[VFM] Poisonous Mafia - (3/17) - Completed

Meh I guess but looking at VCA in isolation is unlikely to net much reward compared to looking at everything combined in my opinion.

The wolf poisoner is still alive. This isn’t MyLo. It’s LyLo if Sulit is town. We can’t afford to NL or lynch a poisoned player.

So here’s who we’ll have at the end of the day considering that Sulit isn’t acting as a poisoned wolf and I’m town.

Emilia
Arete
Marshall
Crich
Derps
Hippo

If we no lynch or lynch me, then we’ll be at 4-2 at the EoD. 1 will be NK’d, 1 will be poisoned. After then it’ll be 3-2 with one dying at the EoD, and even if we lynch a wolf, going into the night we’ll go 3-1, with one dying to the poison and the other dying to the NK. We’ll end up losing as they’ll be able to reach parity just with the KPN alone.

If we lynch today and hit the poisoner then we’ll end up with 3-1 tomorrow, NL, and then F3 LyLo. If we lynch today and hit the rolecop then we’ll be 3-1 tomorrow with 1 dying at the EoD, which would be F4 LyLo.

Wolves will be able to poison an additional player overnight, and they’ll die at the EoD tomorrow, so at the EoD tomorrow in this scenario it’ll be 2-1 if we lynch a wolf. With the NK and then they’ll achieve parity.

are your numbers counting the fact that town has a backup poisoner?

Statistically there’s a 50-50 chance that the backup poisoner is dead. Neither Sulit or I are the poisoner as we’d have outed it by now. So it must be within either the 4 non-poisoned villagers alive, or in either Italy, Squid, Vulgard, N.1.

the backup poisoner is not dead

I acknowledge that claiming here is a really bad play but I kind of already slipped it, so

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does that change the calculus here in any way

Then this should work. We’ll still have to poison one wolf and then lynch the other.

Plus I’d imagine that this should lock you town beyond all belief as a wolf wouldn’t have done something so risky as this may have gotten you CC’d.

Arete/Marshall/Emilia/Derps/Richard/Hippo will be the remaining players.

You will prolly get NK’d and Marshall will probably get poisoned, so

Which means that in the end we’ll have to find the 2 wolves in Emilia/Derps/Hippo/Richard.

Who are you planning to poison here?

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VCA-wise I’m pretty sure Marshall is clear.

Emilia is also very solid here considering that they wouldn’t have killed Vulgard and the volume of their posts have been pretty steady.

So rn it’s basically find the villager in Derps/Hippo/Richard and you should be good.

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the problem I’m having right now is like

everyone has done something villagery

Hippo is probably the one I’m least confident on?

why did I have to rand backup poisoner, apart from Amelia my reads this game haven’t been particularly good

as in I have the least reason to think he’s a villager

Same here. Vulgard basically was killed right when he started suspecting Hippo D2 AFAIK.

I think VCA-wise this points to Hippo/CRich being that Hippo as well as Eevee was pushing Derps. But the issue here is that CRich was also pushing VCA hard which would have gotten Hippo to get killed.

Hmmm… has CRich ever pushed Hippo?

FTR, Hippo is known to be a heavy busser as well.

he’s been pushing fairly hard on Hippo

he’s treating Italy and Hippo almost the exact same way which feels kind of weird if he’s a wolf partnered with Hippo (given Italy being a villager)

He hasn’t really pushed that hard on Hippo. He wasn’t casing him or advocating for his lynch. He basically started out by pushing for Hippo then swapped to Hippo/Italy, then allowed Italy to be lynched.

he did land on Italy by EoD

Though. The issue here is would scum seriously bus this hard? Both the goons are dead so we’re basically thinking of a world where the Poisoner and RC are pushing each other. I think this makes Derps look better as if both Hippo and Eevee were really pushing him early and Hippo is a wolf then this would mean that the wolves may be pushing their own RC/ or Poisoner, which makes no sense.

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