Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win!

[Esquiddy]

Flip V means?

[Marshal]

die, and be town

aka having their rolecard “flipped” up to show what their alignment was

[Esquiddy]

And what does TR mean?

[Marshal]

townread

reading someone as town

[Esquiddy]

(sorry I’m too lazy to look this up)

[Esquiddy]

Thank you. Honestly, I wanna TR Alice

[Esquiddy]

Lol Appelsiinis been typing for a while

[sulit]

Accused	Voted by	Votes
Whysper	Luxy, Alice	2/7
Surge	PKR	1/7
PKR	SirDerpsAlot	1/7
Insanity	Marshal	1/7
Troch	Surge	1/7
Alice	Whysper	1/7
Not voting	an_gorta_pratai, Esquiddy, Trochilidae, Appelsiini, Insanity	5

lmk if i missed anytihng

[Alice]

…what the hell is up with these wagons?

[SirDerpsAlot]

Yes

[Esquiddy]

Oof I haven’t voted yet but I literally not a single reasonable scum read

[SirDerpsAlot]

/vote insanity

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Esquiddy

reasonable

You have some unreasonable ones?

[Esquiddy]

Whysper but I can’t back it up

[Appelsiini]

Reactions to Mole claiming HS

Apart from Jane, these were all I could find.

Alice

@Alice

If you’re either a wolf or the HS then just hardclaim it already as you’re probably never living past n1.

@Alice

Shrug

I’m pretty sure Mole’s just a wolf here using the HS HC as a last-ditch attempt to survive. At least he gave the actual HS a target instead of letting them just hero shoot.

Alice was one of the main people pushing Mole, so I wouldn’t expect her to say anything else here. I had the exact same thought, so I’d argue that makes her look a bit more villagery. The wording of the first post gives me bad vibes though, “If you’re either a wolf.” Bleh. Tonally the second post looks pretty fine, overall I like this reaction.

Insanity

@Insanity

I just didn’t really know what to post about in this thread without feeling really awkward.

And apparently Moleland hardclaim honor student, hm.

@Insanity

He is either the real HS or are just scum who are trying to live for another night/and or bait out HS.

“Hm.” The other post is basically parroting what Alice implied in her first post. This looks performative, as they seem to be deliberately avoiding giving their own opinion on the matter and concealing it with IIoA.

Gorta

@an_gorta_pratai

/unvote

Gorta quietly unvoting, don’t like it. @an_gorta_pratai what were your thoughts when Mole HC’d as HS?

Eli/others

Gorta/Eli

@EliThePsycho

gorta for everybody else’s reasons

The one and only thing Eli said about Gorta, when responding to Derps’ question about top 3 players who are hard to read.

@an_gorta_pratai

I uh also don’t like Eli and Mole so far

This was at around ~200 posts into the game.

@an_gorta_pratai

@EliThePsycho

seth because he’s literally always anti-alignment, even as uninformed.

uhh

gorta for everybody else’s reasons

and the 3rd one idk

This post feels kind of performative in my opinion. I just don’t like it

@an_gorta_pratai

@EliThePsycho

he wanted 3 people

unfortunently, if what you’re saying is i have a lot more,
that means: it would make it hard to filter through the people who are hardest.

This response does look slightly better, as it seems genuine, but the wording in some of his other posts just kind of seem off. It’s probably me though

@an_gorta_pratai

@EliThePsycho

hmm

read time
uh
marshal = townlean because haha bomb list go brrr
uhh
i… did not think about anything else

These kinds of posts feel off to me, but It’s probably just me here.
Conclusion
This is someone that will go in my PoE, but I don’t think they should be todays lynch

I hated this post then, and I still hate it even now. The whole read on him is pure hedge, which I called them out on at the time, and looks like a post made in order to put him in the PoE without actually having to scumread him; there was no other conclusion than “They belong in PoE, but wouldn’t cuddle today.” They don’t question or interact with him afterwards, despite getting put off by his posts.

@an_gorta_pratai

This opener is just bad in my opinion. I can’t pinpoint it either, but it’s just bad

@Whysper

Yes, I agree with this. Even though I got here after the bomb already exploded, I plan to just speak normally throughout. I’m just one of the regular students and will try to help the best I can for others to continue forward.

I hate the wording of this post. I won’t quite say it’s LAMIST, but it’s probably a personal thing.

Something to note is that there is also hedge in Whysper’s ISO, but imo it’s a lot less inconfident and has a conclusion at the very least, even though it isn’t very clear either.

@an_gorta_pratai

This is why I scum read Whysper of Eli.

…Why is this the next thing I see? I’m gonna focus on Gorta/Whysper later. If Gorta is scum, I’m quite sure they’re TMIng Whysper as town here.

@ChopChop

I think you might be scum buddies with Eli.
Prove me wrong.

@an_gorta_pratai

What? I would be the leading force behind the Eli execution if I was

…No, you wouldn’t. You haven’t interacted or talked about him since the posts I quoted.

@an_gorta_pratai

I do think Eli has a chance to flip wolf, but I want Whysper to improve big time or die /vote Eli

Welcome to the bottom of my readlist, Gorta. I don’t even know what I was thinking yesterday. Needless to say, I very much dislike the way this switch happened.

Whysper/Eli

Whysper doesn’t have a lot of posts which mention him, there were no interactions at all.

@Whysper

-T-
Whysper
Appelsini
Trochilidae
Alice
Marshal

SirDerpsAlot
Surge
Insanity
Wazza
EliThePsycho
An_gorta_pratai
Moleland

Esquiddy
Jane
Luxy
PokemonKidRyan
-S-

Putting him in the nullzone.

@Whysper

I didn’t think he was really defending Eli. Just indecisive on where to put his vote. But I’ll look a little closer at Gorta later.

Whysper defending Gorta is interesting. Fits with her open-minded attitude, and there could be conclusions made from that but as said, will look at Whysper/Gorta later.

@Whysper

I actually did not see enough to believe he was a wolf at the time. I was not confident in voting him. Things happened so quickly.

Whichever I did, vote or not, you would be spinning this as it making me look wolfish. If I was wolf, I think it would be more likely for me to vote him to seem like I was against him.

Alright, so there are two worlds here.

1. W!Whysper going full-defensive and trying to put the focus on Alice’s pushing instead of her actions.
2. T!Whysper being indecisive and frustrated at Alice.

I can see both of them, but I believe more in the latter one. I need to go to eat aaaaa

God I’m so slow I was supposed to look at Insanity/Eli and Insanity/Whysper/Gorta in general but I have to go to eat
Anyway

/vote an_gorta_pratai @DatBird
Read the thing, I’m suggesting we cuddle Gorta. @Marshal @Whysper @Alice @Trochilidae @SirDerpsAlot @Esquiddy

[SirDerpsAlot]

Any others

[SirDerpsAlot]

No

Lol

[Marshal]

i’m dissapointed

also i’m not, like, convinced at all by what you said
the interactions are like maybe slightly w/w only for eli avoiding gorta but I think tonally he’s likely villa

[Appelsiini]

What do you mean he’s likely villa

[an_gorta_pratai]

@PokemonKidRyan

This was not from reads. This was actually me saying who would be the hardest to read.

Why isn’t Alice in there? Why isn’t Marshal in there? Why does it avoid picking a fight with the stronger players?

@Luxy

Gonna make a hard call and say there is probably one scum between Alice and Whysper tbh and I do really think its whysper if there is.

In that case it’s Alice I think

@Marshal

unless he was fed the idea to make wagons look w/w by not self-pressing (when vig was going to shoot counterwagon anyways supposedly) and going mega antispew

I would like to point out that Alice did try coaching her scummates in the pre-rerand

@Luxy

Guys I just had a realization: I do not think Whysper, nor Insanity, nor gorta are cunning enough to not set a bomb

That offends me, as a wolf I am a master strategist and can often improvise.

@Marshal

would w!alice fake a post saying it’s theoretically better for wolves to use the bomb just to get towncred later for faking the post to make it look like she wanted wolves to not use the bomb?

Yes, I won’t clear her on that

@Luxy

Marshal defused half of my points on you, yet you think him and Alice are the team and are trying to ML you. Why would he do that day 1?

I don’t think Luxy is a wolf, but there probably is one wolf among Alice/Marshal

@Luxy

So you’re saying because he is good he’d defend you, lynch his teammate and then decide to go after the player he defended yesterday.

I mean ToS2 exists. We would vote each other, push each other, and try to make it look like we wanted each other dead. He can pull it off

@Marshal

I might bonk PKR if I dunno where else to go but I don’t think there rlly is a case against him besides PoE

I made a slight case on PKR

@Alice

Read SFoL63. It’s far more stilted than the tone here.

I will take a look at it

@PokemonKidRyan

I would do a short one and fake it, but I will just be fully honest, no, I did not.
I wanted to see whether I would be targeted due to my statement and do it, but it did not turn out that way.
To me, I think that scum perceives me as not a threat.

I make ISOs/reads and they are often times accurate, but the wolves don’t perceive me as a threat, so I don’t think that post makes much sense

@PokemonKidRyan

There is a difference between Seth doing nothing and Seth doing it in a way to avoid suspicion. I feel like this is a cautious version of Seth from insurgency again. A bit complacent, almost cocky. But I have tried to be more understanding because if it is town Seth, I want us to see each other correctly for once.

Seth was town based on tone d1, but I can take a second look at Seth