Warrior Cats FM [6/15] - Dark Forest wins!

[Arctic]

yes
pretty much everyone thought the slot was a wolf

[Nuclear_Rehab]

Caught up on my webtoons this morning, cliffhangers pog

[GGhana]

I’m not entirely sure about nuclear being a wolf tbh

because lolpreflips

[WindwardAway]

Sam's ISO

@SamCrow

/vote SamCrow

This is the way.

was this during RTS? lol

@SamCrow

I think that there is two ways of looking at the situation

1. Emilia is Good, which means that probably at least one person voting her is scum.

or

2. Emilia is an Evil, which means that it’s possible everyone voting her was town.

Wait… Doesn’t that mean we should be voting Emilia to figure out which one it is? Then maybe we will have a lead.

i saw this post earlier and really didn’t know what to make of it because it’s such an incredibly broad post
i think it was probably situation #1 and this post is probably also what made me think that emilia was still in the poe because i didn’t read as much of the recent thread as i did during the first day and a half of the game

@SamCrow

Oh. Did I confuse Emilia and Eli? Sorry guys!

if Sam/Whysper’s slot is scum then i guess both Emilia and Eli are town
level 0 take but im serious

@SamCrow

We could appoint GGhana as leader for today then if we are all in agreement.

someone said this post looked good? i don’t think it looks like anything in particular without context.
if GGhana happened to be pushing incorrect reads at the time this post was made, then this post actually stinks.

@SamCrow

Why not? We should still vote however we want because maybe GGhana could be wrong, but we can have them direct our discussions and suspicions.

goes back to my previous point. If GGhana is pushing wrong reads then this post stinks. It assumes GGhana is a villager and gives the benefit of the doubt that if he’s wrong, he’s a wrong villager and not a wolf.

Whysper's ISO

@Whysper

Hello there I skimmed a little earlier, but there was a lot of arguing it seemed, so not sure I know where everyone stands other than Marshal being the wagon since she CC’d Leafia.

@Whysper

The main reason for finding Marissa wolfy is the CC on Leafia, correct?

@Whysper

From what I read, Marshal went after Leafia specifically. I think along with GGhana? And then they made Leafia claim. But how did Marshal know to go after Leafia in the first place?

@Whysper

Why aren’t we just voting Marshal? I thought she CC’d and open wolfed?

@Whysper

/vote Marshal @thepigeonnyc

i mean i do see somewhat of a logical progression leading up to her vote here, at least for someone who replaced in when marshal was already being hard pushed, but she didn’t actually say anything about GGhana or Emilia who also cc’d Leafia (and GGhana also pushed Leafia). Slightly concerning that Whysper singled out Marshal but I guess she was a more relevant wagon, and she also towncored GGhana from what i saw, so either way it would indicate that GGhana is very likely town imo.

@Whysper

I saw the post quoted where she open-wolfed after hammering though.

she mentioned seeing that marshal had openwolfed before she hammered, but here she says she saw it after she hammered
bleh, inconsistency

@Whysper

Okay, I know my timing looked terrible at the EoD, but first, I didn’t realize EoD was that soon. I was coming to check on the site and saw that I was pinged and started looking. Then I saw everyone telling me to hurry and vote. From what I’d seen earlier in the day when I replaced in, Marshal was like the consensus wagon because of the Leafia cc thing. So that’s why I was surprised there was a tie vote instead of just Marshal. I didn’t have time to check on anything about the reasons so quickly voted for Marshal since everyone was saying to hurry and vote.

@Whysper

Again, I know my appearance and voting looked bad at EoD, but I’ll explain again. It was mid-D2 when I subbed in and from what I read, Marshal was the clear vote for the day. Then when I finally got a chance to return to the site during my evening, I saw that I was pinged and quickly looked at the thread. I hadn’t realized that EoD was so early. I was getting told to quickly vote, so I didn’t have much chance to read up on the latest stuff happening. I just knew that the case on Marshal seemed pretty clear earlier, so I voted for her.

So yeah, maybe I should have just not voted at all. And I know I’m going to look even worse if Night flips wolf. I won’t blame people for thinking I was just a wolf trying to save a partner.

this part is plausible but the thing with the openwolfing post and whether or not whysper saw it in time is weird

i’d like to know why she looked into marshal’s slot enough to be aware that marshal had openwolfed, but not enough to see the post, and didn’t look into night’s slot despite that she was a counterwagon to marshal (at least as i understand).

@Whysper

@Arctic

so do you think night is flipping wolf?

Earlier in D2 I liked some of the evaluation I saw her giving of Marshal. So I put her as a slight TL.

But today I saw that she was trying to push me and someone else for being on her wagon. That just seems so strange from her perspective. I mean, the reason people think my EoD looked wolfy was that it looks like me jumping in there to save a partner. But from a T!Night perspective, she should know that’s not true. So then it makes me think she could be wolf trying to get another ML before she’s taken out.

does w!whysper write this post if she’s partnered with night? is it a distancing attempt? because whysper wasn’t on night the day before but i guess she is now, which is interesting. not necessarily wolfy, since logically anyone could be on night’s wagon today because of the marshal flip, but it’s also completely NAI and night would be a valid bus for wolves to make at this point.

if night flips T then i’m not sure what this post accomplishes tbh

@Whysper

Since you mention PKR, I saw some recent posts where he was pushing on my slot. I think it was mostly going off stuff from the previous slot owner. And probably also my EoD. I could see where he might be working with Night to get me ML’d before her.

this post is… interesting? i guess it’s the first time she has mentioned PKR and it was only after i threw him into the poe after i had ISO’d emilia

@Whysper

@Arctic

really? i looked at it and there’s no apology and nothing that actually looked villagery

Oh hmmm, I thought I remembered an apology. I guess I got the sense of that for some reason.

However, I do think his arguments about Marshal being someone that can seem obvious V as wolf is valid. I actually think that if I had come back to the thread earlier and read the arguments against executing Marshal that I might still have felt that Marshal was fooling us and probably would have voted the same way.

@Whysper

Maybe it’s because I agree with the argument. I might also be going off the earlier posts I’ve seen from Eli where in general I connect with his arguments and way of thinking.

@Whysper

Though Eli was talking with GGhana at the time, and they had somewhat heated discussions earlier, so I guess I could see Eli just feeling the tension and responding that way.

i’m not sure what to think of her handling on the Eli slot right now tbh
i guess she can be poe but i’m not very certain of this and i’d rather yeet night before whysper
if night flips w then definitely look at whysper tomorrow

uh i guess that was it lol
there’s nothing really clearing for either of them, only that one post from whysper about night that i think kind of accomplishes nothing if whysper is wolf and night is town
but it accomplishes distancing if they are w/w and it can also simply exist in any world where whysper is town

[GGhana]

kill until dead:

pkr
Whysper
night

do what you want idrc:

wind
arctic
min (would rather you didnt kill this slot but I could easily be wrong on it)

[WindwardAway]

@WindwardAway

only that one post from whysper about night that i think kind of accomplishes nothing if whysper is wolf and night is town
but it accomplishes distancing if they are w/w and it can also simply exist in any world where whysper is town

addendum - basically i’m saying i don’t think wolf!whysper posts that if night is town
so just taking that out of my worldbuilding. everything else is plausible.

[GGhana]

I think sam’s ISO feels like a noob wolf trying to force content out

[WindwardAway]

i could buy that take honestly
the posts didn’t accomplish really anything

[WindwardAway]

any particular reason i’m not in your immediate poe? or is it just because you want PKR/Whysper/Night out first?

[GGhana]

basically yes

[GGhana]

W

@GGhana

do what you want idrc:

wind
arctic
min (would rather you didnt kill this slot but I could easily be wrong on it)

also I forgot

nuclear should be on this list too

[GGhana]

there’s a decent chance that I’m just being a pepega and the wolf team is (Min/nuclear)/pkr/whysper/night

but if I’m not I do think your slot should be looked over

[GGhana]

the more I think about it the more wind’s point about there being no consensus townreads concerns me

the closest I can see is me and Eli and even then it isn’t unanimous

[Arctic]

@WindwardAway

uh i guess that was it lol
there’s nothing really clearing for either of them, only that one post from whysper about night that i think kind of accomplishes nothing if whysper is wolf and night is town
but it accomplishes distancing if they are w/w and it can also simply exist in any world where whysper is town

okay but
gth do you think she is a villager or a wolf

[Arctic]

i think this solves the game 90% of the time

[WindwardAway]

brain says wolf, gut says town
either one makes me want to shoot myself for having such an inconclusive read on her tbh
i wouldn’t stop a yeet on her after seeing Sam’s and her ISOs though

[WindwardAway]

@GGhana

the more I think about it the more wind’s point about there being no consensus townreads concerns me

the closest I can see is me and Eli and even then it isn’t unanimous

what do you personally find concerning about it?

[Arctic]

the thing is idk if i can see there being 2 wolves in min/pkr/nuclear
1 seems more realistic

[GGhana]

well games are usually won by PoEing scum

and it’s harder to do that if anyone can be pushed

it’s why I shut down the “min/Ghana wolf shit” because it feels like an easy bait to throw shade on one of the few consensus town slots

[WindwardAway]

@GGhana

there’s a decent chance that I’m just being a pepega and the wolf team is (Min/nuclear)/pkr/whysper/night

but if I’m not I do think your slot should be looked over

@Arctic

i think this solves the game 90% of the time

according to my current thinking this is totally fine, but if it solves the game 90% of the time then why isn’t the game already solved?