[VFM] Vanilla Nightless FM - Ice Cream Flavor: Day 6 - The Mafia Win!

Our plan was to lynch Eevee that day.

Probably easier to go Hippo though?

Hippo was D2 lynch.

D3*

@Vulgard

It felt like you were trying to force behavior that didn’t come naturally and it felt really forced… I can draw quite a few specifics if you want me to.

And you didn’t naturally come to me as the usual V!Vulgard.

you were trying too hard

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I love how no one noticed the fact we outed all scum D1.

On the topic of me and Vulgard scumreading each other.

yes pls

Most of this is Vulgard!fluffposting and you can tell. While it might be NAI for other players, this is very AI for you Vulgard. It’s trying to look productive but you aren’t actually saying or doing anything meaningful (except for the last one maybe).

You play much better than this as town and you are much more analytical. Here, your analysis is very limited.

I took this post as NAI.

See if you compare this to your Town games, you are mostly doing analysis yourself and comparing and contrasting, but you’re just asking questions here to show you are productive. It sticks out.

And this joke … idk… it just felt forced out. It seemed to me like, “oh I’m being pressured, I need to find some joke to respond with”


To summarize, you’re pretty good as a Villager and you make it obvious that you are one. This means it’s difficult to play wolf because it means that if you don’t like up to your villager game, you will get wolfread as you did in this game.

I think the issue is that you are too self-conscious. It seems like your mindset here is that, “oh i need to appear town” and then later on “ill pursue my agenda”, instead of your villager mindset which is moreso of, “i need to analyze and evaluate to find villagers and the wolves”, which in doing so, you make yourself look villager. You were trying to look villager and it showed. A villager Vulgard doesn’t try to look villager, they just look villager. :slight_smile:

It’s funny, I might not be an experienced or very skilled FM player, but I realized that almost every player is in the position to give advice.

Your playstyle is usually one of a leadership role and I think with some refinement you can play a very effective powerwolf. Take a look at Virtuous II, where you were town initially and when you were converted, you were able to convert your progress you made as town and actually play an effective powerwolf as it seemed to flow better with you objectively. Some people suspected you were converted, but you weren’t overall seen in a scummy light.

Here is what I recommend. When the game starts, try to forget you are a wolf and play in your villager mindset (do this early-mid D1). Convince yourself that you are a villager if you need to. This way, you can establish yourself as a villager early on in the game. Don’t be afraid to read your wolves as scum if you pick something suspicious from them. Don’t be afraid to read your wolves as town either or even towncore them. Just be natural and read and analyze as you usually would.

With a strong start, then you can pursue your agenda. By this time, you’ve probably created a village and a PoE that developed naturally. That PoE will probably have some wolves and some villagers in it so don’t worry too much about it. If possible, try to let villagers slip into that PoE, and perhaps let some wolves rise out of it. You don’t have to do this though, you’ll probably end up with some villagers in the PoE.

Then push them. If needed you can amplify the scumminess of a thing that popped out to you. Don’t forget to apply some pressure to wolves as well though as a scumread with no push can look wolfy. But with several scumreads, you can steer lynches towards the wolfy villagers and get them lynched. Or you can bus wolves if you want and need to give yourself towncred which could allow you to further powerwolf.

You are a skilled player and once you correct your early game a W!Vulgard will be a force to be reckoned with. :slight_smile:

i think vulgard fluffs a bit as villager too but

i definitely subbed in, ISOed vulgard, and figured

“wow, im fucked”

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I know, it’s always obvious af and it pisses me off bc idk how to fix it.

Try this maybe? :slight_smile:

Yeah, I try to do that but then it doesn’t happen. :upside_down_face:

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If you haven’t noticed I wolfread all of my partners early.

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Probably to distance them?

focus on things that actually work

the real strat is to just have hyper self awareness and try to make everything you do look townie or push agenda secretly

also never underestimate the power of pockets and fake mindmelds

BoTF2 was full of me doing small things that were villagery that led up to me not being yeeted

nothing works when I wolf
what I can do as wolf is take advantage of an already good position but getting there is a struggle
which is why I’m an excellent convert but bad starting wolf

pocketing doesn’t have to be “Wow let’s be best freinds forever”

it can be as simple as taking someones side on an argument or publicly expressing your feelings on a stance that you know they have

did this relentlessly with arete in poisonous (all of those fake mindmelds and “ugh le wolves be slanking amirite”) and i’d say i did pretty well.