Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win!

[Marshal]

luxy can you do me a favor and read whysper’s ISO in SFoL 63.

She was town and i’ll link to her first post for ease as ISO is more difficult with 10,000+ posts.

Forum of Lies

skim is fine but I want your thoughts

[Luxy]

You’re really trying to make me do meta

[Marshal]

yes Luxy, I am

I think it’s relevant and I think that a lot of my thoughts are easier voiced with that context

[Trochilidae]

popping in to say that whysper in general has an odd tone and they way they go about things is sometimes odd as well. it’s why i’m so hesistant to try and read them because sometimes they’re just like that
also though, whysper is still fairly new so while mets might not be entirely accurate, it can indeed provide context

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Luxy

In all seriousness I did look back and did realise I exaggerated but that was because I hated everything she posted content and tone-wise as seen in the large ISO of her I did, not just the stuff about Esquiddy. I don’t know why but in my head I remembered a lot more than what she actually did just because of the amount of things I disliked about her posts, made me overconflate it.

Is this backtracking

[Luxy]

Yes I admitted I was wrong

[SirDerpsAlot]

Lockscum town never admit their wrong

[Luxy]

Fuck

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Marshal

We got em

[SirDerpsAlot]

Also upon usage of brain

The pushes are gross

But also

Do scum make them

Probably not?

/Vote mole

[Luxy]

So what you’re saying is she just has a really awkward tone all the time?

Counterpoint is that was her first game ever right and did you see how she played in Wild West?

She seemed out of her depth at the start of Wild West, whereas in SFoL 63 she still got right into attempting to sort people’s alignments whereas here, shes spent her time throwing doubt on townreads and not really sorting alignments at all

[Luxy]

Again from the quickest skim ever of FoL 30 she basically got right into sorting players which she hasn’t done here

[Marshal]

@Luxy

So what you’re saying is she just has a really awkward tone all the time?

yeah basically

now I ask you

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@Luxy

@Whysper

Yes, I agree with this. Even though I got here after the bomb already exploded, I plan to just speak normally throughout. I’m just one of the regular students and will try to help the best I can for others to continue forward.

Really performative opening stating about how she is town and is going to help town.

@Luxy

@Whysper

I’m not sure that I’d read it that way. Could also be an attempt to question why Derps would be out of the PoE. I’d say NAI.

Throwing doubt on townreads

@Luxy

@Whysper

talks about analyzing people as towny and scummy, so I don’t get the impression he’s completely new to the general game. Also, he voted for Derps pretty early on in his 4th post. That’s interesting. He gave no reasoning (which I think I will ask after this).

Also, Derps seems to be on a few lists for hard-to-read. So I think he might easily be put in the PoE.

Rather than trying to read Esquiddy, she just discusses whether he is a new player or not, which is a way to look like she’s doing something rather than reading someone.

@Luxy

@Whysper

Could you explain this vote on Derps?

More performative questioning.

@Luxy

@Whysper

Oh this is a good point too. Newb wolves still have partners.

She kinda just implicitly makes a decision that Esquiddy would be a good lynch, but also is trying to make it look like she wasn’t the person who started the push on him. If Esquiddy isn’t a wolf this is an awful look for her.

@Luxy

@Whysper

In particular, I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice

Why are we looking for deepwolves this early on?

@Whysper

Yes, I currently still have Marshal and Alice as probably town, but I don’t want to be complacent about that. There’s still the chance for a deep wolf.

Doubt on the towncore, doubt on the towncore

@Luxy

@Whysper

-T-

Whysper
Appelsini
Trochilidae
Alice
Marshal

SirDerpsAlot
Surge
Insanity
Wazza
EliThePsycho
An_gorta_pratai
Moleland

Esquiddy
Jane
Luxy
PokemonKidRyan
-S-

Don’t really know how Jane and I are lower on her reads than Esquiddy despite Esquiddy taking up like 50% of her ISO. She seems hyper-fixated on a new player and I would say if Whysper is a wolf, esquiddy was her mislynch target. She hasn’t even mentioned myself, Jane or PKR at all in her ISO before this.

@Luxy

@Whysper

Sure.

Esquiddy - I originally had him a SL for his vote on Derps. There’s since been an explanation, so I’ve moved him up to null. He’ll possibly go into TL, but haven’t seen enough yet.

Jane - Null at this point. I felt it was weird how she was pushing on Wazza for not doing much, when she hadn’t done much either. I don’t know whether to read this as a push on LHF or just her style.

Luxy - Null for hardly any posts yet.

PokemonKidRyan - Null to possibly SL for the weird discussion on the word “wolf” that he claims was RT. Something just seems off, so possibly SL.

Now apparently she’s changed her mind. According to her, she has no wolfleans at all, just ‘nulls.’ I have a feeling she’s scared to hard accuse anyone because she worried at how it will look if and when they flip town.

@Luxy

@Whysper

I still put them in my TR for now. For Alice, this is primarily based on how involved she seems and her asking questions. Though I think I might go take a closer look.

For Marshal, generally his involvement also. But I also particularly liked how when someone gave him town cred for posting the safe word list, he pointed out that a wolf could easily do a list as well and so that shouldn’t be AI.

I really do hate how she makes the townreads but then puts doubt on them herself. She’s either highly inconfident in her reading abilities or she’s out of her depth with what to do as a wolf and instead just floating trying to seem like your good old, paranoid townie.

how many of these do you think still apply?

[Luxy]

@Luxy

@Whysper

I’m not sure that I’d read it that way. Could also be an attempt to question why Derps would be out of the PoE. I’d say NAI.

Throwing doubt on townreads

@Luxy

@Whysper

Oh this is a good point too. Newb wolves still have partners.

She kinda just implicitly makes a decision that Esquiddy would be a good lynch, but also is trying to make it look like she wasn’t the person who started the push on him. If Esquiddy isn’t a wolf this is an awful look for her.

@Luxy

@Whysper

In particular, I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice

Why are we looking for deepwolves this early on?

@Whysper

Yes, I currently still have Marshal and Alice as probably town, but I don’t want to be complacent about that. There’s still the chance for a deep wolf.

Doubt on the towncore, doubt on the towncore

Meh these three are still valid I guess she always feels performative

God coming back to this is so frustrating it seems like all the typically scummy things are now things people just do as town like wtf.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Luxy

God coming back to this is so frustrating it seems like all the typically scummy things are now things people just do as town like wtf.

Always has been

[Marshal]

ehhhh

I don’t like luxy still
I think the pushes are in bad faith but he did something similar (ish) to leafia so i’m not gonna haaarrrrd tunnel this

/unvote

(and for the record, my read on whysper is still null. my intent was not to change luxy’s read but rather drill into it’s logic)

[Luxy]

@Marshal I still think her reason for doubting townreads is bad/a lie but I’m willing to hold off and see more from her

[SirDerpsAlot]

I don’t think the pushes are good

But like

I don’t think a wolf makes them here?

[Luxy]

I maintain that my Leafia read was good

[Marshal]

Without whysper meta and maybe reading her posts on esquid more closely than others I could see it.

I still think his “wazza disagrees with me is >rand wolf” is total BS so he’s still a scumlean

but i’ll wait for other thread opinions