[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

[Alice]

@Vulgard

@Emilia

/vote alice

good I’ll blame you if she is town.

just what i needed, more responsibility for bad pushes when i’m a villager

Like, can we just nuke Emilia/Vul?

Seriously?

[Chloe]

@Alice

@Vulgard

@WindwardAway

this post here is something I’m used to seeing from t!Chloe. The reason I don’t think this is necessarily just hedge is because she gives reasons why she thinks Vulgard’s play has been sketchy, and also why he could still be a villager, but expresses a massive amount of uncertainty as well as frustration that looks more like she’s trying to legitimately figure Vulgard out than just saying he could flip either way and calling it a day.

or maybe it’s just that last bit at the end that’s making me think it’s t!Chloe, idk

idk chief, this reads like tmi
the reasons given here are more “this post is good” and less “this post is villagery”
basically, i feel like WWA’s not really evaluating whether chloe’s post is villagery; she just saw that it looked good and plopped a townread on it for that reason alone

@WindwardAway

getting voted out wasn’t in my plans this game lol.

@WindwardAway

lol

i think these excerpts were written by someone who’s dead inside

@WindwardAway

Ok so I haven’t fully caught up on the thread yet and realistically i’m not going to read everything but the posts I thought looked towny from you were from what I read yesterday morning. I don’t remember exactly where they were but the impression they gave me were just that there were cogs turning in your head

@WindwardAway

there was a post where you said Vulgard seemed to be intentionally wolfy but the way you put it, regardless of Vul’s alignment, looked like you were analyzing his behavior in a way that wasn’t like you were just slapping a read on him

@WindwardAway

tbf I’ve never been in a game where you were a wolf so idk how well you can fake your progressions but it felt natural.

@WindwardAway

I think I remember reading someone saying your opener was bad and i haven’t read it yet, but tbh i’m not making it a priority to read your opener because iirc you also get scumread for your openers as any alignment and i think your alignment should be more obvious from your later posts.

these all feel like WWA’s pretending to have reasons to townread chloe, because she doesn’t want her read to look like tmi
all of these boil down to the same thing
“chloe’s posts are good”
which i realize isn’t much better than what i said about her slot, but it still feels off to me

Yeah, I kind think that the has a fair chance of being WWA/Vul/x.

This shit feels like distancing by casing a partner and never returning it.

I scrapped my catchup post a while ago and never posted it but I planned on commenting on this as well

I didn’t know what to make of it in itself but the hypocrisy of it made me start to wonder if Vulgard was TMI’ing me V, because his reasons for townreading me are really similarly quite shallow, and almost the same as Wind’s

I don’t think “Chloe is posting a lot and would stop at a certain point if she was a wolf” (which is paraphrased, to be clear) is a valid way to read me at all? lol
It felt like a giant stretch
Despite my alignment preference I don’t have a postcount tell and I definitely wouldn’t just drop off once I started getting townreads imo

[Wazza]

Votecount

Voted	Voters	Count
willtaylor	Leafia, EliThePsycho, Arctic, Chloe, GGhana, Marluxion	6
WindwardAway	Alice, staypositivefriend, willtaylor	3
Alice	Vulgard, Emilia	2
Vulgard	Prophylaxis	1
Prophylaxis	WindwardAway	1
Not Voting	X	0

Majority is disabled for today. Ping me for votes. Day ends at 2021-08-30T20:00:00Z

[Prophylaxis]

on post 1209/1505

kinda getting cold feet on vulg from his more in-depth responses, plus he had some micro townie tells that i saw earlier

catchup/skim post should be done soon, won’t be as long as my normal posts for obvious reasons

[Alice]

@Vulgard

Marl's progression on my slot

@Marluxion

after forcing myself to be slow in first 100 i think vulgard probably town

@Marluxion

pr discussion

@Marluxion

i believe his claim, i think he’s exactly the jailkeeper and he’s so confident on his ability to jailkeep the scum performing the night kill he doesn’t mind claiming

townreads me

@Marluxion

@Vulgard

Yeah, GGhana’s opening string isn’t great.

super out of place shade
gonna give me goddamn whiplash

finds my handling of gghana suspicious

@Marluxion

Ghana’s opening was fine
If i were vulgard here i’d probably have just called Ghana v from attacking Alice immediately upon intro

i still don’t understand this post. looks like tmi’ing me v, but this is such a weird way to tmi someone

@Marluxion

do you think vulgard is wolfing SPF?
i saw you come to the same conclusions basically that i did around eli early albeit for completely different reasons, so i’m comfortable not suspecting you today given how easy he is to shade and push for miselimination

considers me being w

@Marluxion

this is his PoE - Vul

Vulgard
Leafia
Windy (haven’t read yet but will either drop to bottom or be removed when i do)
Will
Emilia

puts me in poe

@Marluxion

@Vulgard

Eli feels mildly wolfy as well. Nothing to do with his gimmick, really, just with his content.

Vulgard doing the exact same fucking thing Leafia did

ah yes

@Marluxion

latching on to vulgard and pointing out all the inconsistencies in his posts is probably why he’s felt so frozen and easy enough for me to find as a wolf

@Marluxion

Vulgard probably hyperaware of rule of threes so possible will is a villager
just because vulgard wouldn’t want to put a single mate into the w category to intentionally avoid the rule of threes

pretty much treats me a wolf from here on out

it bothers me that marl so easily changed his initial townread on me and pretty much treated me like outed mafia from that point forward. he started the game townreading me, then seemingly followed thread consensus (for the most part) as he switched the read around

it looks like he decided to wolfread me because he noticed that his townread on me was anti-consensus and i was a viable misyeet option for him - why deprive himself of that, right?

marl’s only real reasoning for changing his read on me was:

• the fact he seemingly liked proph’s suspicion of me a lot (he praises proph several times when he talks about my slot);
• he also disliked my handling of gghana (even though my handling of gghana was pretty much thread consensus at the time, so i wasn’t doing anything out of place)
• my handling of eli (which was literally a single throwaway comment i haven’t done anything with ever since)

he also compares my treatment of eli to leafia’s treatment of eli, which is a suspicious preflip. he’s not really pushing leafia/vulgard worlds, but he’s putting us in the same basket regardless, so it feels more like shade than a genuine solving process

him doubling down on pushing me after i started pushing on windward feels like something between a chainsaw and trying to keep me in the poe after i started posting better

@Vulgard

@Vulgard

the fact he seemingly liked proph’s suspicion of me a lot (he praises proph several times when he talks about my slot);

speaking of which, proph is probably town for this if marl’s mafia, because marl’s posts surrounding proph are an open encouragement of proph’s wolfread on me

and it’s very blatant to the point it also reads as buddying

Tbfh this is another main issue I have with Vulgard. Anyone that has experience with Marl would probably apply a more holistic method to read him and conclude that he’s just a villaging here. The way that Vulgard managed to reach this conclusion that Marl’s a wolf trying to mischop him doesn’t really feel like it’s something he’d normally reach.

It feels extremely wolfy how Vulgard immediately reached the conclusion that Marl is trying to mislynch him even to the point of pre-flipping Proph V with him W because of Marl’s progression on him.

[Alice]

@Prophylaxis

plus he had some micro townie tells that i saw earlier

Which are?

[willtaylor]

The reason why you people are incorrectly identifying me as a wolf with experience is that I’m all-over-the-place

[Chloe]

/vote Emilia @Wazza

I’d rather this be the counterwagon

[Prophylaxis]

this is weak but i think he mentioned that he was “dead inside”/“frozen” when he was around

i feel like wolf vulgard would double/triple check if he ever wanted to post those statements ITT or just not post them at all? thee fact that he did admit to that and post that makes me think that he shows a decent lack of self awareness/lack of caring how he’s perceived

[willtaylor]

Oh damn if we’re voting Emilia I’m all for it

/vote Emilia

[willtaylor]

/vote Emilia @Wazza

[willtaylor]

Now if this was some play by Chloe to get wayward off the wagon I’ll go back closer to the end of day

[Alice]

That’s not enough to offset how he’s been treating my/Marl’s slots.

His case on me was bogus such as claiming that I’m following consensus while I’ve throughly been one of the main solvers this match, he misrepresented my intentions when it came to asking Marl to read WWA as I clearly articulated that I wanted him to read Windy because he has more familiarity with her, and he also claiming that I was just sheeping on WWA despite the fact that I literally was the one who deconstructed her opening and started a wagon on her.

[Prophylaxis]

this is the type of stuff that strong wolves can pretty easily fake, which is why i’m not hanging my read on him with it

but it kinda tracks with how he’s been feeling for most of d1

also don’t really like this last string of will’s posts - it’s pure self preservation

[Alice]

Even for V!Vulgard’s incorrect takes I can see the logic coming from behind them such as his incorrect reads on Ciconia.

Here it’s basically looking like he’s intentionally building up his own conclusions by cherry-picking the thread.

[willtaylor]

What made you switch off me? @Chloe

[Chloe]

I have no strong feelings regarding Wind

I read her recent posts and they have been okay

Like the only word my brain comes up with when I read her posts is “okay.”

But Marl’s wishes were that we give her some time and I’m fine with that, and Arctic and GGhana are correct in that her weird self-centered worldview is villagery of her

I think Emilia is just wolfing

[Prophylaxis]

i haven’t gotten to the part where (i assume?) vulg is scumreading you and marl

let me get to that part and finish my catchup and i’ll have a better take on things

[Alice]

I already debunked why his case on me is garbage and not something that I’d see V!Vulgard actually believing in.

For Marl it’s more of a read due to their intra-personal relationship as Vulgard should never be misreading Marl this hard.

[Chloe]

@willtaylor

What made you switch off me?

Because I want a different counterwagon

You can probably just die still lol