[VFM] SFoL -1: Hall of the Incendiary - Night 6 - Cult wins!

[Benjamin_Shapiro]

wait its L-1

[Leafia]

Wrong person. Now wolves will just win.

[GGhana]

@demoknighttf2

@GGhana

PKR, Leafia are scum

there are 3 scum what are you on about

Weird comment, mostly NAI[quote=“demoknighttf2, post:435, topic:84322”]
progression 100
let me find where you admitted this
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Weird comments from him about progression, as though people changing their minds later is impossible, Scummy[quote=“demoknighttf2, post:453, topic:84322”]
burden of proof falls on you
[/quote]

Later with more context, this is scummy. His constant pushing on me, even while saying he has no evidence contradicts this. Scummy[quote=“demoknighttf2, post:457, topic:84322, full:true”]
i think you’re trying to shade light and then change your mind because ???
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Why did he suddenly stop mentioning all these accusations?[quote=“demoknighttf2, post:555, topic:84322, full:true”]
gghana and i

you posting not much but still being in thread like you appear to be is
lurking
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This is strange in context. He said he was basically scum reading me since the start. Why is he trying to buddy me? Scummy[quote=“demoknighttf2, post:629, topic:84322”]

@Illwei

Sulit hopped on the two largest wagons

uh, are these new players actually new? who is newer player, or are we…like…not supposed to ask. I’d like to know that would make reads easier

/vote Sulit

opportunistic

their 17 posts contain all of:
debating whether GGhana is new
telling me to stop tunneling ben (which is fair but NAI)
telling ben that his reasoning is bad and to stop tunneling (which is fair but NAI again)
and the above quote. and also wondering about meta… while being an alt… which is really annoying, but NAI… again.
their posts are fluff
so i agree with the read here. they’re trying to make content… while not making content. seems wolfy to me

overall i agree with the read
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Why does he never mention this again? Why does he continue to only push on me? Scummy.[quote=“demoknighttf2, post:656, topic:84322, full:true”]

@GGhana

I don’t remember any reason to really trust her.

the burden of proof falls on you once again
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Scummy with more context, as seen today.[quote=“demoknighttf2, post:682, topic:84322, full:true”]
the concept is that
they’re blundering so hard that it’s probably coming from a misguided villager
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This might seem silly, but why does he never bring up this possibility about me? Mostly NAI, slightly scummy

@demoknighttf2

too many of your arguements involve many coulds
i don’t think this is lookin too good for you buddy

Scum-read about grammar? Seriously? Do I need to explain why this is nonsense?

@demoknighttf2

oh and also
progression 100
you didn’t have enough time to read my ISO precisely
so i don’t know where this is coming from

Why do I need to read your ISO to determine if you dont contribute much, weird argument.

@demoknighttf2

anyways after all this pushing on GGhana i better vote him
/vote GGhana @Arete

As far as I can tell this is when the tunneling starts. Just because of OMGUS. Curious.

@demoknighttf2

i am not
i am saying they are flimsy
i am not saying they are inherently wrong, they could still be right
but the reasoning on them is super weak

Doesnt explain why. But gorta flipped town so NAI

@demoknighttf2

bruh your strawmanning me soooo hard
i think that’s the word anyways

Argument from fallacy, weak.

@demoknighttf2

i can understand this
but like
the progression on this vote is whack

With further context with his push on me, this seems stranger in hindsight

[ScaledSlinky]

@ScaledSlinky

What I’m going to do here is skim GGhana’s ISO and comment more on the motivation behind their posts and general playstyle than the content of the posts themselves. (I don’t really care if this is controversial, it’s how I generally make reads.)

So, before starting what I and everyone else must keep in mind is GGhana’s relevant background information: the fact that they are a new player (albeit one well-versed in forum mafia terms) that comes from the Throne of LIes game, a very mech-heavy setup. Having played it myself several times, I understand at least a bit of the mindset GGhana is likely entering the game with: be aggressive, make your voice loud and impossible to miss, and prioritize self-survival.

I’d now like to bring up this particular post of mine, as I believe it’s still relevant here.

I now have a question for you all that I believe is relevant: how do you read new players?

In my opinion, everyone answering this will give us more insight in how to read GGhana, especially considering that EOD, and their identity as a highly contested slot.

My own answer: I generally tend to read new players from the tone and circumstances around their posts rather than the content itself. They’re new, of course their content is going to be a bit odd, not to say it’s useless though.
Tone: How confident do they appear to be in the thread, and how comfortable? Are they asking lots of questions, and if so, how are they asking them?
Circumstances: Most new wolves I’ve seen are remarkably frozen, some rely on their partners to give them advice before every post and some are simply too scared any content will reveal themselves.

This is why I’ve considered GGhana a townlean, disregarding everything that happened EOD.

This is why I’ve townread GGhana in the past, and why I still do currently, even considering their generally odd behavior. Nearly every post GGhana has made is intended to draw the public eye to them, they’re not afraid to get into an argument or buck the “consensus”. They’ve been posting reasoning behind everything they do (almost immediately, at that) which I believe would be hard for a wolf to fake in their very first game. GGhana is eager to solve and it’s clear as day re-ISOing them. This is just town, and I frankly refuse to let it be lynched.

I know most people see a wall and scroll past, especially this close to EOD. but I’m asking everyone here to read this in it’s entirety.

As I see the wagons unlikely to change at the moment, /vote Demo @Arete

@Leafia

[Benjamin_Shapiro]

/unvote

[Whysper]

Additionally, I have been scum leaning Demo because of his severe drops in activity consistently since D1. More severely so than most others.

[GGhana]

EOD coming in like 3 minutes, Heres my wallpost @ATNoName

[Benjamin_Shapiro]

nice quotes

[Arete]

Boat Count

Boat Target	Boated By	Boats
GGhana	Leafia, SirDerpsAlot, demoknighttf2, Light, Shrek_Gurl_12	5/7
demoknighttf2	sulit, GGhana, Illwei, ScaledSlinky, Whysper	5/7
SirDerpsAlot	PokemonKidRyan	1/7
Not Voting	ATNoName, Benjamin_Shapiro	2

[ScaledSlinky]

Well that’s a relief to hear.

[GGhana]

I mean you can tell I was rushing right?

[Illwei]

lol you have time to repost it

[ATNoName]

meh extra hour. I was talking about your other reads

[Leafia]

Read it now but you should never townread someone for a cting scummy,. Even newbwolves can act like Ghana was acting. Look at me in Insurgency for proof. That was my first game on this site.

[ATNoName]

Sorry for not being clear enough

[GGhana]

oh shit i didnt know

[GGhana]

Ill try to finish my ISO then

[ScaledSlinky]

I didn’t say I was townreading GGhana for acting scummy?

[Leafia]

Slinky and Whysper, you’re literally clearing the most obvious wolf to ever exist just because it’s his first game on the site.

[Leafia]

You’re townreading him and he’s been ultrascummy.