Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win!

[Luxy]

Whysper’s ISO:

@Whysper

Yes, I agree with this. Even though I got here after the bomb already exploded, I plan to just speak normally throughout. I’m just one of the regular students and will try to help the best I can for others to continue forward.

Really performative opening stating about how she is town and is going to help town.

@Whysper

@Alice

Esquiddy’s curiousity towards Derps kind of looks like it comes from someone who has no idea what Derps’ alignment would be. Wouldn’t lynch there today.

I’m not sure that I’d read it that way. Could also be an attempt to question why Derps would be out of the PoE. I’d say NAI.

Throwing doubt on townreads

@Whysper

@Alice

But why Derps in specific? Newbwolves don’t really care much about who gets ML’d.

Oh, I was actually wondering how new he is. He acted like a newbie in some regards, but he also talks about analyzing people as towny and scummy, so I don’t get the impression he’s completely new to the general game. Also, he voted for Derps pretty early on in his 4th post. That’s interesting. He gave no reasoning (which I think I will ask after this).

Also, Derps seems to be on a few lists for hard-to-read. So I think he might easily be put in the PoE.

Rather than trying to read Esquiddy, she just discusses whether he is a new player or not, which is a way to look like she’s doing something rather than reading someone.

@Whysper

@Esquiddy

/vote SirDerpsAlot

Could you explain this vote on Derps?

More performative questioning.

@Whysper

@Insanity

I mean someone could be coaching him/her rn about who is the common ML target, so there is that.

Oh this is a good point too. Newb wolves still have partners.

She kinda just implicitly makes a decision that Esquiddy would be a good lynch, but also is trying to make it look like she wasn’t the person who started the push on him. If Esquiddy isn’t a wolf this is an awful look for her.

@Whysper

@Esquiddy

Honestly, the only scum read I have is Derps bc he always seems suspicious

This makes me think Esquiddy isn’t very new. How can he say that Derps is always suspicious?

Ditto

@Whysper

In particular, I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice

Why are we looking for deepwolves this early on?

@Whysper

Yes, I currently still have Marshal and Alice as probably town, but I don’t want to be complacent about that. There’s still the chance for a deep wolf.

Doubt on the towncore, doubt on the towncore

@Whysper

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Whysper
Appelsini
Trochilidae
Alice
Marshal

SirDerpsAlot
Surge
Insanity
Wazza
EliThePsycho
An_gorta_pratai
Moleland

Esquiddy
Jane
Luxy
PokemonKidRyan
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Don’t really know how Jane and I are lower on her reads than Esquiddy despite Esquiddy taking up like 50% of her ISO. She seems hyper-fixated on a new player and I would say if Whysper is a wolf, esquiddy was her mislynch target. She hasn’t even mentioned myself, Jane or PKR at all in her ISO before this.

@Whysper

Sure.

Esquiddy - I originally had him a SL for his vote on Derps. There’s since been an explanation, so I’ve moved him up to null. He’ll possibly go into TL, but haven’t seen enough yet.

Jane - Null at this point. I felt it was weird how she was pushing on Wazza for not doing much, when she hadn’t done much either. I don’t know whether to read this as a push on LHF or just her style.

Luxy - Null for hardly any posts yet.

PokemonKidRyan - Null to possibly SL for the weird discussion on the word “wolf” that he claims was RT. Something just seems off, so possibly SL.

Now apparently she’s changed her mind. According to her, she has no wolfleans at all, just ‘nulls.’ I have a feeling she’s scared to hard accuse anyone because she worried at how it will look if and when they flip town.

@Whysper

I still put them in my TR for now. For Alice, this is primarily based on how involved she seems and her asking questions. Though I think I might go take a closer look.

For Marshal, generally his involvement also. But I also particularly liked how when someone gave him town cred for posting the safe word list, he pointed out that a wolf could easily do a list as well and so that shouldn’t be AI.

I really do hate how she makes the townreads but then puts doubt on them herself. She’s either highly inconfident in her reading abilities or she’s out of her depth with what to do as a wolf and instead just floating trying to seem like your good old, paranoid townie.

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Anyway, I do think Whysper has a reasonably high wolf equity, hinging on the fact she is a newer player and therefore, would feel slightly inconfident like she did in Wild West which I picked up upon there. She tries to throw doubt onto as many townreads as she can, and her explanation does just not make much sense given how Wild West went. It wasn’t the townreads that were the problem, it was the scumreads and lack of townies clearing themselves. It honestly feels to me Whysper is acting upon a stage at this point, doing things she knows are townies without much conviction and being very unsure about what to do. Overall, this slot is probably a good lynch today.

[Luxy]

Tone

[Luxy]

Eli has just been fluffing all game, Moleland’s wallpost is a decent look for him at this point, Jane seems tonally fine for now

[Luxy]

I can’t see gorta flipping scum at all at this point

[Marshal]

Summary

tbh some of luxy’s pushes feel like they are in bad faith

[Trochilidae]

well i don’t suppose i can argue with that. it’s something i’m hoping to get better at eventually tbh
anyways, i’d like to hear more from whysper herself, i had generally townleaned her earlier because i’d liked how eager she was to not repeat WW mistakes

[Luxy]

Which ones?

[Marshal]

@Luxy

Wazza’s reads don’t really make sense to me, from my perspective, I know I am town and I believe Insanity is town too, yet Wazza only has 2 other scumreads so he can never fully correct FMPoV, which suggests to me he’s pushed one of his scumbuddies into his townleans/reads (Probably Whysper).

I’d say Wazza’s narrow outlook on scumreads would be used to mislynch a couple of us and then ‘re-eval’ allowing him to backtrack on earlier townreads later in the game to continue to mislynch.

luxy

you are saying wazza is wolf for having 4 scumreads, 2 of which you think are town

this is
such bad reasoning

Villagers can have wrong reads, this “he can re-eval later” stuff is so tinfoily.

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@Whysper

@Esquiddy

/vote SirDerpsAlot
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Could you explain this vote on Derps?

More performative questioning.

shit like this. “More performative questioning”

how the fuck is that performative. What’s the performance. She just asked if esquid could explain derps vote.

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@Whysper

@Insanity

I mean someone could be coaching him/her rn about who is the common ML target, so there is that.
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Oh this is a good point too. Newb wolves still have partners.

She kinda just implicitly makes a decision that Esquiddy would be a good lynch, but also is trying to make it look like she wasn’t the person who started the push on him. If Esquiddy isn’t a wolf this is an awful look for her.

the fuck is this??? “She kind of implicitly makes a decision Esquiddy would be a good lynch”. How did you infer that???

@Luxy

@Whysper

In particular, I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice

Why are we looking for deepwolves this early on?

@Whysper

Yes, I currently still have Marshal and Alice as probably town, but I don’t want to be complacent about that. There’s still the chance for a deep wolf.

Doubt on the towncore, doubt on the towncore

why is this wolf AI, why is this wolf AI

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man I could nitpick this more but these posts are so godawful and i’m tempted to outright snapvote you.

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after you read over what i’ve said, can you elaborate on this more

@Luxy

Moleland’s wallpost is a decent look for him at this point,

[Luxy]

@Marshal

luxy

you are saying wazza is wolf for having 4 scumreads, 2 of which you think are town

this is
such bad reasoning

It really isn’t. This is how I caught Mercenary in Mafia Academy - His reads can never be correct from my perspective so he’s either wrong or lying.

@Marshal

shit like this. “More performative questioning”

how the fuck is that performative. What’s the performance. She just asked if esquid could explain derps vote.

Question is useless and doesn’t advance the gamestate on what seems like a meme vote.

@Marshal

the fuck is this??? “She kind of implicitly makes a decision Esquiddy would be a good lynch”. How did you infer that???

Half of her ISO is talking about whether esquiddy is ‘actually’ new or not, which is not only throwing shade but also indicating that he’d be a good lynch in her mind. But she’s skirting the blame by not actually hard accusing, as well as trying to guide people towards the idea that he may be not letting on to how experienced he is.

@Marshal

why is this wolf AI, why is this wolf AI

Do I really need to answer this question? The box the wolves’ worst nightmare

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I didn’t see anything I disagreed with in Moleland’s post and it was tonally fine

[Luxy]

@Marshal

man I could nitpick this more but these posts are so godawful

They’re actually completely valid idk what you’re smoking man

[Luxy]

Like the only non-valid thing I could’ve posted is the tinfoil about Wazza which I agree is reachy, but it fits with my current thoughts on who the scumteam is at this point.

[Marshal]

@Luxy

His reads can never be correct from my perspective so he’s either wrong or lying.

and the “wrong” is like, something that very veeeery commonly comes from town.
You legitimately are telling me that wazza is a likely wolf for his bottom 4 reads in a d1 readslist not being 100% perfect from your PoV.

???

[Marshal]

wolves push town

im town

dybu dabu

[Luxy]

Marshal that is a complete misrepresentation of what I’ve said.

‘Not 100% perfect’

No they’re at least 50% incorrect and I know he’s wrong on myself. It’s not like he’s close or anything at all.

The reads don’t make sense if he is town and wrong, and he is probably a wolf if Whysper is.

[Marshal]

@Luxy

The reads don’t make sense if he is town and wrong

why not

why can’t he be town and wrong

[Luxy]

I expect townies to be on a similar wavelength to myself and he is just… not

I can understand people nulling me because I didn’t post much at yesterday as I was fucked up but I disagree with more than just the read on myself

[Luxy]

I don’t like these absolutes Marshal

He’s like 70% scum/30% town to me at this point

[Luxy]

This is a game of probability and I am saying it makes him more likely to be a wolf

[Marshal]

ok

then let me use the exact phrasing you used so you can’t question-dodge

Why don’t the reads make sense if he is town and wrong

[Luxy]

Hence I don’t want to lynch him yet? He’s just a candidate, Whysper is my more sure read at this point.