his scumread in the last hour without an explanation. A wolf duke swapping there and going against his own narrative is an unnecessary risk if wiggles isn’t a wolf. Therefore occams razor states that vote this play to be comprehendable, Wiggles MUST be a wolf.
Think you are wrong on wiggles. And there were 3 wagons in play at the EoD. You would know this if you actually read more than just the final one.
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I guess it could be WWS since he quietly hard scumsided at EOD as well. Called the GG/wiggles/Percy wagons w/v/w in response to GG fearing v/v/v.
I’ve suddenly decided the scumteam is Duk3star/wiggles1993/WaywardSon. Let’s. Go.
If Duk3 is a wolf you are 1-3
Re-ISO’ing WWS and the main concerning posts I found was his sudden shift from how he read Wiggles as in going from voting him to lock-towning rather than his tone.
I kind of need an explanation for this as the progression here makes no sense whatsoever.
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No. The only reason wolves would pile up like that is to save a partner. The ONLY other counterwagon yesterday was wiggles. He has to be mafia. The wagonomics don’t make sense otherwise. Duke is almost certainly paired with him as they both scumread each other and yet duke voted a null over his scumread in the last hour without an explanation. A wolf duke swapping there and going against his own narrative is an unnecessary risk if wiggles isn’t a wolf. Therefore occams razor states that vote this play to be comprehendable, Wiggles MUST be a wolf.
Think you are wrong on wiggles. And there were 3 wagons in play at the EoD. You would know this if you actually read more than just the final one.
I guess it could be WWS since he quietly hard scumsided at EOD as well. Called the GG/wiggles/Percy wagons w/v/w in response to GG fearing v/v/v.
I’ve suddenly decided the scumteam is Duk3star/wiggles1993/WaywardSon. Let’s. Go.
If Duk3 is a wolf you are 1-3
Re-ISO’ing WWS and the main concerning posts I found was his sudden shift from how he read Wiggles as in going from voting him to lock-towning rather than his tone.
I kind of need an explanation for this as the progression here makes no sense whatsoever.
You need to reread. I never voted wiggles.
Wait, nvm. That was Michelle that I was thinking about.
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I’m somewhat uneasy with the fact that it looks like nobody’s here at the EoD and that Duke has been a wagon for like most of the day with little resistance.
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I’m somewhat uneasy with the fact that it looks like nobody’s here at the EoD and that Duke has been a wagon for like most of the day with little resistance.
I’m currently rationalizing that DADV doesn’t apply to an empty slot no mafia member would defend even as a buddy. I still kind of sympathize with your paranoid though.
Considering that he isn’t self-pres’ing and everyone is fine with the lynch, I think this may be a bus.
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Since we’re already at MyLo, I’m HC’ing BG so we’ll at least get one more mech-confirmed villa in addition to Wiggles.
With Duk3 flipping V and Percy looking to be more likely in his village meta by now here’s what I’m looking at.
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PercyPretty much leaving Suspicious/Aisaka/Fuggles/Wisdom as the PoE.
Rn I’m thinking that Suspicious always flips wolf here while the other two ones should be in Fuggles/Wisdom/Aisaka.
Thinking Aisaka/Wisdom most likely at this points from re-evaluating both of their interactions with Duk3 and the latter’s interaction with Percy, alongside with the moth NK in mind being that Wiggles outed that Michelle was a town kill.
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alongside with the moth NK in mind being that Wiggles outed that Michelle was a town kill.
Re-reading back moth also had suspicion on Aisaka at the EoD as well as Wisdom. Duk3’s flip as well makes the Wisdom/Aisaka interactions look even worse in hindsight.
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What are your strongest alignment inclinations at this point?
Not enough to go on as of yet, and I don’t want to burn through my post count making weak connections.
Based on current interactions/reactions? Mostly just gut readings. I’m liking meatloaf’s challenges to Gnome and Wisdom; comes across as looking for explanations and clarification rather than finding excuses to make a vote. That and he took his vote off Wisdom when they provided sufficient responses.
I can see where Wisdom is town here, but their initial loose reads post was suspect.
Anything else is too loose to be considered valid. I can’t put much stock in meta here since I have never played with anyone on this site.
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I have had second thoughts on his alignment though. I’d rather stay on Wisdom for now in any case.
Can’t find any post where you bring about an accusation. What’s your reasoning for this case?
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not bad. just reading through your catchup and notes on wisdom.
what did you like about wisdoms stated reasoning for scumreading me?
Sorry if you didn’t want to be outed didn’t think that through.
I have you and wisdom as not w/w atm but I’m leaning more t/t.
I think you did a classic BB tunnel and wisdom isn’t used to it. I like how she is trying to explain mend the divide by clarifying why she gave the meta reads she did.
You’re caught up on a technical definition or RVS and trying to solve from what you feel is a gottem. It happens, lord knows I’ve been on the wrong side of a BB tunnel.
This seems to me where Duk3 gave evidence that he gave the Wisdom case a fair shake and didn’t dismiss it outright. Wouldn’t call it fully lip-service since he opened up with a vote against meatloaf–unless that’s meant to be a red herring of sorts. He gave the situation a solid survey and delivered his thoughts as they came.
I could also read the situation as him TMI-ing Wisdom town because he believes he’d get that read correctly this easily after having just wolfed with them.
It’s still not towny either way. The Michelle suspicion also seems forced.
Oh I’m now TMIing your other mafia read as town?
Also the Michelle read is forced atm because I’m trying not to reveal my suspicion kind of like what you advocated for as a main critique of wisdoms play.
The point is the townread felt unnatural and overconfident for this point. I couldn’t be certain if you were scum, if it was TMI or a powerwolf-a-buddy attempt. But at this point, I could see it as you overestimating your own abilities as town. If you’re town, I still don’t feel as if you’ve actually considered moms meatloaf’s case on Wisdom and are letting your own meta comparison override meatloaf’s case unduly.
Having a hard time finding your stance now. You land with a FoS against Wisdom and Duk3–is that exclusive or do you believe they’re a team?–and now you’re focusing in on Duk3 specifically. But here, you’re pulling back and admitting that Duk3 may actually be town? Which is it?
That combined with a series of one-liner posts that lack much substance and are self-admitted to be reaching, this does indeed end up coming across like a lot of reaching.
Not liking the interactions between Susp/Wisdom as I don’t see Susp taking a solid stance on them so far.
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I’ll do a full on re-evaluation after that one.
Yeah, my top wolfread is now playing to their village meta straight and Duke somehow flipped town, so I’m pretty much re-reading the thread rn.
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Okay, I guess us Europeans are the only ones awake right now, so I’ll make myself a readlist in the meantime while waiting for people to wake up. I also saw Meatloaf is postcapped and I won’t be here for EoD so the only way for her to communicate with me is by Proxy-voting. I can afford dragging out my lunch break after 3 Math-classes in a row without any breaks.
Read list based on memory (don’t have time for ISOing everyone right now)
Aisaka Misuzu - I’ve actually not put any focus on her at all, since she’s mostly been part of the me vs meat loaf- mess.
Duk3star - I’ve got problem with people trusting me so easily that he did when he joined. A smaller scum lean on this one.
Fuggles - I don’t remember why, but he said something that felt very obv. town for me. Gonna check his ISO real quick after this.
Garden Gnome - Yeeeeeaaaaah, no. She hasn’t been active enough for me to remember what she’s said.
Marluxion - My n0.
Michelle - She’s townie. I don’t think I’ve ever seen her as scum in a light game but I’ve problem seeing her fake that tone this much.
Miu Iruma - Don’t know who’s alting here, but as far as I’m concerned she’s townie since she’s solving in the few posts she’s got. However, I really need to see more posts for a better read. At least slightly above null.
moms meatloaf - See basically my whole ISO. Still scum read.
Percy - Hasn’t been around enough for a proper read, (which last time we played together meant he was scum) but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and wait for him to come back. At least his politeness is where it should be.
Suspicious - Also a town lean, feels like he was moving the game forward from the stale gamestate where all talk was about me being scum and he came in like a breath of fresh air, which felt like a pro-town move.
WaywardSon - I really need a lot more to go on to be able to read him. Null.
wiggles1993 - Started off similarly to when he was town in another game we played together. Doesn’t really mean anything I guess, but he feels solvey overall and I’d say it’s a town lean.
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TOWN
MarlMichelle
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Fugg (probably higher when re-checked)
WiggMiu
Percy
Aisaka
Garden Gnome
WWSDuk3
Meat loaf
SCUMThis is a hedge-y mess. Pretty much loathing the fact that they don’t have any opinion on the Aisaka argument despite their involvement in that argument.
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the wagons i’ve been pushing have been mostly ignored and as a result we have yet to lynch any wolves
…you were pushing on the vig for much of the game…
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Duk3star and Suspicious are scum. Remember this, please.
This game has been not been particularly fun to play in because of the low amount of acknowledgement of my thoughts by players in general. But oh well, that’s forum mafia sometimes.
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Duk3star and Suspicious are scum. Remember this, please.
This game has been not been particularly fun to play in because of the low amount of acknowledgement of my thoughts by players in general. But oh well, that’s forum mafia sometimes.
Really don’t understand your insistence to ignore the time I’ve paid towards reading and following your posts. If that’s what it takes to get your desired conclusion then that’s pretty poor.
I make strong reads, people would call it TMI. If there’s a middle ground, I’m looking for it but I’m struggling to find it. I’m trying to solve this same as everyone else and it’s being discounted as ‘lazy’ in some regard. I’m not trying to safeguard or hedge bets, it takes me time to get the feel of a game; I can’t realistically provide hard truths D1.
I don’t feel like your progression on me ever involved truly wondering about my progression or thinking about my actions from an alignment-indicative perspective.
Your progression was “flip floppy = hard to trust” -> “explained herself better, I feel better. Lean town to null.”
Feels like a scum’s progression. Sorry if wrong.
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I will vote GG in an attempt to save wiggles/percy if I have to. As I’ve already stated, I think GG could easily be scum here. In fact, her recent posting has not been in her townrange, as far as I can tell.
However, I still prefer a Suspicious lynch.
Disliking that Aisaka has repeatedly thrown shade at Suspicious but always ended up in villager wagons without trying to re-eval Duke/GG in detail.
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If you read my ISO, it should be clear why my tier list looks the way it does.
Okay then, let’s check out how those reads went during D1.
The first thing you step up to do is tr Michelle as a power role in #104. Nothing special here; everyone gave Michelle a hard town read. #174 places a FoS on Wisdom and Duk3, but in fairness you admit this is loose, so it’s not as much of a talking point. Too early in the game anyways. You expand that town group to include Suspicious, Wayward, Fuggles, and Meat. After that is #203-204 where decide to relax focus on Duk3 and turn towards Wisdom–only to then in #212 claim Duk3 was buddying Meat with his arguments. You say he’s too verbose, but you had also called him out for brevity. Trying to find anything that pins Duk3 down I guess? And to further contradict yourself, you concede Duk3 could be a town in #227 and they just overestimated their abilities. Does it make sense why this already might seem like a bit of a rollercoaster? Once again, benefit of the doubt since it’s early, but these changes made me uneasy.
And so it continues: #242 it’s back to Duk3 being scum, and now Wisdom somehow moved towards being more of a town-lean–no reasoning here AFAIK. Then comes your really odd reversal against Michelle in #245 and proceeding to vote them #252, and in the same post you add Duk3 to Fuggles and Marl as town reads. What changed at all here that made you suddenly reverse on Michelle–a hard town-read by all accounts–and then give Duk3 a pass instead of continuing to press him? I guess you did decide to press since you promptly in #259 call your current maf team as Duk3/Michelle/Wisdom. So Duk3 is the common thread throughout this, and you’ve since offered more clarity on this position, which I greatly appreciate. But at the same time, you go back-and-forth on him very often, and I don’t understand how Michelle got thrown into the mix here.
#265 the Wisdom suspicion is dropped and they’re now labeled a full villager. You bring Fuggles into the crossfire for being too correct (?) in their assessment and acting as a mediator re: Meat v Wisdom. You don’t pop up again until #429 where you hard townread Meat–predictable, you had been against Wisdom and favored Meat’s perspective in the argument–but you also decide Michelle is hard town again. The reasoning here is they have a natural thought process and gave thoughts that didn’t go anywhere–how is that a positive here and an negative elsewhere? #434-435 is when you bring your case against me and label me a lock-scum alongside wiggles, while also keeping suspicion on Fuggles–no reasoning provided there–and returning to hold a vote on Duk3. Your ‘gun to head’ maf team turns into #437 where you place Duk3, Wiggles, and Fuggles. You’re zeroing in on Wiggles here because of their overreaction to your weird claim/fakeclaim play that came out of left field. You preface by saying people should vote for you if they truly suspect you, but they also shouldn’t do that since they’re town and I guess if they do vote for you they’re maf. No-win situation for anyone wanting to press you.
Then we get #521 where Duk3 is once again left off the hook, and you turn to me because, per your reasoning, I didn’t support my conclusions and my vote on wiggles was lazy–this disregarding the fact you suspected Wiggles at this point. And that also disregards that this idea of thoughts going nowhere was used by you to clear Michelle as town. Yet in my case you decide that it’s scummy. No, that’s you fishing for an excuse to bring me into lynch consideration. You use very nearly the same language in #559 when you declare my thoughts are for show and don’t go anywhere.
You once again pull a reversal on a scum play by considering Wiggles town in #531; why are they no longer your ‘gun to head’ suspicion? You used strong wording and then back up on your words without any precedence. #540 is when you fully commit to me as essentially your #1 lynch target, but your reasoning here is either weak or nonexistent–which is true for basically all the reads you’ve made during that period. And yet another member of that ‘gun to head’ team, Fuggles, is suddenly supported by you and cleared. No reasoning applied.
#550 you claim to have townread wiggles. I can’t find anything about why you would reach this conclusion, and I would like to have you walk me through this. And by the day’s end, both Fuggles and Wiggles have become townreads.
I don’t mean to be blunt, but you’ve had a lot of noise and a lot of inconsistency. You’ve got my confidence to start D2; you’ve settled into a clear line against Duk3 and Wiggles and your thought process has become much easier to follow. You do oddly admit in #785 that there’s a world where Duk3 is villager–I’d like to get more on this thread. I can see what you’ve done as just reaching out to get anything and get all the reactions you can, I respect that, but it also doesn’t illicit much confidence.
Either way, you’re not my target here, and I’m invested on seeing a wiggles flip. I’d scum-lean Duk3 because of the various contradictions in their play, and their bullet-point style of posting isn’t helping to clarify things. Fuggles looks bad in the light of Gnome’s flip for advocating the policy lynch; you also claim I made strong reasoning in later posts in #418, only to promptly do an about-face and in #439 suspect me for having weak reasoning. Which is it?
Unsure on Wisdom, but my ISO building on them is currently weak. Would place them in my scum-lean list, with Wiggles, Fuggles, Duk3. Aisaka null, but a very volatile null.
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Gonna collapse into a pillow, will investigate into Wisdom when the sun rises.
Hopefully Aisaka didn’t burn all their posts since I would like for them to respond here.
Passing though: Miu’s take on Percy is well thought-out and researched, seems hard to fake from scum perspective. Hard to deny that they’re kinda drifting through this game without really making any strong stance or posting with much volume.
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This Susp vs Aisaka wall-war is actually making me lean scum on Susp (earlier town read) and town on Aisaka (earlier null).
Reason is that Susp seems to put so much time into something that would be a typical scummy trait, which really is what scum wants to focus on. Aisaka on the other hand have a lot of wim and I have an easier time than normal to follow her train of thoughts. Maybe I’m getting used to her way of playing, but for me it’s getting more and more obvious that she’s town. Mostly because of how transparent she is with her thoughts, she obviously don’t have an agenda.
Not sure I can say the same about Susp.
I believe it’s Duk3/Wigg/Susp now.
Kinda really thinking it’s Susp/Wisdom/??? by now. Wisdom’s train of thought here regading swapping Percy and Susp doesn’t feel that natural and for Susp to repeatedly have no real thoughts of Wisdom at this point in the game doesn’t feel right.
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I’ll do a full on re-evaluation after that one.
Yeah, my top wolfread is now playing to their village meta straight and Duke somehow flipped town, so I’m pretty much re-reading the thread rn.
You’ll eventually reach the point where I explain why I believed the Duk3 lynch was a bad idea and was another convenient out for the mafia since he decided to put up no defense. Your only notable stance was against Percy, which you took only after being prompted , and it basically reads like maf not wanting to stack Duk3. I have no doubt 2/3 maf were on that wagon and one stayed distanced, that being you considering your fakeclaim.
I take a very solid stance on Wisdom; I implicate them as a top pick for my scum team.
You’re taking me out of context or just picking and choosing what you like from my posts to start hedging a lynch against me, which isn’t hard since I’m doubtlessly the easiest target and the town has me as a POE lock.
##Vote Miu Iruma
Bold one’s a flat out lie. I’ve been considering Wisdom/WWS/Marluxion all as strong villagers until I re-evaluated yesterday due to Percy pulling a 180 on his posting history and Duk3 flipping V while I’ve also had you/Duk3/Percy as wolfreads until Duk3 flipped V and Percy also became villagery by EoD2.
Italicized is a blatant contradiction in regards to your ISO being that you’ve been repeatedly posting wishy-washy statements in regards to them without any pushes on them at all.
Second bolded is a what? As I said above you were my top scumread outisde of Percy/Duk3 from both before and after I re-evaluated after EoD2. I’ve repeatedly mentioned that I absolutely abhored the lack of direct interaction in your ISO and that that did not changed after the re-evaluation. In fact, it made it worse due to your interactions with Wisdom.
##Vote Suspicious
September 20th, 2019, 09:34 AM[Toggle Quotes](javascript:void(0)) Bookmark ISO #1045
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I got paranoid and second-guessed myself N1 and ended up protecting Aisaka. In hindsight, it was incredibly stupid of me; I repeated multiple times Michelle had been made a locktown. No shit the maf decided to remove a player that gave the town a free clear.
Wiggle’s claim should have cleared Duk3 and his lack of defense for himself sealed his lynch. Couldn’t do much to help there.
Aisaka flips wolf here as well, but Miu’s fakeclaim is blatant. They’re only just now mobilizing themselves despite keeping their heads down low for the entire game. You’ve got one solid suspicion on Percy, who coincidentally like Duk3 and Gnome poses as a free lynch should you choose to use it.
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*Michelle was vig shot, forgot. Either way that’s where I should have been and I wasn’t. Another misplay I made, but the game gets solved here.
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Quoted for possible future reference (noted these were Day 1 reads but reads nonetheless)
Summary
TOWN
MarlMichelle
Susp
Fugg (probably higher when re-checked)
WiggMiu
Percy
Aisaka
Garden Gnome
WWSDuk3
Meat loaf
SCUM
Okay, so obviously my world isn’t working out here. I was staring to suspect a WWS/Miu/Susp world.
Back to the drawing board.
Here’s what we know:
We are 8 players left, bringing us to MyLo.
These players are:
Myself
Fuggles
Aisaka
Marluxion
Miu
Suspicious
Percy
WigglesSo. I need to find a team of three here. I have problems finding combos but maybe I will due to PoE.
I’m out of the picture. I’m town.
Wiggles is out of the picture. He’s vig.
Miu is out of the picture. She’s BG.
Leaving 5 people. Marl, Fugg, Aisaka, Percy and Suspicious.
Let’s start with Aisaka .
I’m really really really having trouble seeing him scum this game. Each and every post coming from him either fits with his town meta or seems super genuine. I’m hoping he will cheer up, because the EoD post yesterday was heart breaking. In no worlds do I believe he’s scum.
Same kinda goes with Fugg. I haven’t played with him before but his feelings are transparent and his thought process is really easy to follow. I miiiight be wrong on this one but I doubt it.
Then we only have three left: Marl, Susp and Percy.
I’ve town read Marl based on basically just wim, but looking back on his ISO everything feel kinda vague. I’ve got no problem seeing him being one of the final three. He also haven’t interacted with Suspicious, nor have he given any reads on either Suspicious or Percy. His interaction with Percy is very light and NAI. The combo works.
Suspicious. I was starting to give him the benefit of the doubt since he seemed frustrated like Aisaka and he’s put a lot of time into this game. But, it isn’t rare for scum being the most active and if he’s scum he feels like a solo player. Also, I didn’t feel that the dispute between him and Aisaka was t/t, during that discussion Suspicious said a lot of things about me that didn’t make sense or was misrepresenting and I know others felt the same way. Disconnection like this is a scummy trait. Him being scum makes sense.
Percy. Oh dear, Percy. He posted #970 and it’s the towniest post I’ve ever seen him post (in our three games together). When I read it catching up I thought I was being wrong on him this whole time and I started building that WWS/Aisaka world instead. But I have to say him cursing on #984 really pinged me, because I’ve never seen him do that before and dropping his politeness like that is what I’ve regarded as his scum meta. So he might still be scum, but I’m not as confident in him anymore and seeing how we’re in MyLo I’d rather go for Marl/Susp first.
@Wisdom: I accept that the difference between these two posts is not necessarily indicative of your alignment in and of itself but what do you think I should read into the fact that you now Wolf read your strongest Town read of Day 1? Do you think I should be concerned that the entire bottom half of your Day 1 reads list (with the exception of Aisaka and Miu) are now all confirmed Town?
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I don’t believe you post and then check the nk.
Also we aren’t killing a bodyguard claim today. Bodyguards have a chance to get themselves killed at night in f5 the night after I die
This seems like a commonsense approach to me today. I’ve only seen anything like this happen once before and the second claim was the Wolf. If I remember correctly, the Town believed the second claim and lynched their Cop. I’m not seeing a conclusive case to support either claim (if someone else can, please point it out). In the absence of that however, I’m happy to follow Wiggle’s advice for now.
Kind of checked his posts today, and he’s kind of looking back to his wolf meta of not taking solid stances on Wisdom nor in the conflict between me and Susp. Having a hard time seeing Wisdom/Percy together as wolfmates and the entire consensus on Wisdom being a wolf here may point to Percy being the wolf in the pairing considering that Wisdom looks to actually be trying in a MyLo scenario while Percy’s coasting, tbh.
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Also. I’ve seen Alice scum twice, both from scum and from town PoV. She’s low wim on the verge of giving up as scum. I can’t see scum!Alice fake claim bodyguard.
Depends on the situation. VV I had to take a flight D2 and that’s what caused bear to lynch me and I had to sub out of Wandering Wolf due to medical issues. Here I’m kind of sporadically posting due to IRL issues as well so WIM/activity is NAI for me.
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Quoted for possible future reference (noted these were Day 1 reads but reads nonetheless)
Summary
TOWN
MarlMichelle
Susp
Fugg (probably higher when re-checked)
WiggMiu
Percy
Aisaka
Garden Gnome
WWSDuk3
Meat loaf
SCUM
Okay, so obviously my world isn’t working out here. I was staring to suspect a WWS/Miu/Susp world.
Back to the drawing board.
Here’s what we know:
We are 8 players left, bringing us to MyLo.
These players are:
Myself
Fuggles
Aisaka
Marluxion
Miu
Suspicious
Percy
WigglesSo. I need to find a team of three here. I have problems finding combos but maybe I will due to PoE.
I’m out of the picture. I’m town.
Wiggles is out of the picture. He’s vig.
Miu is out of the picture. She’s BG.
Leaving 5 people. Marl, Fugg, Aisaka, Percy and Suspicious.
Let’s start with Aisaka .
I’m really really really having trouble seeing him scum this game. Each and every post coming from him either fits with his town meta or seems super genuine. I’m hoping he will cheer up, because the EoD post yesterday was heart breaking. In no worlds do I believe he’s scum.
Same kinda goes with Fugg. I haven’t played with him before but his feelings are transparent and his thought process is really easy to follow. I miiiight be wrong on this one but I doubt it.
Then we only have three left: Marl, Susp and Percy.
I’ve town read Marl based on basically just wim, but looking back on his ISO everything feel kinda vague. I’ve got no problem seeing him being one of the final three. He also haven’t interacted with Suspicious, nor have he given any reads on either Suspicious or Percy. His interaction with Percy is very light and NAI. The combo works.
Suspicious. I was starting to give him the benefit of the doubt since he seemed frustrated like Aisaka and he’s put a lot of time into this game. But, it isn’t rare for scum being the most active and if he’s scum he feels like a solo player. Also, I didn’t feel that the dispute between him and Aisaka was t/t, during that discussion Suspicious said a lot of things about me that didn’t make sense or was misrepresenting and I know others felt the same way. Disconnection like this is a scummy trait. Him being scum makes sense.
Percy. Oh dear, Percy. He posted #970 and it’s the towniest post I’ve ever seen him post (in our three games together). When I read it catching up I thought I was being wrong on him this whole time and I started building that WWS/Aisaka world instead. But I have to say him cursing on #984 really pinged me, because I’ve never seen him do that before and dropping his politeness like that is what I’ve regarded as his scum meta. So he might still be scum, but I’m not as confident in him anymore and seeing how we’re in MyLo I’d rather go for Marl/Susp first.
@Wisdom: I accept that the difference between these two posts is not necessarily indicative of your alignment in and of itself but what do you think I should read into the fact that you now Wolf read your strongest Town read of Day 1? Do you think I should be concerned that the entire bottom half of your Day 1 reads list (with the exception of Aisaka and Miu) are now all confirmed Town?
I don’t believe you post and then check the nk.
Also we aren’t killing a bodyguard claim today. Bodyguards have a chance to get themselves killed at night in f5 the night after I die
This seems like a commonsense approach to me today. I’ve only seen anything like this happen once before and the second claim was the Wolf. If I remember correctly, the Town believed the second claim and lynched their Cop. I’m not seeing a conclusive case to support either claim (if someone else can, please point it out). In the absence of that however, I’m happy to follow Wiggle’s advice for now.
Kind of checked his posts today, and he’s kind of looking back to his wolf meta of not taking solid stances on Wisdom nor in the conflict between me and Susp. Having a hard time seeing Wisdom/Percy together as wolfmates and the entire consensus on Wisdom being a wolf here may point to Percy being the wolf in the pairing considering that Wisdom looks to actually be trying in a MyLo scenario while Percy’s coasting, tbh.
#1194 looks terrible in context as it’s effectively Percy stating the obvious in the middle of a semi-heated discussion between Aisaka/Fuggles. Thinking we should just go to Percy today as the microread on his EoD2 post isn’t compensating the remainder of his ISO.
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looking at that vc, we are so fucked
Kind of thinking Percy may be the safest lynch for today outside of Susp FMPoV.
I don’t really see this kind of attitude coming from a villager at MyLo.
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Rn I’m pretty much at Suspicious+Percy/Wisdom+Fuggles/Aisaka. Strongly leaning on Percy over Wisdom from how the day has been so far and likely Aisaka over Fuggles.
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##Vote wiggles1993
The discord invite link to scumchat to that September Light Game has been deactivated sadly so I cannot provide that.
I am done compiling ISO’s to Alice’s past games. That should be enough. Color Wheel and the September Light game are both her most recent bastard-less scum games.
Vulgard ISO to this point, ~280 posts:
This is in chronological order from
Why are you directing the thread’s discussion and making an read in your first post? This isn’t natural.
It’s a pre-meditated first post. Rather than allow reads to gather on yourself you immediately direct the attention away.
I disagree with these posts. Don’t know why a wallpost would ever give a scumread. It includes information (usually) which is why it most likely comes from town. Can’t see an apologetic tone. The only thing I see scummy about Vulgard in this post is
He feels the need to justify that he’s honest, it’s also open to interpretation (he can change it at any time using that word, he’s making it appear he isn’t sure).
Also this
He’s making it appear as though he’s writing it in the moment and it has not been pre-written. No need for this sentence.
All of these things are slightly anti-town however it has a tendency to come from town which is why I disagree with that post. It’s just something that should not be said in the future.
This was completely unneeded and throws shade.
GRAMMAR POLICE, OPEN UP!
I agree. I think that post was completely made out of opportunism. Icibalus is mafia and Vulgard is town from this interaction.
Why are they in their villager meta?
End of Icibalus v Vulgard - Hja overseer
I KNEW I WAS GETTING MISLYNCHED BY SCUM
IKNEWIKNEWIKNEWIKNEWIKNEW
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yes this is my post I’m catching up
Unless you wanted it at the very bottom below the line?
In which case
GRAMMAR POLICE, OPEN UP!
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I think my brain just collapsed from the sheer wtf of this
It literally said so in the title of the thread during n1