VC
| Voted | Voter | Counts |
|---|---|---|
| Zone | Zone | 1/4 |
| Darth | Yawn | 1/4 |
Me and 1 are for darth being the heaven today, at least according to the last time I talked to them.
Iām pretty set on gorta being the last scum, but Iām going to try and ISO darth/gorta/Wazza today anyways before we place a vote.
Good lord. I swear you guys are all just wanting me to be in purgatory for as long as possible.
P2, does P1 also want me to vote darth, or does he think that I will keep voting myself?
FWIW, I wish you good luck and hope it doesnāt take 30 hours.
(Not that it will matter anyway, since it seems to me that you two have muted me.)
Player 1 is in the house. 
Gorta time!
My partner is in a tunnel on this player, so I figured I would take my own look at them and see whatās up.
Opener is NAI.
They have a history of being asked questions and never providing answers.
Half of me feels like a wolf would care more about how they are viewed and would bullshit some reads/answers, but itās become routine and frustrating.
After being pestered by multiple players throughout the course of the game, Iād like to hope a villager would step it up.
He constantly provides useless 1-liners explaining why he was gone, or what hes going to do, rather than doing them. I suppose this isnāt AI? But past a certain point it begins to feel self-aware. Iāll try to look out for these posts as I continue the readthrough.
Points out the vote on Wazza over the vote on me, or zone, or raven.
I donāt think there was anything different with this vote in comparison to the other RVS votes? Perhaps gorta can explain this from his perspective - why he called out this specific vote.
He had no read on Wazza prior to this.
This just feels really fake
It could be bias, as we know Wazza flipped W, but I donāt see why hes so caught up on the Wazza votes overā¦ any other votes at SoD.
Also this one is from 2h before EoD ^
lol
take your own advice
This is doodoo
Mole felt nothing like JoaT^2 (I read through that game) - but he did feel wolfy for other reasons.
Weāre in PoE.
They have said nothing to or about Raven other than regarding the Wazza vote
Same with Zone
We happen to be the only player here that he has actively shown he is suspicious of, with quotes like this:
Why are we āmaybeā in their PoE, if they have shown more reason to scumread us than Zone/Raven
Also holy shit
Gorta asks a lot of questions, but never comments or analyzes the answers.
Whatās the point of asking questions if you arenāt going to look at the answers? It feels like saying things just to look productive and solvey.
LMFAO
Oh fuck
Iām going to tunnel this arenāt I
But this post feels like itās exactly what hes doing
He never says why he sees Zone as wolfy., but he hard scumreads him. Yet he leaves room forā¦ Zone toā¦ be an IC? Claim Priest? Prove himself town? I donāt understand.
Itās like hes leaving room to say āoopsā if Zone dies and flips V.
Throughout the game he asks people why they townread him, but he never comments on their responses and whether or not theyāre AI.
The longer I do this the more it feels like Iām casing him rather than evaluating him, but I didnāt plan on hating everything he has posted.
Next section is where he starts his ISO-dives. I already commented on them here, and why I think theyāre wolfy (click to expand):
Gorta is focused on ISO-dives and never really communicates with players in real-time.
This is much more likely to come from a wolf, as they have time to consider every word they are putting in the thread, and there is less of a chance to slip up if they arenāt talking to players one-on-one.
Meh this post is fine.
But its an association read zzz
All their scumreads are on association with us
āI scumread you but I havenāt read anything youāve writtenā
Cool
Oh also:
This feels like what he did with zone. Heās leaving room to say āoopsā when we flip V. He went from a scumread and PoE on Darth to possibly t/t with us, and he never explained this, when we brought it up yesterday.
More questions, but never commenting on the answers.
He still hasnāt answered our questions.
Have you gotten any info out of it? If so, please share.
This post is fine.
What
Also gorta went from townreading Raven to making W/W associations with them once Raven was guaranteed to be the execution yesterday:
This is the last thing he said regarding Raven. It was 3 days ago, during Heaven. They didnāt say anything regarding Raven in the meantime.
Then this.
Also Zone was just town to them. Aaa
While I think its more likely for a wolf to stick to Trivialās townread on him and try to get heavened, you have to keep in mind that most people here scumread him, and would scumread him more for doing so.
Itās very WIFOMy, and should not be a reason to townread or scumread him. Last wolf has to do some crazy shit to win this, unless theyāre in towncore.
Going to look at d1 VCA and see if things add up. Letās hop to before gortaās vote.
Top wagon is Anagram, with Raven right behind.
I already talked about how gorta viewed Zone d1, earlier in this post, so go read that if you wanna see his (bad) progression.
Wazza votes Zone. (I called this out for TMI on gorta, but I didnāt know what he was TMIāing gorta as. This is ironically one of the only posts that is making me waver slightly on my scumread on gorta)
Anyways, hereās the VC:
| Voted | Voters | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| darth_tabor | Zone_Q11 | 1/5 |
| Raven | Yawn, Anagram | 2/5 |
| Anagram | Raven, Trivial, darth_tabor | 3/5 |
| Zone | Wazza | 1/5 |
Mole votes Raven, which ties the wagons:
| Voted | Voters | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| darth_tabor | Zone_Q11 | 1/5 |
| Raven | Yawn, Anagram, Moleland | 3/5 |
| Anagram | Raven, Trivial, darth_tabor | 3/5 |
| Zone | Wazza | 1/5 |
Raven is now in trouble, and could die.
Zone selfvotes because lolzone
| Voted | Voters | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| Raven | Yawn, Anagram, Moleland | 3/5 |
| Anagram | Raven, Trivial, darth_tabor | 3/5 |
| Zone | Wazza, Zone | 2/5 |
Next up is gortaās vote. Letās do some scenarios
1. Gorta is town:
Gorta votes Zone as a genuine scumread of his.
2. Gorta is a wolf:
Anagram wagon wonāt pick up, and he doesnāt have the progression needed to vote me. The only thing isā¦ Raven has Zone as their top townread, so Raven wonāt be moving to Zone. They have to rely on townies moving off of Raven and voting Zone.
Occamās Razor says Gorta is town from basic VCA.
But:
Hereās the attempt to get a vote off of Raven and onto Zone. Option 2 is now valid. It will bring Zone to 4/5 (perhaps 3/5 if Zone unvotes), and Raven will be 2/5 - saving him.
Okay yeah, gorta is a wolf. Like heās just a straight up wolf. The only things going for him are Occamās Razor from VCA, and a single post from Wazza that could TMI him as town. I planned on going into this objectively but it ended up being more of a case than I expected.
He has horrible progression on players like Zone and Raven, is oddly obsessed with the d1 Wazza RVS votes, asks a million questions but never comments on or analyzes the answers, posts only when he doesnāt have to interact with other players, says a million times that he is going to do things, rather than just doing them, has all his scumreads based on associations, and all his townreads based on meta and tone.
This is just a wolf.
~ Player 1
Yeah i dont give a shit, i see vote i count it, so guess what im petty too. So yeah those votes count. Sue me 
VC
| Voted | Voter | Counts |
|---|---|---|
| Zone | Zone | 1/4 |
| Darth | Yawn | 1/4 |
Iām fine with you or me. Iām 99% sure the last wolf is between Zone and Gorta.
The way I see it game is pretty much solved. Zone and Gorta go in the next two Hell phases, and in the very slim chance they are both town (which I really doubt), we should be fine because both of us will be in Heaven and weāre both willing to put in as much time as needed to make the right decision.
That being said, I donāt see that scenario happening, but Iād like to have it covered just in case.
and u can count that as official
Im counting the votes i see, still ping cheese, it helps with finding em for him, but yeah they all count
@Anagram
@an_gorta_pratai
@darth_tabor
I know Trivial wonāt listen to Anagram because they want to up gorta or themself, so when are you three going to vote for darth?
Not yet. Wonāt be till EoD. I want to keep ISOing people and talking to people.
Also
As certain as I am that darth is town here, I donāt want to get them to 3/4 until after I have had a chance to ISO-dive them and quell my paranoia.
If we get a wolf to 3/4 and they selfvote its gg.
Speaking of which, we need to all be on board for whatever we decide today. If we have two wagons, and one is on a wolf, they can just swap votes last minute and be ballsy and force a rand or get majority.
Ya feel?
~ Player 1
Listen, my play this game has been sucky, but I am not a wolf.
Yes, because Zone isnāt the player to make a random vote, which is why I asked. Zone is the type to tunnel and do everything they can to get their target killed. Zone voting Wazza, but never tunneling it makes me think that that is a wolf
That read is genuine from me. Itās the same method of reading Zone I used in SFoL 61.3.
To get into someones head and see what their thought process is. That kind of stuff helps me with reads
Partially, but I just like insurance that others wonāt follow me if things ever clear said person. āyou led the execution to a IC and didnāt unvoteā is just the worst thing when town and letās say sleeping during the EoD
I got w/w associations when I read the ISO of the flipped wolf and Raven, which is why my read changed. If it makes you feel any better I think you are probably town now, but I can go explain the posts that initially pinged me next phase. A lot of that was how everyone went from having you as their top scum read to top town read, which I found odd and partner-y. It didnāt help that you did the same.
I agree with that actually. That being said I still donāt want the pressure of winning the game in my hands, even if there are 2-3 townies in heaven by that point.
I have been giving reads and trying to re-eval, but I am just a lazy bastard
I get what you want, butā¦ to put it simply, it sucks to be me. My voice is worthless, and nobody will vote me up, so the best I can do is join a wagon.
When it comes to wagons though, there canāt be any counterwagons, because:
- Anagram/darth_tabor/Yawn wonāt vote for an_gorta_pratai because PoE
- Zone_Q11 is in PoE with an_gorta_pratai
- Anagram wants to stay alive and solve the game
- Nobody ups Yawn and Trivial for reasons unknown