[VFM] Poisonous Mafia - (3/17) - Completed

Meh I guess but looking at VCA in isolation is unlikely to net much reward compared to looking at everything combined in my opinion.

The wolf poisoner is still alive. This isnā€™t MyLo. Itā€™s LyLo if Sulit is town. We canā€™t afford to NL or lynch a poisoned player.

So hereā€™s who weā€™ll have at the end of the day considering that Sulit isnā€™t acting as a poisoned wolf and Iā€™m town.

Emilia
Arete
Marshall
Crich
Derps
Hippo

If we no lynch or lynch me, then weā€™ll be at 4-2 at the EoD. 1 will be NKā€™d, 1 will be poisoned. After then itā€™ll be 3-2 with one dying at the EoD, and even if we lynch a wolf, going into the night weā€™ll go 3-1, with one dying to the poison and the other dying to the NK. Weā€™ll end up losing as theyā€™ll be able to reach parity just with the KPN alone.

If we lynch today and hit the poisoner then weā€™ll end up with 3-1 tomorrow, NL, and then F3 LyLo. If we lynch today and hit the rolecop then weā€™ll be 3-1 tomorrow with 1 dying at the EoD, which would be F4 LyLo.

Wolves will be able to poison an additional player overnight, and theyā€™ll die at the EoD tomorrow, so at the EoD tomorrow in this scenario itā€™ll be 2-1 if we lynch a wolf. With the NK and then theyā€™ll achieve parity.

are your numbers counting the fact that town has a backup poisoner?

Statistically thereā€™s a 50-50 chance that the backup poisoner is dead. Neither Sulit or I are the poisoner as weā€™d have outed it by now. So it must be within either the 4 non-poisoned villagers alive, or in either Italy, Squid, Vulgard, N.1.

the backup poisoner is not dead

I acknowledge that claiming here is a really bad play but I kind of already slipped it, so

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does that change the calculus here in any way

Then this should work. Weā€™ll still have to poison one wolf and then lynch the other.

Plus Iā€™d imagine that this should lock you town beyond all belief as a wolf wouldnā€™t have done something so risky as this may have gotten you CCā€™d.

Arete/Marshall/Emilia/Derps/Richard/Hippo will be the remaining players.

You will prolly get NKā€™d and Marshall will probably get poisoned, so

Which means that in the end weā€™ll have to find the 2 wolves in Emilia/Derps/Hippo/Richard.

Who are you planning to poison here?

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VCA-wise Iā€™m pretty sure Marshall is clear.

Emilia is also very solid here considering that they wouldnā€™t have killed Vulgard and the volume of their posts have been pretty steady.

So rn itā€™s basically find the villager in Derps/Hippo/Richard and you should be good.

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the problem Iā€™m having right now is like

everyone has done something villagery

Hippo is probably the one Iā€™m least confident on?

why did I have to rand backup poisoner, apart from Amelia my reads this game havenā€™t been particularly good

as in I have the least reason to think heā€™s a villager

Same here. Vulgard basically was killed right when he started suspecting Hippo D2 AFAIK.

I think VCA-wise this points to Hippo/CRich being that Hippo as well as Eevee was pushing Derps. But the issue here is that CRich was also pushing VCA hard which would have gotten Hippo to get killed.

Hmmmā€¦ has CRich ever pushed Hippo?

FTR, Hippo is known to be a heavy busser as well.

heā€™s been pushing fairly hard on Hippo

heā€™s treating Italy and Hippo almost the exact same way which feels kind of weird if heā€™s a wolf partnered with Hippo (given Italy being a villager)

He hasnā€™t really pushed that hard on Hippo. He wasnā€™t casing him or advocating for his lynch. He basically started out by pushing for Hippo then swapped to Hippo/Italy, then allowed Italy to be lynched.

he did land on Italy by EoD

Though. The issue here is would scum seriously bus this hard? Both the goons are dead so weā€™re basically thinking of a world where the Poisoner and RC are pushing each other. I think this makes Derps look better as if both Hippo and Eevee were really pushing him early and Hippo is a wolf then this would mean that the wolves may be pushing their own RC/ or Poisoner, which makes no sense.

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