[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

[Emilia]

@Arctic

it does but choosing me works specifically because of the “wow why would emilia do this as wolf” factor

You can apply this to anything non-wolfy I do.

[Emilia]

You are in range

[Arctic]

i’m not wasting my fucking posts today arguing “no u”

i’m not in my wolfrange
i’ve been too motivated to play this game
my analysis this game is way better than my wolf game

if you’re a villager then i’m convinced your read on me is literally one big OMGUS of me not being able to figure out you’re a villager because you’ve literally made up every other reason

[Emilia]

your brittish

[Arctic]

im going to sleep

do not vote me if you are town
i am not getting ml’ed and i’m not losing here

[Prophylaxis]

I’ll be around in an hour or two to first look at these vote counts and then dive really deep into the game

the thing that’s kinda weirding me out is like

Alice was killed and I think her primary wolfread was me/marl - she even indicated preference that she wanted me dead over marl in her last post(s) yesterday

I’d expect the wolves to kill her and then use her reads as an excuse to push me as a wolf but like

that hasn’t really happened so far? so what plan are the wolves trying to drive

[sulit]

Wisp

@Wisp

And Proph being a wolf, for somehow ignoring this slot, even tho from my reading and winds meta, this slot was gross

@Wisp

Vote Proph
@Wazza

@Wisp

Alice is another person that I hated on reread

@Wisp

Mistake in person or not, I’m still assuming the post exists, so your point still stands, either way in that world

@Wisp

@leafia
As much as I appreciate you defending me, I think the real life argument is quite flimsy, given the meta I know on Wind. Honestly idk what they were doing. Also there doesn’t seem to be that much pressure on me, so idk what I think of nobody defending me, since it doesn’t matter.

@Wisp

@Prophylaxis

Dude, I didn’t start getting cold feet on Vulg until EoD1 when I actually read his new posts, and by then the wagons were Emilia/Vulg/will.

idk I think that is irrelevant, maybe it just you are actually too busy to play the game to the fullest given our time constraints are about the same, but like only voting Vulgard the entirety of day 1, that is fully in your wolf!meta, and thats coming from someone who just recently saw both your alignments up close quite recently

@Wisp

ok

/unvote Proph
I am rereading this slot first, and I take back what I said about his handling of Vulgard, Vulgard gave him nothing to change his read their, despite whatever the hell Ghana was reading. Proph getting paranoid at the end of the day is still NAI at best though.

His lack of vote movement is still a problem, but like at least in the MTGS game where he was town, he moved his vote around, after people gave him enough responses to change his read. Vulgard did not, and he had expected Vulgard to do so.

@Wisp

Reading while in bed, I get that this is the reasoning for Marl’s read, but it still reads as super nitpicky. And I can’t really argue in regards to it, since it’s not my post anyways.

@Wisp

@Leafia

I won’t lie, if she hadn’t said anything about RL, I’d be scumleaning her slot right now, with her reaction to the push but it just feels like everyone expects her RL not to be effecting her as badly as it is or something.

If she was a wolf, I don’t think so many people would be pushing her at this point in time.

Why does OOG play a part in your read of this slot, if you don’t really like the content? and at what point does “nobody defending this” become irrelevant?

@Wisp

@Leafia

No. Wind is far from the reason Vulgard was lynched. Eli and Gghana are the main reasons that Vulgard was lynched. Mostly GGhana.

I agree, that Will’s comment is completely left handed, unless my vote somehow hypnotized everyone to vote there. It still could have gone either way if we people moved their votes around

@Wisp

@Arctic

this is a good point from proph

it’s like when marshal said in ciconia that the way she is being associated with wazza looks like a setup, but they townread all of the people saying she was w/w with wazza

its a good point but sadly it doesn’t even remove the possibility of W/W given how likes to buss, but again he also hasn’t voted there.

@Wisp

@Arctic

uhhh

what?
how are they pocketing each other? they are expressing on the other one being a deepwolf

this is a good point from Arctic, but I also like how natural his evaluation of Proph is, it doesn’t feel like he is trying to lean to one side, but rather natural evaluate his posts.

@Wisp

@leafia
what specifically do you not like about my slots posts? since u said u would be wolf reading Windward if not for the real life stuff, but u seem to be arguing that nobody defending me is also a point in my favor. Which feels like a contradiction

@Wisp

@Prophylaxis
what are the current wagons? also I was under the impression Emilia was just like within their town meta?
and I kinda just went to do other stuff after that post for now

@Wisp

how does Emilia have 200 posts of almost nothing

@Wisp

tbh I swear I saw a bunch of people in the thread saying that this is just town!Emilia because of meta?

@Wisp

Wasnt he already on Emilia though?

@Wisp

I’d rather vote in Emilia/Eli

@Wisp

@Prophylaxis
and u keep making everyone players alignment about me, and its rather frustrating
What exactly are your thoughts on these 3 players, since u asked me. Or link me to where you posted them if u did

@Wisp

@Emilia
here i’ll make you a deal, if you can tell me why he is a wolf, based on some real content
I might be convinced to vote there maybe the next day phase

but hypothetically, if we are looking for a deep wolf, I am always killing Alice or Proph first

@Wisp

I have 0 idea what is happening between Arctic and Emilia, am i missing something?

@Wisp

well that is certainly one hell of a misinterpretation

@Wisp

again, what exactly is the context here?

@Wisp

I am reading the convo, and I still dont get it

@Wisp

@Prophylaxis

Looking back at EoD, I kinda just hated Wisp starting the wagon on Eli and saying that will was town, but he didn’t really make an ~effort people on his worldview (why he thought will was town, why he didn’t address the arguments ITT, mostly by spf, as to why she thought Eli was town).

I wasn’t around, I said what I wanted, and everyone ignored it

@Wisp

also I dont wanna here it from a guy that was on a vanity wagon

@Wisp

@Prophylaxis
honestly ill post tomorrow, and answer your questions

@Wisp

mean he does basically call out people, without placing a vote
but Proph is usually not someone who puts someone at L1, or L2 this early into the day phase
so I guess that’s not really a fair point

@Wisp

@Prophylaxis

her lack of self-preservation that D1

we literally just saw this behavior on MTGS
to be fair I don’t know many of the posts surrounding the first EoD, but like this is not true, and you know it

There is nothing townie but not self-preserving, and at best its NAI, or at worst is wolfy

@Wisp

I have literally ignored leafons posts, so I have no opinion there

Stopped here in the case of antispew.

[sulit]

… honestly

I’m willing to remove proph from poe here

I feel like both wolves spew them town

the only thing that gives me doubt is

me and marl and their poe

[sulit]

Summary

Leafia/Emilia

Summary

do they have any not w/w interactions tho??

[sulit]

Summary

idk what teams would make sense without proph

am i

misclearing them?

did the wolves just decide to treat them in a very specific way?

[sulit]

Summary

[sulit]

i mean?

definitely not emilia/arctic right?

idk

mmm

so like, if im genuinely taking out proph

it’d be

leafia/arctic ( possibl?)
leafia/emilia (mmmmmm)
emilia/arctic (unlikely tbh)

[sulit]

because wolf interactions with the rest are like

mediorcre or

non existant

[sulit]

emilia gets zero bragging rights if arctic flips wolf :)))

[sulit]

WOW

that extra MISLYNCH would be helpful right now

:^^^^^^)

[sulit]

:)))

[Emilia]

wtf, yes I do

[sulit]

you’ve made no structured case or push against them

posting one-liners every second post about it does absolutely nothing

[Emilia]

@sulit

you’ve made no structured case or push against them

I did in my mind and that all what matters

[sulit]

@WindwardAway

read a chunk of posts where they were both wolfreading each other and it didn’t look partnered to me.

@WindwardAway

but I am kind of leaning toward Vulgard being a bit more towny.

@WindwardAway

but I feel like Vulgard’s early play in this game kind of vaguely resembles what I did in Ciconia (except less dramatic and annoying than my openwolfing). As for Proph, I remember reading two of his wallposts this morning and thinking they reminded me of how he played in DitF, but I also thought that in Ciconia about a number of his posts and I was wrong so idk lol.

@WindwardAway

nyway, I’m not gonna discount the possibility that both of them are town, cause if they are, I lowkey want them in the game for as long as possible lol.

@WindwardAway

I’ll read them more in-depth as individual slots but I think Proph might be wolfing, I just don’t want to confbias myself on his slot like I did in ciconia without considering that I could still be wrong.

@WindwardAway

like I want to look through your interaction with Proph because I haven’t actually seen enough of his posts or your case on him to know how much water it holds

@WindwardAway

and strongest scum probably proph

@WindwardAway

why is it you remember what i say about sheeping my highest townread but you don’t remember anything i said about proph?

@WindwardAway

@Prophylaxis

@WindwardAway - If you want make sure that you are correct on my alignment, then why are you not taking the time to actually ask me questions or interact with me? If I’m your strongest wolfread, then why are you not voting me? Why, exactly, are you wolfreading me?

Because I want to take a closer look at your posts before EoD. Despite putting you as my top “scumread” I’m not confident yet. I was watching your interaction with GGhana and wanted to see if either of you would comment when I put you as my top scumread, but I don’t really think I executed my plan properly because I got tired lol.

@WindwardAway

also Proph was in the thread too after i posted that but he didn’t comment on what I said. will keep reading to see if he does later on.

@WindwardAway

@Prophylaxis

Get me reasoning on this if you can. No rush, just want to see your progression from when you slept last night to when you woke up (and I assume skimmed the thread)

Admittedly maybe my reasons are stupid because this sort of post is something that I could consider partnered since Proph is giving Vulgard some wiggle room, but id

@WindwardAway

@Wazza why does the votecount say that leafia has two votes lol

Wind paying attentuon to leafias vote?/ scum with leafia /?!?!?

@WindwardAway

still kinda don’t think Proph/Vul is a team but weh

I gave my reasons but nobody at all commented on them after I gave them, and the only response I got was Vulgard saying I didn’t look like I believed what I was saying iirc

@WindwardAway

I don’t have as strong of a wolfread on Proph as I’ve been making out, which is why my accusations and vote didn’t really have much weight behind them.

@WindwardAway

anyway, if proph is a wolf then who are his teammates? i remember yesterday you said you thought vul/proph could be w/w but vul flipped town, so what are you thinking rn?

@WindwardAway

@Prophylaxis

I didn’t bother rereading the game because I was deflated and wanted to see the flip but I’m pretty sure I need to reset my reads. Gut tells me that the reason katze was killed was because wolves didn’t want a replacement to completely re-eval the game, which indicates to me that they’re probably ~comfortable with thread consensus atm

couldn’t it also be because the slot seemed mostly townread by EoD?
you might have a point, though, since katze’s generally regarded as a strong player

@WindwardAway

@Prophylaxis

i think my inner poe is like at, leafia, arctic, gghana.

why the heck is this your poe?

leafia/arctic

@WindwardAway

Proph I’ve been going back and forth on. His last few posts felt a bit better but I’m still wary of him. I remember in DitF I scumread him early on for his interactions and cautious reads but then he got consensus townread and I dropped the read, but he was a wolf. I don’t want to let him slip through my fingers if he’s a wolf, but I don’t want to confbias on him either because I kinda think GGhana has reached that point regardless of whether he’s right or not .

the wind/leafia/arctic tinfoil begins