[VFM] Purgatory III: The Reckoning! Finale. Demons Win!

[Zone_Q11]

Oh. No. I initially townread darth.
They tagged me to ISO Mole before he died, and I really did townread them for that.

–but then Anagram pushed their agenda onto me, dictating how I should play the game, and made me scumread them.
Then I saw their agenda on pushing darth, and now I scumread darth for being pushed by Anagram.

darth, if you are town then you are simply unlucky to have been pushed by a dictator.

[Anagram]

We have already made our case.

We’ve been posting all phase, least you can do is… actually read it.

~ Player 2

[Anagram]

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Zone_Q11

Then I saw their agenda on pushing darth, and now I scumread darth for being pushed by Anagram.

Did you notice how darth goes from scum reading Anagram to putting them to top town over how they did the CFD?

[Zone_Q11]

Wow. Apparently I don’t even need to use reverse psychology anymore.

I scumread darth because of Anagram.
Wazza scumread darth because of me.
Trivial scumread darth because ???.
–and you just expressing your scumread on darth because of actual reasons.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I am making damn reads, so if you expect me to read your stuff you have to quote it for me. I want to get this done and I would rather not go through your ISO until I get to reading you

[an_gorta_pratai]

I just finished reading darth’s ISO 2-3 times over

[Zone_Q11]

Yes. Good for you.
Now then, who will you vote?

[Wazza]

@Zone_Q11

Your options would consist of Trivial/an_gorta_pratai/Yawn.

Why did you intentionally miss out Raven?

[Zone_Q11]

185 minutes left.
I wonder who will get CFD’ed this time.

[Zone_Q11]

…? Huh. I must’ve forgotten about them.
–well, I guess that works too.

So, are you going to vote Raven?

[Wazza]

@Zone_Q11

So, are you going to vote them?

nope, I’m just…

not gonna vote.

[Zone_Q11]

Aw… Lying 183 minutes before EoHeaven. How cute your lie is.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I think at the very least Anagram/darth are either t/t or w/w here. I don’t know who I am voting yet

[an_gorta_pratai]

Darth

This is a scum read for me. I think their progression on Anagram is odd to say the least and in my opinion that push on Mole looks like agenda to me. Wazza made a decent case as to why Mole is town and it seems Darth just ignored said case

[Zone_Q11]

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t know who I am voting yet

If you plan to “/novote” like Wazza does, then darth will be sent to heaven because I am supporting Anagram’s agenda.

–but you just scumread darth, so… who will you vote now? Yourself?

[Wazza]

I literally don’t townread anybody at this point.

Ah yes, one second, let me go vote a player after claiming I wouldn’t vote anybody and openwolf.

[Zone_Q11]

@an_gorta_pratai

Wazza made a decent case as to why Mole is town

…you know, technically with Wazza/you/me, we can send Wazza to heaven.

[Zone_Q11]

Lying =/= openwolfing.
It’s just part of the game.

–also, that’s not good.
If you get sent to heaven, then you will have to send a demon to hell, or otherwise Mole’s sacrifice will be for naught.

[Anagram]

@Anagram

We are voting darth today, unless darth themself can convince me someone else is a better choice.
I have extremely high confidence in darth being a villager. Not only that, but if it comes to Judgement Day, I trust their (heh) judgement.
If we live in a world where darth is a wolf, we pretty much have a guaranteed wolf in Raven, as seen in this post:

@Anagram

I’m rather happy with Darth’s recent answer if I’m being honest.

@Anagram

@darth_tabor

Townread: You (see reads list)

Send to heaven: If there’s no one else I’ll go, Anagram should be sent but if they are town is pretty much doomed to silence. My other townlean is Raven, so I guess I’d be okay with sending them, but I’d like to look more closely at their slot before I make that decision.

There is no way I’m sending An_Gorta_Pratai, Trivial, or Zone in this phase

This is a villager.

@Anagram

I’m rather happy with Darth’s recent answer if I’m being honest.

Their posts at EoD yesterday line up with someone who viewed my slot and Mole as W/W, and their consistency in this is hard to fake as a wolf.

@darth_tabor

Reread moleland and they feel like a scumlean instead of a neutral. They haven’t really contributed much, only to make their random opening (still unexplained but assumed RVS) vote and take a neutral stance on anyone else’s opinion. It seems like they don’t have much of their own opinions and are just contradicting others.

Depending on their response to my reads post, I might put them as more of a scumlean than you, but we’ll see.

Thie is before Moleland placed a vote on Wazza. It’s an individual wolfread, free of association. (As in, they weren’t grouping Mole with me at the time)
Then we get into the mindset change, where they view me/Mole as potential W/W, based on his vote.

@darth_tabor

I’m still not sure if you’re higher than Anagram for me yet, you have barely any reads and this reasoning is weak at best. It’s omgus but if you wanted to protect yourself, I would think you’d go for one of the wagons instead.

Ughhhhhh I’m gonna have to reread both of you now

This implies darth thinks there is a reason he didn’t go for one of the main wagons (me/Raven).

@darth_tabor

I’m sorry, but is anyone else not suspicious of the person with no reads negotiating for Anagram’s spot? Especially after their omgus vote? It’s so neutral and I don’t like it

Mole then moves onto Raven, with a naked vote and no progression. (I even pointed out this terrible progression here and it contributed to me voting Mole). This is a roundabout way of saying “does anybody else think Mole might be trying to save Anagram here?”

@darth_tabor

Moleland has barely any opinions in this game and definitely not on Raven. So essentially their vote is to just tie the wagon even though they’ve said before they don’t really like Anagram but will remain neutral

@darth_tabor

You stated that they are posting more than their inactivity in the first 24 hours, but you do realize that the things they post now still do not contribute to scum hunting? There’s no attempt on their part to look for scum, they are just voting Raven because it seems convenient.

If that’s not scummy I don’t know what is

More hints of their thought-process that Mole and I could be W/W and hes trying to save my ass with an opportunistic vote on Raven.

@darth_tabor

I see now that Moleland is clearly the scummier of them and Anagram, but Raven and Zone are my townleans and I’d rather keep them around than Anagram.

Can anyone really give me a reason why we’re all trusting Moleland now? What is this?

It was slightly weird to me that they viewed Mole as scummier than us if they viewed us as potentially W/W. But at the same time its a good look that they don’t just group us together and they still have a focus on individual reads.

@darth_tabor

You say that, but it doesn’t really make sense? At this point there’s not any real case for Moleland being town, but you refuse to vote them because they won’t get lynched? With the current 3 way tie, just 3 votes on Moleland could easily shift the vote count. I know I would rather have Moleland out than the others on the table, and Anagram stated they would be willing to switch if more people were on board, which I understand since they’re on the chopping block right now

Your case for not voting Moleland at this point is weak at best

This looks like a W/W/W read with Wazza now being in the group with me and Mole? Their thought-process on me/Mole is consistent.

Now for the fun shit
The CFD

We vote Mole
Darth votes Mole over us, when we absolutely coulda been the lynch there since our vote was removed from Raven.
Here’s the VC shift, with top wagons being red:

Before CFD

@clonedcheese

VC

Voted	Voters	Votes
Raven	Yawn, Anagram, Moleland, zone_Q11	4/5
Anagram	Raven, Trivial, darth_tabor	3/5
Zone	Wazza, gorta	2/5

After we vote Moleland

@clonedcheese

VC

Voted	Voters	Votes
Raven	Yawn, Moleland, zone_Q11	3/5
Anagram	Raven, Trivial, darth_tabor	3/5
Zone	Wazza, gorta	2/5
Mole	Anagram	1/5

At this point, there are now two wagons tied for top. Us (who we have TMI as being town), and Raven (who could be scum).
So the question is, why Mole over us? We know Mole isn’t a wolf, now. So here are some scenarios:

Raven/Anagram/Mole are V/V/V
In this scenario, Darth voted Mole as a genuine scumread of theirs, and Darth is a villager.
or
Darth is a wolf who decided to push LHF. This is the less likely of the two, as it would be much easier to just stay on us, or move to Raven for a 4/5 wagon, and have a guaranteed townie death here. They coulda sat pretty on our wagon.

Raven/Anagram/Mole are W/V/V
Scenario one includes a town Darth, who voted Mole as a genuine scumread of theirs.

Scenario two has Darth as a wolf with Raven. In this case, Darth moved off of a top wagon and onto a wagon with a single vote, leaving their scumbud as top wagon with 3 votes. Thats dangerous. All they have to do is get a single vote on us and bam, we die there instead of Raven.

The only real world I see w!darth is a world with w!raven, but even then it just… makes so much more sense for darth to be a villager here.

@darth_tabor

I did think about you and Moleland being W/W when they started offering you votes without much reason to get you off the block, but I don’t like to get too much into W/W stuff without more information.

You didn’t have a good view of Moleland, and obviously you voted for them so there wasn’t good feelings there between you two. The only reason I could think that you would place that vote on another scumteam member away from Raven would be if Raven was also scum, so the only possible benefit would be maybe splitting the wagons. At that point I resolved to wait until Moleland flipped.

Obviously this doesn’t help much in retrospect, can’t really link town in the same way you can link scum.

This response fits so perfectly into the narrative of v!darth who genuinely believed I could have been w/w with Mole and Mole was trying to save my ass yesterday.
Its so hard to fake this view as a wolf and stay consistent with it throughout the chaos of an EoD and the madness that is a CFD, and I’m pretty much ready to put darth into my towncore.

I am fine with a darth vote today, but I won’t be voting for quite some time because I’d rather people not sheep votes, and actually attempt to do solving of their own.

~ Player 1

@an_gorta_pratai