Virtuous Setup Balance Talk

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#101

Essentially this is just Cult vs Seen

#102

They need offensive immunity because their whole shtick is to visit as many players as possible I’d say.

#103

Occ immunity, but not redirect immunity.

#104

that accomplishes nothing in terms of their survivability

#105

what if they had a limited use self healing ability
instead of just always doing that

#106

True, which is why I don’t like the “cooldown” idea. But maybe they shouldn’t heal themselves with every bite? They already have Mist Form to protect themselves.

And this.

Their day abilities already give them protection. Three times total. Why not just remove the passive healing effect from Vampiric Bite?

#107

Like, at this point I don’t think there’s ever a good reason to use Mist Form unless you think an investigative / an attack that bypasses healing is headed your way.

#108

Because town exists

#109

i don’t think there is any prevention immunity so mist form is pretty strong, yeah

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#110

i agree this is kind of rediculous. The self healing alone means they cannot die.

#111

I’d argue removing the passive healing from Vampiric Bite might be a good enough nerf. Gives you room to attack the Strigoi and possibly kill them, while simultaneously forcing the Strigoi player to strategize about self-preservation.

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#112

Maybe some form of “weak” healing?

#113

Add The Italy

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#114

It protects from one attack, but if it bypasses any immunity, or there’s more than one of them, it fails.

#115

Or maybe if you are attacked, you lose occ immunity the next night.

#116

This is a necessary change

#117

This setup kinda exists

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#118

I mean
It’s fine if Arbiter / Visionary don’t appear to Marshal’s scout when converting.
But in all honesty the ability doesn’t really have a point if it can’t ever reasonably get results

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#119

fair

#120

Replace first day ability with one that heals them if bite is successful that night
Remove passive effect healing on night ability