[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

[staypositivefriend]

@Wisp - did you ever find that interaction?

[staypositivefriend]

feels like youre just trying to rile gghana up on this post, where is the solving?

[staypositivefriend]

okay, this post could be villagery if i squint, but i still don’t feel like i have an understanding of where your head is at. your posts don’t read much like someone that has a strong drive to solve - so, what’s up? where is your head at? who are the wolves?

[Wisp]

sorry my internet went out a little bit after I got home, and I just ended up taking a nap

1. No I never ended up finding the interaction I was talking about, I should have noted it when I saw it
2. I mean a part of me is, his play irritated me as a bystander
3. What exactly would I need to do, to show my “drive to solve” after just replacing in. I had a few notes, I wanted to focus on a small subset of people, which were Wind/Proph/Alice, which is exactly what I am doing.

[staypositivefriend]

not sure how i feel about this argument, but i think the fact that youre making the argument is villagery within itself

[staypositivefriend]

cant believe u just roasted us like this

[Prophylaxis]

willtaylor’s posts wrt emilia:

willtaylor

@willtaylor

Emilia seems fake

I could be misinterpreting her personality or it could be too early

@willtaylor

Emilia’s posts feel like she’s trying to act personable and active without saying much of anything; she’s trying to keep a low profile. Something like ‘wha–’ as a response tells us nothing.

@willtaylor

My strongest reads are Vulguard → Good and Emilia → Evil

I’m not doing that thing where you try to buddy up and improve relations with a town as mafia by vouching for them. (I think TMI was the term I saw others using for this).

I hope you can see what I’m saying about Emilia.

@willtaylor

It’s strange that Chloe pushed (or at least heavily questioned) both Vulgaurd and Emilia, not show how to interpret that.

@willtaylor

I don’t know exactly.

Chloe sounds almost forcefully interrogative.

I understand that Emilia has either a very unique playstyle (compared to others her) or she’s a wolf.

@willtaylor

Emilia? I’d bet she’s a wolf. I also understand the other possibility.

@willtaylor

I realized I edited in the format for my last vote, so

/vote Emilia @Wazza

@willtaylor

Oh damn if we’re voting Emilia I’m all for it

/vote Emilia

@willtaylor

Hi Emilia

@willtaylor

Oh I’m sorry

@willtaylor

I’m confident Emilia has me and vul as v/v and is trying her best to have one of us die today

@willtaylor

Do you say that because I correctly read you and vulguard

@willtaylor

I agree. We’re w/w. Why don’t we get Emilia first and then you can get me

@willtaylor

/vote Emilia @Wazza

@willtaylor

I left with about an hour left (phone died no charger)

Before that there was like 0-1 votes on Emilia so I was trying to avoid me or vulguard being lynched

@willtaylor

Emilia tried to soft pr and backed off immediately, but still hinting at it with the soulread bs. Vulguard wasn’t PR.

@Emilia

@Leafia

I’m glad that I swapped to voting Emilia at the EoD
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it would’ve been V flip either way

Emilia’s trying hard here for us to somehow treat the mislynch yesterday as clearing her, it’s also why she’s been more active now

hm.

[staypositivefriend]

i agree that the attitude of: “i was right, y’all suck!” is more likely to come from a villager than a wolf, but i think our disagreement is in how much will actually showed that attitude. will bragged about being right in a single post, but none of his other posts have felt as though they carry that underlying attitude, and i’m reluctant to take any stock into a read that’s based on a ~single~ line and not an overarching attitude

[Wisp]

ok to be fair, it wasn’t that none of you stuck out to me, its just I am very particular on what I focus on, and that is usually a small subset

[staypositivefriend]

oh really? so you’re so convinced that will is a villager that you have him out of your POE entirely? and would you bank the game on wisp being a wolf right now? what about eli? this POE surprises me tbh

[Wisp]

@Prophylaxis

Dude, I didn’t start getting cold feet on Vulg until EoD1 when I actually read his new posts, and by then the wagons were Emilia/Vulg/will.

idk I think that is irrelevant, maybe it just you are actually too busy to play the game to the fullest given our time constraints are about the same, but like only voting Vulgard the entirety of day 1, that is fully in your wolf!meta, and thats coming from someone who just recently saw both your alignments up close quite recently

[staypositivefriend]

also, the second line of this post doesn’t really make sense to me

your poe is Wisp, one of me/alice, and a third unnamed deepwolf

you then go on to say that “if wisp flips W, i need to figure out if either of spf/alice were bussing”

your POE doesn’t allow for a world where wisp isn’t a wolf, and your POE also doesn’t allow for a world where neither me or alice bussed wisp, so i don’t understand why you’re acting like those are both questions that are still fully up in the air for you

[Prophylaxis]

the thing that’s kinda striking me as weird from will is that some of their earlier posts they were giving themselves a backdoor to assume that emilia could be playing weirdly or playing uniquely if they were v, but none of their later posts show that

@willtaylor

Emilia seems fake

I could be misinterpreting her personality or it could be too early

@willtaylor

I don’t know exactly.

Chloe sounds almost forcefully interrogative.

I understand that Emilia has either a very unique playstyle (compared to others her) or she’s a wolf.

[staypositivefriend]

if i recall correctly, windward was definitely the consensus, “most likely to go over” chop until the final couple of hours of d1. there was a pretty large wagon on windward that formed mid-d1, and it stayed that way until closer to the EOD. by all accounts, it did look like windward was going to go over on d1 for a large period of time

this is worth taking into consideration if you’re thinking about who could be bussing windward’s slot - since in a world where windward is a wolf, the wolves already likely started bussing or distancing from her on d1

[Prophylaxis]

@Wisp When you get some time, I’d like to hear about the Alice interaction you hated, as well as why you think that all three people who were on your wagon at the time you replaced in could be town (ghana, spf, marl)

[Prophylaxis]

@staypositivefriend

oh really? so you’re so convinced that will is a villager that you have him out of your POE entirely? and would you bank the game on wisp being a wolf right now? what about eli? this POE surprises me tbh

I need to do a more exhaustive examination of will’s posts, but the world I’m worried about is the world where will is v and either you or Alice are trying to keep him in the PoE

As I mentioned before, the katze kill really indicated to me that the wolves were pretty comfortable with thread consensus, and will was a heavy wagon towards EoD yesterday. Hence why I am definitely unsure about him being a wolf.

As for Eli, I want to trust in Chloe’s read on him since she has much more experience than me on reading him. And I could be placing too much weight on the NK, but I don’t think that wolf Eli spikes the slot that was shielding him yesterday and that he was suspecting

[Wisp]

I could not find the interaction. and I didnt even particularly hone in on the people voting me, I knew there was a train on Windward when I replaced in, but it didnt really change my reads. I do not think we are at the point where that is a problem.

Marluxion is especially in his town meta
Spf was someone I skimmed over, but I never once had a reason to hate her. Well there was actually one post, where she talked about someones wolf meta, and how their play here doesnt make sense if they are a wolf, or soemthing of the sorts. I hated it, but I never noted it down per usual, so I would have to find it
GGhana is definitely not town-core but was not someone I wanted to focus on, In particular though I find it crazy how he always talked about you being an obvious wolf, but always seemed to find his vote somewhere else. I remember him one time making a post about no one wanting to go to you, but that doesn’t really seem in line with his personality if he truely wanted someone dead.

[Alice]

@Prophylaxis

I need to do a more exhaustive examination of will’s posts, but the world I’m worried about is the world where will is v and either you or Alice are trying to keep him in the PoE

Why shouldn’t will remain in the PoE?

Like, as SPF and I mentioned he has previous experience with ToS/ToL so he isn’t a complete newbie and him mentioned that he bussed probably means that he has more experience in social deduction games than we think.

I’m not entirely sold that his push on Emilia is not posturing as he’s not really developing it in any way whatsoever or making a case for her yet.

[staypositivefriend]

1. my usual MO is very similar to what you’re seeing now, but i usually include a lot more posts where i “dig deeper” into peoples ISOs or try to poke holes in their progressions. i’ve focused less on doing that in this game because the formatting doesn’t allow for that type of play super easily, and because it seems like the best way to get reads on a site like this is just to chat in real time until people start towntelling/wolftelling

i am definitely a collaborative player/i put a lot of stock into pressuring and getting reactions out of people, but there are some games where i play more individualistically and go into a “detective mode” of sorts, where my thoughts are much more internally based and where i’m a bit more coy about where my head is at in any given moment. this has definitely been a game where i have been deliberately more coy

2. this is a case where being coy about my reads comes back to bite me, because i probably won’t be able to give you a satisfactory answer to that question until i go back and re-read my own posts toward the end of day one. if i recall correctly, i was focused very hard on getting will to slip up/contradict himself under pressure, and i felt mostly lukewarm about the way that he reacted to me. i was uncomfortable with wagoning him largely due to GG shielding him (i townread GG pretty comfortably at that point, and this is one of those games where i’ve been putting stock into the reads that my townreads feel confident about, because i trust them to navigate this super meta-filled environment with more accuracy than me)

3. i thought your progression on vulgard was rigid because it almost felt like you were “forcing” yourself to come to the same answer every time. in a way, i almost felt like you were hiding how confident you felt about him being a wolf (or how much you actually wanted him to go over). i saw shreds of doubt and re-consideration in your posts about vulgard, but you always bounced back to the same conclusion of: “he’s probably a wolf”. i only really have an issue with this because of the fact that vulgard was, to my memory, your sole wolfread throughout the entirety of d1

this might not be an entirely fair assessment of your progression on vulgard, since i’m going off of my memory

[sulit]

Okay questions

Was Chloe widely townread or could her reads be important
(Actually this is probably a dumb question her reads don’t matter as she subbed out so Nevermind)

Why was vulgard lynched d1